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Is LESS more, or is MORE more?

The application to PE:
Well could it be that we are all so anxious to gain as fast as possible that we wouldn’t consider a 1don - 2-3d off training in fear of loosing out?

If the collagen synthesis chart in that report is right, exercising on day 2 and 3 after “stimulus day” 1 would be a waste of time and actually delaying new collagen formation as it would possibly restart the degradation cycle ?

Originally Posted by BigSchlongCH
The application to PE:
Well could it be that we are all so anxious to gain as fast as possible that we wouldn’t consider a 1don - 2-3d off training in fear of loosing out?

If the collagen synthesis chart in that report is right, exercising on day 2 and 3 after “stimulus day” 1 would be a waste of time and actually delaying new collagen formation as it would possibly restart the degradation cycle ?


Yup, there are some guys who follow this approach and gained. Xenolith for example is a big proponent of this.
It obviously has a lot of truth to it.

Then again many gain doing PE everyday or even all day everyday.

The question is if lets say you hang upwards one day and then downwards the next day(for example) that you have to different points going into this collagen formation.

I dont think that all cells are equally strained by for example hanging straight down.
It might just affect a small part of the collagen where the strain is the highest.

In light of this one might apply/follow the PI principle ‘s sparky “invented” to gauge when to pause and when to carry on.

*ARGH* so much parameters.

Originally Posted by BigSchlongCH
The application to PE:
Well could it be that we are all so anxious to gain as fast as possible that we wouldn’t consider a 1don - 2-3d off training in fear of loosing out?

If the collagen synthesis chart in that report is right, exercising on day 2 and 3 after “stimulus day” 1 would be a waste of time and actually delaying new collagen formation as it would possibly restart the degradation cycle ?


I still haven’t had time to read the article, but this firegoat - Loading, lengthening, healing. is interesting on collagen expression/formation.


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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Originally Posted by firegoat
Thanks sparky. I’ll give that a good read later. Have you read AnatomyTrails by James Earls? It’s good. IMAs are all about the fascia :)
I still do Iron Shirt exercises most days, but have adapted them to emphasise the massage of my internal organs. It’s a while since I did sets with a purely martial emphasis.

I would love to spend a few months picking your brain on IMA!

Originally Posted by sparkyx

I would love to spend a few months picking your brain on IMA!

If one of us wins the lotto, we should hire a beach house in Lankawi or a little island off Thailand and spend a few months training. That would be excellent - I need someone to train with because I’m getting out of practice :)


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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What martial art do you two practice? I imagine the IMA stands for Indonesian Martial Arts?

Originally Posted by rootsnatty

What martial art do you two practice? I imagine the IMA stands for Indonesian Martial Arts?

Let’s not go too far off topic :) But IMA is Internal Martial Arts. (Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Xingyiquan).


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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Originally Posted by firegoat
Let’s not go too far off topic :) But IMA is Internal Martial Arts. (Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Xingyiquan).

Interesting, never heard of them. Will they make my dick bigger??? ;)

Ok, I’m done derailing now.

The question remains, might it make sense to reduce training to 2x “stimulus” per week, with 48-72h of rest in between?

Has anybody ever tried something like this?

Originally Posted by BigSchlongCH
The question remains, might it make sense to reduce training to 2x “stimulus” per week, with 48-72h of rest in between?

Has anybody ever tried something like this?

If you are causing a HEAVY amount of trauma to your connective tissues, maybe. But that is probably much more rest then you would need with most regular PE protocols.

One thing that is very important to note about that article is that it is examining physical training and it’s effects on collagen synthesis. That is, high-magnitude cyclic stretching of connective tissue. Not what we practice in PE.

Originally Posted by BigSchlongCH
The question remains, might it make sense to reduce training to 2x “stimulus” per week, with 48-72h of rest in between?

Has anybody ever tried something like this?


Yes: xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale


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We are all different. For me if i take 2 days off my skin conditioning suffers and I can’t hang at normal weight. The more days off the worse it gets. To the point that I lose the days I didn’t hang plus the time it takes me to get back up to normal weight


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Originally Posted by bhcentral
We are all different. For me if i take 2 days off my skin conditioning suffers and I can’t hang at normal weight. The more days off the worse it gets. To the point that I lose the days I didn’t hang plus the time it takes me to get back up to normal weight

Yeah, skin conditioning is one of those practical reasons that it is tough to take rest days with traditional compression hanging methods.

I may have missed it, but in this whole ‘less is more/more is more’ discussion, has anyone ever made a link between the ‘sensitivity’ of the penis and the ideal PE regime (less/more)?

I consider my penis as a sensitive one, in the sense that I turtle up very easily due to cold, water, physical exercise,… On the other hand, I am also very easily stimulated and have to focus to avoid that I ejaculate too soon. This being said, I have also the impression that my penis is very easily overworked. Eg. When restarting PE after a decon break of several months, my BPEL immediately decreased with 0,5cm after just 2 weeks of 5 minutes light jelqing per day, on a 2 days on, 1 day off basis.

My instinct tells me this has nothing to do with ‘conditioning’ - During the past years, I have always taken care to start light and to build up slowly. I just have the impression that a less is more approach is the only way to go for a sensitive penis. To me, the whole discussion about less/more is more seems a bit pointless, since the results seem to be different for everyone. Could the conclusion possibly be that both can work, but that a more is more approach is simply less effective for a sensitive penis?

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