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Is LESS more, or is MORE more?

Originally Posted by Jay Flash
I’m coming up to my 4th month of doing PE and no gains or any PIs or EQs. Very despairing, not even a sign this is gonna extend my BPEL.

I do..

8 minutes Heat
15 minutes Stretches (though I only started doing stretches properly since about 4 weeks ago).
30 mins Jelqs
10 mins Heat
7 mins Kegels

I was told that maybe doing 30 mins of Jelqs may not be the best thing for me and I should do less perhaps. But I dunno! I’m only 4 months in and new to all this.

Not sure what you guys advise?

Have you had negative PI s?


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Well I’ve been told to shorten my jelq time so I dunno what to do here, people telling me opposing advice.

I’ve not had any negative PIs as far as I know. Sometimes when I measure myself hard I am 5.25, sometimes I am under, sometimes I am over. Today I seemed to be more regularly longer and also on one measurement in my hard state I was longer than before, but I may have pressed my tape measure down on my bone more than before without realising. As I did check that.

What does it tell you that I’ve not had any noticeable negative PIs?


July 2014 BPEL - 5 1/4" BPEG - 6 1/2" (Measured around base)

December 2015 BPEL - 5 3/4" BPEG - 6 1/2" (Measured around base)

Just wanted to follow up on my post from 10-13-2014, 10:29 AM

I have had a period of rather low-disclipine / frequency PE between October and December,
but the method that I had lined out there so far yielded no measurable results over the 3 months.

Late December to End of January, I did’nt have the time to do any PE.

I am restarting now with stretches and 3-4 hours of ADS per day.

For me PE is an experiment and an awesome way to get to know my body - esp. My penis - better. I like to challenge my limits in every part of my life, that has also taught me to notice when it is “enough” - like DON’T go over this line.

For PE that means: I was faithfully following the directions of my penis extender vendor wearing it at least 9h every day for the first 2 months. But as I’ve increased the variety to jelqing and also pumping (and I do that around 1,5h every day in addition to the extender) I often get only 5-6 hours of extender and not 9 - because just after pumping or manual workout I feel my penis needs some rest.

At the moment I’m working with water pumping - I like it much more than air pumping because it is “slower”, “firmer” and the result feels much better. I’m trying to figure out the perfect times for these pumping durations - like should I do 2 x 20 min at -5Hg with manual work after each session and a few hours extender in between, or should I go for shorter pumping periods but more often? I noticed the expansion in the tube gets very slow after about 10 min when I enter the tube erect.

My extender vendor also writes in the manual that I should add 0.5cm to the stretch length every 2 weeks after using the thing for 2 months (not like 0.5 every week as before). But I also do that “as I see fit” now. Extender, pumping and jelqing seems a great combo for me.

My BPEL has gone from around 15,4 cm before (at max erection, just before ejaculation) to at least 16 cm usually with bad erectile quality from the fatigue (so it is not even really hard), but that will come once my penis gets a holiday again. I’m at over 17,5 cm BPFSL measured from top (belly) and 18,5 cm BPFSL measured from the side (bone right to the genital). In the tube with water my penis expands to 17 cm and with air to about 17,5 cm. So all in all I’d say I’m gaining nicely considering that I’ve been doing this since December 2014.


(Re-)Started: 15.4 cm NBPEL / 11.7 cm EG (1st Dec. 2014), switched to BPFSL measurement 2015:

15th Jan 2015: 17.0cm BPFSL x 12.1cm EG; 25th Feb 2015: 18.5cm BPFSL x 12.5cm EG

Goal: 18.5 x 14.5 cm NBPEL

I would say that based on my experience I’m more of a less is more guy. The thought of a 5 days on 2 off schedule scares me as consecutive days always gave me EQ problems in the past. Right now 1 on 1 off seems to be working.

However, yesterday out of boredom I decided to do 2 days in a row jelq/stretch which I haven’t done since restarting PE in February. During the session I could barely keep enough erection to jelq and felt extremely fatigued like I was wasting my time. I also stretched last night more than I usually do.. And wow I actually woke up with morning wood (which is rare for me) and my penis looked extremely veiny and pumped! Maybe its time for to step up my routine?

Anyways, would you guys consider a 2 on 1 off 10 min jelq session, followed by 1 min stretches in each direction a less is more routine still? I always thought of less is more as either every other day, 3 times a week or even less. Thoughts

Originally Posted by dave223
I would say that based on my experience I’m more of a less is more guy. The thought of a 5 days on 2 off schedule scares me as consecutive days always gave me EQ problems in the past. Right now 1 on 1 off seems to be working.

However, yesterday out of boredom I decided to do 2 days in a row jelq/stretch which I haven’t done since restarting PE in February. During the session I could barely keep enough erection to jelq and felt extremely fatigued like I was wasting my time. I also stretched last night more than I usually do.. And wow I actually woke up with morning wood (which is rare for me) and my penis looked extremely veiny and pumped! Maybe its time for to step up my routine?

Anyways, would you guys consider a 2 on 1 off 10 min jelq session, followed by 1 min stretches in each direction a less is more routine still? I always thought of less is more as either every other day, 3 times a week or even less. Thoughts

Your body will vary and change over time in response to the exercises. The fact that you think you overdid it and had good morning wood is a good sign that yes, you do need to step up your routine a bit.


Starting stats: 7.5" BPEL x 6.2" MEG ---> Current stats: 8" BPEL x 6.7" MEG - Goal: 9x7 and beyond (going Diesel Big!) My Progress Thread/Log

Tracking progress with the iLogPE App

Originally Posted by Jay Flash
Well I’ve been told to shorten my jelq time so I dunno what to do here, people telling me opposing advice.

I’ve not had any negative PIs as far as I know. Sometimes when I measure myself hard I am 5.25, sometimes I am under, sometimes I am over. Today I seemed to be more regularly longer and also on one measurement in my hard state I was longer than before, but I may have pressed my tape measure down on my bone more than before without realising. As I did check that.

What does it tell you that I’ve not had any noticeable negative PIs?

How do you walk around with a penis extender? Just curious because I’ve been interested. But, I have walk to the train, then get off the train, walk to work. Does it get affected by walking? It seems like only something you can do sitting for long periods. Just curious.


Starting Size

March 2015 BPEL 7" NBPEL 6.0" EG 5"

Sept 2014 BPEL 7.5" NBPEL 6.5" EG 5.25"

I bought an extender from esl40 site, used it all day long, quite comfortable, you can walk, I even ran with it, bend, sit, drive, everything ok.


03/27/2015 BPEL 5.5" Current BPEL 6.8" Goal BPEL 8.5-9" EG 4.9" EG goal 6"

I'm targetting length for now. Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks!

It’s crazy how time and experience work: I’ve been PE’ing for a few years and have not been as consistent as I am now. Currently I am hanging/wearing an ADS for (2) 1 hour sessions with a 30-minute break in the middle. Afterwards I am pumping for (6) 20 minute sets.

The thing I have learned is early in my PE career I treated It like I do the gym; more is better. But in the gym, I suffered a few injuries that made me evaluate my approach. Fortunately I have not suffered any injuries from PE but I never remained consistent. I think it was due to the burnout effect and I would often increase weight and sets to the point it was more painful than enjoyable.

So now my approach is different and I feel like my exercises are working more because of this smarter approach. For the ADS, I’m only using 2.5lbs straight-out and only 5Hg for pumping. The ADS is more so a pre-stretch in preparation for my pumping session BUT I feel a slight fatigue in my ligs from this. My thought is because I am able to relax and my body is not subconsciously managing pain, thus allowing the sessions to be more beneficial. I often didn’t have any lig fatigued with weights as high as 22.5lbs.

The same holds true for pumping in that the expansion is crazy from the lower pressure. Similar to the ADS, it’s super comfortable and my post pump girth is almost 7” with no crazy donut as it was when I would dynamic pump up to 10Hg or when I did 30 minute sets.

My point in all this is to signify that less appears to be more in my case!!!

What Is Over Doing It?

I am curious if less is more as well, I haven’t fine tuned my workout enough to know exactly (only 3 months in) in the morning (around 11) I usually do a 10minute jelq and possibly followed by 10minute clamp.. Then I put on the extender for 3-4 hours, have a restroom break and recirculate blood to continue wearing to work for 4 more hours..

After that I am device free for maybe 2-4 hours and put it on for manual stretches while I drive home.

Then when I get home (around midnight) I go into the bathroom and open the PE drawer. Sometimes I do 10min. Jelq 10min. Clamp and then do manual stretches, however I use my penimaster pro glans chamber to get a better more comfortable hold for the manual stretches ;D

I have 0-2 days of rest a week..

So as all this was asking, does it seem my workout is alittle extensive? Or am I okay?


"You may only go as far as the tractor will take you. Then you must walk" -myself

For someone that been PEing for 3 months, looks early to do clamping. But only you can tell us if this is too much. Everytime we overboard the penis limits, usually EQ takes the hit first (erections not hard like before PE, erections lasting briefly). Extreme routines will result in pain first.

Consensus is that girth improvements requires few rest days and 0 to 2 doesn’t sound enough.

Same happens to know if you are LESS or MORE is MORE type of person, only you will able to tell that. Unfortunately, we don’t have a gadget that you put your penis inside, makes a “beep” and print a perfect routine for maximum gains efficiency … PE is trial and error.

Don’t be afraid to fail (no gains) … progress usually won’t be happening in the first try.


Start 6.8” x 4.7” (4.9" BEG)

Now 7.5” x 4.9” (5.1" BEG)

Regras do Fórum

I’ve always been intrigued by this discussion. Some great gainers on this thread claim to do minimal workout to enter the growth zone, followed by
Prolonged rest days resulting in full healing before the next session. That contradicts with some other great gainers, like bib and memento (I apologize
If my quoting is wrong), that claim to be important NOT to let the penis fully heal between sessions, as to keep in the growth zone for as long as possible
Without the heal/strengthen of the tissues, which would result in slower and harder gains in the future. It’s hard to know which one to follow.. I guess the best
Is to do the trial and error until you get to know how your body responds to a variety of routines, and find the one that suits your body.

I’d love to hear your input on this, Useless. And hey, greetings from Brasil! Tamo nessa luta junto, camarada, rumo a mamba gigante haha.

Indeed, we can find PE legends and big gainers at both sides: LESS and MORE is MORE.

On the long run (decades practicing), I believe MORE is MORE prevails. To be honest, hard to tell … there ain’t much PErs around and PE itself is quite fresh (at the level we can find here). We need more time and more “data” to reach anything conclusive (along with researches and articles on the penis exercises).


Start 6.8” x 4.7” (4.9" BEG)

Now 7.5” x 4.9” (5.1" BEG)

Regras do Fórum

Originally Posted by Useless
For someone that been PEing for 3 months, looks early to do clamping. But only you can tell us if this is too much. Everytime we overboard the penis limits, usually EQ takes the hit first (erections not hard like before PE, erections lasting briefly). Extreme routines will result in pain first.

Consensus is that girth improvements requires few rest days and 0 to 2 doesn’t sound enough.

Same happens to know if you are LESS or MORE is MORE type of person, only you will able to tell that. Unfortunately, we don’t have a gadget that you put your penis inside, makes a “beep” and print a perfect routine for maximum gains efficiency .. PE is trial and error.

Don’t be afraid to fail (no gains) .. Progress usually won’t be happening in the first try.

Okay so how long should I wait before clamping? I figured I would be in shape for it due to the bathmate 5x3 and 10x2 every other day or so since the beginning of February.

As far as EQ goes I didn’t do anything yesterday and I had immense erections all day long. One after the other, I only wish my wife was in the mood but we had a busy day haha. So if my EQ after just 1 day off is really good does that mean I should train harder or stay where I’m at? I’ve gained about .5” in the 3 months not sure yet if that is fast or slow gain


"You may only go as far as the tractor will take you. Then you must walk" -myself

Stay where you are.

Clamping after 6 months is recommended. It’s too early now.

As for less is more etc. I think anyone should try both and see what works best.

I strongly believe it is the same thing as working out. For me less is more. For example when I workout one day, I have to take the next one or two off, Otherwise my performance drops and I am feeling beat. After almost a year and a half on PE, I noticed that same goes for my penis.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

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