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Also, lower forces will not cause plastic deformation, but they can cause enough deformation of the fibroblasts in connective tissues for them to begin rapid collagen synthesis. At first this will be a made up of a great deal of type III collagen and fibronectin which are both more elastic than the more common type I collagen. This will eventually mostly be converted to type I collagen, however. You will have more extra cellular matrix though, so there will be a size increase not dependent on elasticity. This is why extenders work without ever pushing the penis into the “yield” range of the stress-strain curve where true plastic deformation mostly happens. This is also why maximizing time is important with lower forces.

Originally Posted by firegoat
I believe a slightly different mechanism is at work with the type of routine you are doing Longjohn. Your routine challenges the elasticity of the tissues, rather than the plasticity. If you are regularly encouraging the production of the elastic components of collagen, then logically your penis would eventually have too much elasticity and insufficient rigidity to perform its function. I believe once you reach or exceed this maximum level of elasticity, the tissue converts to a more stable form of collagen. Collagen is extraordinarily adaptive; in its various forms it constitutes a large amount of your bodies tissues.

So if I’m challenging the elasticity of my dick, how does a lighter routine of, for argument’s sake, 50 low erection jelqs and stretching to our usual BPFSL for 10 minutes challenge my penis? Or would that merely improve my EQ. I’m pretty sure no deformation would be taking place.

I think after this decon I’m gonna go for the less is more approach. I’m thinking jelqing 3 times a week, with a light ADS worn all day thrown in. Hopefully my dick will get the memo eventually.


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Originally Posted by rootsnatty
Also, lower forces will not cause plastic deformation, but they can cause enough deformation of the fibroblasts in connective tissues for them to begin rapid collagen synthesis. At first this will be a made up of a great deal of type III collagen and fibronectin which are both more elastic than the more common type I collagen. This will eventually mostly be converted to type I collagen, however. You will have more extra cellular matrix though, so there will be a size increase not dependent on elasticity. This is why extenders work without ever pushing the penis into the “yield” range of the stress-strain curve where true plastic deformation mostly happens. This is also why maximizing time is important with lower forces.

Duly noted :)


Goal 7 NBP X 5.5 MEG - the perfect penis size in my opinion.

Originally Posted by rootsnatty
Also, lower forces will not cause plastic deformation, but they can cause enough deformation of the fibroblasts in connective tissues for them to begin rapid collagen synthesis. At first this will be a made up of a great deal of type III collagen and fibronectin which are both more elastic than the more common type I collagen. This will eventually mostly be converted to type I collagen, however. You will have more extra cellular matrix though, so there will be a size increase not dependent on elasticity. This is why extenders work without ever pushing the penis into the “yield” range of the stress-strain curve where true plastic deformation mostly happens. This is also why maximizing time is important with lower forces.

Which makes me think that lower force might be everything below your erect and/or bpfsl length.(of course its also a individual thing)
I think this important for “rating” exercise to check am I above erect girth and/or length?

Also has your above explanation any indication about targeting or ensuring higher flaccid length/hang? Im thinking that a higher elastic range could give the possiblity of bigger flaccid hang..(?)

Btw. The more sets of clamping the better my EQ/morning erection next day

Originally Posted by Longjohn27
So if I’m challenging the elasticity of my dick, how does a lighter routine of, for argument’s sake, 50 low erection jelqs and stretching to our usual BPFSL for 10 minutes challenge my penis? Or would that merely improve my EQ. I’m pretty sure no deformation would be taking place.

I think after this decon I’m gonna go for the less is more approach. I’m thinking jelqing 3 times a week, with a light ADS worn all day thrown in. Hopefully my dick will get the memo eventually.


I went into a bit more detail back in 2008 with this thread: More thoughts on how growth occurs.
I wish I had time to read back over the thread and see if any of my ideas in it have changed through experience or from reading research broadly applicable to PE but I think I’d still go with most of what I said then, now.


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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Question on "Stimulus Rest" Intervals

I have been PEing for about 1.5 years now.
I have the slight feeling that I overdid it in the beginning, which led to turtling after most sessions, and to red spots after some.

Over that time, I have gained a little bit: about 1.3-1.5cm in NBPEL and about 1.5-2cm in BPFSL, and maybe 0.4cm in girth.
Current metrics: NBPEL: 6.28” BPFSL: 7.28, BPEL: 6.92

There were several multi-week periods over the course of the last 1.5 years where I haven’t been able to do a lot for job / time reasons.

With October 1, I have restarted the program, with the basic philosophy in mind that the body adapts to impulse stress.
If you put constant stress to the body, it wears out and breaks down, but if you apply “stimulative” impulse stress (with rest breaks in between), and then, repeat, it should adjust.

I wonder whether this also applies to collagen formation process.

So therefore, my proposed new routine would be for one day:
1) 7-9 hours Phallosan ADS at medium stretching force (all day)
2) in the evening, when coming home: 20 minutes jelquing, edging / “manual” clamping (with infraread lamp)
3) possibly also do 5-10 min. Pumping sessions

I can say that jelquing after a full day of Phallosan ADS feels incredibly powerful.
I started that program by the end of September.
Also, after that program, the penis feels good, EQ is much better than with my previous manual stretching and “overtraining” program,
And I get good morning wood.

=>> And now comes the question to all seasoned PErs:
As start to get a “worn out” feeling with some turtling after day 3 or so of daily 7-8 hours ADS,

I have been thinking of reducing the program to 1 day on / 2 days off (to honor the “stimulation” principle”)
Or to do 2days on / 2 days off. One could possibly even think about 2 days on, 3 days off ?

I have read somewhere that collagen repair would kick in after 48hours of stress stimulus.
So maybe 2days on 3 days off could make sense.

I would highly appreciate any feedback / experiences etc. From the experts here.

Thank you!


Last edited by BigSchlongCH : 10-13-2014 at . Reason: forgot to include metrics

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Great article, thanks!

I think this has great info for athletes, esp martial artists…specifically Internal Power arts.

I would agree, although I am dubious about its application to PE.

Firegoat, make sure you read that paper, especially the concept of storing power in the connective tissue. It made me think of your “wall exercises” and I dug that back up. You really gave some “gems” with that one, thank you again! I think that is something that I haven’t really developed yet, is that storing power in the fascia…but I am going to start working on it again.

The paper says we as humans have similar ability to store power in our fascia as kangaroos, with their incredible jumping power. I can only imagine what that is like when applied to internal power…well actually martial history is filled with stories of Masters who have. Not only that it also talks about when you fully develop this power in the fascia how it can protect you from impacts and injury…IRON SHIRT! Really exciting article.

Those principles are worthy of consideration and review. In the same light, there is a physical therapy technique known as myofascial release you may find of interest. Not so much in direct application to penis itself but in the supporting tissues.

Sparkyx, kangaroos are such amazing animals. Their legs are so optimized for hopping they lack the ability to walk normally. They can store up so much power in the stretching of their specialized Achilles’ tendons that they manage to expend very little energy hopping great distances at high speed. Their “walk” looks hilarious, check it out on youtube if you ever get a chance.

Ectopasm, I am picturing myself foam rolling my cock as we speak. :)

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Firegoat, make sure you read that paper, especially the concept of storing power in the connective tissue. It made me think of your “wall exercises” and I dug that back up. You really gave some “gems” with that one, thank you again! I think that is something that I haven’t really developed yet, is that storing power in the fascia…but I am going to start working on it again.

The paper says we as humans have similar ability to store power in our fascia as kangaroos, with their incredible jumping power. I can only imagine what that is like when applied to internal power…well actually martial history is filled with stories of Masters who have. Not only that it also talks about when you fully develop this power in the fascia how it can protect you from impacts and injury…IRON SHIRT! Really exciting article.


Thanks sparky. I’ll give that a good read later. Have you read AnatomyTrails by James Earls? It’s good. IMAs are all about the fascia :)
I still do Iron Shirt exercises most days, but have adapted them to emphasise the massage of my internal organs. It’s a while since I did sets with a purely martial emphasis.


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