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Focus Your PE and Gain! TGC Theory

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
If “V” is for vascular, then I agree that VSM probably does grow in response to certain forms of PE, especially jelqing. I think it’s also likely that smooth muscle in the sinusoids, which aren’t part of any specific vein or artery, also grow in response to PE, but I think that growth is likely in proportion to the increase in penile size. That’s just a guess, though.

My guess would be that a healthy penis needs a certain composition, and that implies a certain percentage of smooth muscle which probably behaves more like a sphincter rather than vascular smooth muscle. In order to maintain good erection quality as a response to tunica enlargement I suppose that the smooth muscle must grow in order to maintain the “healthy” (erection wise) proportions within the penis.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by ticktickticker

My guess would be that a healthy penis needs a certain composition, and that implies a certain percentage of smooth muscle which probably behaves more like a sphincter rather than vascular smooth muscle. In order to maintain good erection quality as a response to tunica enlargement I suppose that the smooth muscle must grow in order to maintain the “healthy” (erection wise) proportions within the penis.

I agree with that. That leads me to the point that I think smooth muscle has more to do with erection strength and penile health than it does with growth. My growth beliefs still entirely revolve around collagenous tissue remodeling. But that at least means that smooth muscle research is of high value to every PE practitioner. :)


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Originally Posted by ticktickticker
My guess would be that a healthy penis needs a certain composition, and that implies a certain percentage of smooth muscle which probably behaves more like a sphincter rather than vascular smooth muscle. In order to maintain good erection quality as a response to tunica enlargement I suppose that the smooth muscle must grow in order to maintain the “healthy” (erection wise) proportions within the penis.

I totally agree. I posted this earlier… it seems to support this notion of a healthy balance of smooth muslce and collagen to be necessary for the
erection process.

Quote
CONTEXT AND OBJECTIVE: Smooth muscle fiber has fundamental importance in erection. Alterations in its function or quantity may be associated with erectile dysfunction.

Alterations in oxygen levels are thought to be implicated in imbalance between the quantities of smooth muscle fiber and connective tissue. Such balance is fundamental for enabling erection to take place, since it is the connective tissue (collagen) that causes the erection to be maintained. On the other hand, increased collagen associated with diminished smooth muscle fiber leads to an incapability to achieve venous occlusion.23,24

Histomorphometry of penile smooth muscle fiber in severe erectile dysfunction
Discipline of Urology, Universidade Federal de São Paulo and Discipline of Anatomy and Urology, Universidade Estadual do Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Originally Posted by firegoat
I agree with that. That leads me to the point that I think smooth muscle has more to do with erection strength and penile health than it does with growth. My growth beliefs still entirely revolve around collagenous tissue remodeling. But that at least means that smooth muscle research is of high value to every PE practitioner. :)

I perfectly agree. The toughest stuff is the most difficult to enlarge, the rest follows.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by Iguana

I totally agree. I posted this earlier.. It seems to support this notion of a healthy balance of smooth muslce and collagen to be necessary for the

Erection process.

Your quote supports my notion that the smooth muscle acts like a sphincter. Instead of retaining urine or feces it retains the blood in the penis.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Your quote supports my notion that the smooth muscle acts like a sphincter. Instead of retaining urine or feces it retains the blood in the penis.


Therefore - if you are enlarging the coat the erection quality suffers - pretty much your theory.

The only weakness of your theory is that those pe activities that you assume to increase smooth muscle mass in fact may just increase the tunica circumference. Smooth muscle mass follows (hopefully) to maintain an optimally functional organ.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by remek
When Iguana and I first started thinking about TGC theory, I found that my BPFSL was roughly .75” shorter than my BPEL. Then one day I decided to NOT PE before getting a measurement. I also decided to warm up the next time I measured my BPFSL, as I find my penis is easier to stretch when I get a good warm up in. I made these two changes and - Viola - my BPFSL was the same exact size as my BPEL.

The key with the BPFSL is getting the maximum measurement. I think that most of the time when a guy’s BPFSL is shorter than his BPEL, he’s probably not getting his maximum BPFSL due to:
1) One of the two problems above (SM fatigue and not warming up)
2) He’s not stretching hard enough.

That said, I could be completely wrong here. My opinion is, of course, a little biased. :)

Yeah it seems my BPFSL max length is roughly the same as my BPEL. THat still confuses me as to what to do because my EQ is pointing towards the smooth muscle as the limiting factor while having less than a .5” difference in BPEL and BPFSL points towards the tunica as the factor. How should I approach this?


Starting Stats (2006): BPEL: 5.2" EG: 4.6" GOAL: 6"+/5"+

As of 7/20/08: BPEL: 5.7" EG: 4.3" Not sure what happened to my EG. Measured differently perhaps?

1/12/2010: BPEL 5.9" EG 4.4" Stretching, V-jelqs, Regular Jelqs and Clamping

How does (or does not) the LOT theory fit in to TGC hypothesis/theory?

Do you guys (remek et al) reject ligament stretching? Most of my knowing circulated around stretching the ligaments…

/Swensk


Gone cementing - Started (2005): 7.25 NBPEL 5.7 EGMS. 5 years later (2010): 8.25 NBPEL 6.3 EGMS. 8 years later, 3 years with no PE (2013): 8.1 NBPEL 5.9 EGMS

Originally Posted by koolaid11
Yeah it seems my BPFSL max length is roughly the same as my BPEL. THat still confuses me as to what to do because my EQ is pointing towards the smooth muscle as the limiting factor while having less than a .5” difference in BPEL and BPFSL points towards the tunica as the factor. How should I approach this?

Without more info it’s hard to say. EQ can be influenced by many things. What is your current EQ level? When did you notice a decline?
Does it ever get above this level? What type of routine were you doing at the time? Do you take any medications?


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Originally Posted by Swensk
How does (or does not) the LOT theory fit in to TGC hypothesis/theory?

Do you guys (remek et al) reject ligament stretching? Most of my knowing circulated around stretching the ligaments…

/Swensk

While I believe that ligament stretching to be somewhat beneficial, I personally have never really believed that it contributes to any significant gains. Small gains maybe, but nothing major. But, that’s just my opinion.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

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Originally Posted by Iguana
Without more info it’s hard to say. EQ can be influenced by many things. What is your current EQ level? When did you notice a decline?
Does it ever get above this level? What type of routine were you doing at the time? Do you take any medications?

My current level is about 7ish. I do enter the 8+ levels but not consistently. It may be because I’m on a break currently and during PE it probably is closer to being consistently around 8. I was doing 10-15 minutes stretching and 10-15 minutes of wet jelqing 4-5 times a week. No medications.


Starting Stats (2006): BPEL: 5.2" EG: 4.6" GOAL: 6"+/5"+

As of 7/20/08: BPEL: 5.7" EG: 4.3" Not sure what happened to my EG. Measured differently perhaps?

1/12/2010: BPEL 5.9" EG 4.4" Stretching, V-jelqs, Regular Jelqs and Clamping

Originally Posted by koolaid11
My current level is about Gish. I do enter the 8+ levels but not consistently. It may be because I’m on a break currently and during PE it probably is closer to being consistently around 8. I was doing 10-15 minutes stretching and 10-15 minutes of wet jelqing 4-5 times a week. No medications.

If I were you, I would focus on trying to build up my erection strength through SM exercises first.
At that point I would start working on the tunica.

Originally Posted by goon baby
How do I make my penis bigger?

You will need the following:

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1 Mason Jar
A stick

1. Place wasps in Mason jar.
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4. Enjoy gargantuan penis.

Note: you may have to break jar to get penis out. But trust me, it’s worth it… :)


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Hi there.

Very interesting theory there. I have myself the same BPFSL than my BPEL, so it would suggest that I need to focus more on tunica enlargement exercises, but I also have pretty low erection quality, about 7-8 on 10. Should I focus then 50/50 tunica and smooth muscle exercises ? A bit like the newbie routine, stretches and some squeeze maybe?

First of all, I thanks you, Iguana and Remek, for your hard work and this interesting thread.

That said, I have some perplexity about your theory.

First of, does this theory implies that if someone has done only manual stretching, than he will have a longer tunica but pretty the same smooth muscles than before? So, he should have a partially void penis? I think all penile components will grow together. I’m saying something analogous to what ttt, posted :

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
………………….
The only weakness of your theory is that those pe activities that you assume to increase smooth muscle mass in fact may just increase the tunica circumference. Smooth muscle mass follows (hopefully) to maintain an optimally functional organ.

The second point is that your hypothesis about the relation between [BPFSL>>BPEL]-> [less smooth muscle than needed] doesn’t cut-off the role of the blood in filling the void space: i.e., you are supposing that
a) you have to make your smooth muscle bigger;
b) you have to fill this more muscle with blood;

now, let’s apply the Occam' Razor: could the more blood alone fill that gap? I’d say yes, for two reason:

1) smooth muscles are really elastic, by what I know; should not be a problem to expand them a little more than in the “pre length gain state”;
2) those who have BPFSL>>BPEL, are usually able to reach BPFSL when clamping - and we can’t suppose that smooth muscle grow instantaneously, agree?

So, if your body “learn” how to push this little more blood in the penis, this fact alone can explain why girth routine are good choices in that situation. The hypothesis on smooth muscle growth is not required to explain the same phenomena: this is a consequence, not the cause, of the filled gap.

On the other hand, thinking of a tunica too little for the smooth muscle inside, is a little unnatural: think that, if it were, you could not achieve a real 100% erections, because the tunica, exceptionally strong as you know, doesn’t permit to smooth muscle to fully expand: so, tunica has to be the limiting factor, in any case.

Finally, I agree with memento about the studies regarding the hypothetical relation [smooth muscle lackness -> ED]; I think that, by what we know, only the inverse relation is somewhat proven :[ED->smooth muscle lackness] - due to progressive atrophy.

I hope what I’m posting is clear, you know, my English….!?

PS: “->” means “implies”, of course.


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