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Focus Your PE and Gain! TGC Theory

There is freedom of speech here, for me and you. It seems that you, guys, can’t hear others’ opinions - in this case, my opinion. diesel did not answered to any observation I made.

I can’t see how the fact that his father was a 3rd dan of kung-fu, or whatever, is related to PE; and being a BB trainer can help with PE, but can also lead to mistakes - and this seem is being the case, to me.

The approach diesel is suggesting is nothing new, is something that we have seen many many times: with no great results.

diesel said in another thread that are many years he is on PE, with no results :this says you anything, boys?

About some scientific input on how the penis grow, these are two threads that could be useful for you to read:

Possible reason for PE induced growth

Science of PE Posts and Threads. Link Here!

As I said, it’s your penis and it’s your time. Do whatever you want whit them, I’m just trying to help you.

P.S.: the tunica is made of facial tissue?! Are you sure?


Last edited by marinera : 05-06-2008 at .

My personal opinion is that most of the penis growth concepts revolve around growth produced by the “traction” concept, for the most part.

I do believe in lig gains, as if you trace the penis downward, there is a root that runs close to the pubic bone for several inches on some of us. That on some porn stars that some of this ‘root’ is actual external penis, probably being born that way. That most lig based gains where considered seperating the root from the pelvis.

I believe we may find if someone could put it together. That the “traction” based concept can be extended to the penis, if one could wear a extendible brace that did not have to be removed at all or very infrequently, one could elongate similar to these cases they do on limbs. A similar concept, bone is cut, and braces fitted and extended a very small amount every day. Of course musculurature, blood vessels, lymph system, nerves must also stretch/growh to span the growth.

I do believe this is a dangerous endevour, with risks of complely losing feeling, functionality or even terrible physical damage.

In any case, I’m about to read these links that Marinera provided in what appears to be an attempt to spare us time - in his opinion of course!

Happy gaining!

Originally Posted by marinera
This is the real point, friend: less is more in PE. Don’t be overzealus, or you will have to regret.

Just an advice, I’ve nothing to earn from it :) .

Since weightlifting is being brought up in this topic, I wanted to just chime in for a second.

I do DC Training and its becoming very big in the bodybuilding world. One of the main ideas is that the lifter does one all out set with 2 rest pauses per bodypart and that’s it! You give it your all and you are done with that body part. The theory is that once you give it your all (110%), you can’t further “damage” your muscle fibers and anything else is counterproductive. You do warm-ups and everything, but its crazy how this type of training really takes a toll on my body more than any other type of training (like 10 sets of 10 reps, German Volume Training, etc.)

So, is it possible with the “less is more” approach, that maybe someone could do one really intense clamping set and that’s it for clamping for the day? I always use a ceramic heater while jelqing, clamping, etc., so the penis is always warm. After a warm-up and 10 minutes of jelqing, I do one clamping set with an air clamp. Once I get tiny red dots, I stop and just warm down with some jelqing. Usually this happens after only 8 minutes of clamping. I don’t know if there is a reason to do a 2nd or 3rd set of clamping if it just damages the penis (in a bad way) more and takes longer to recover. I do find myself doing that 2nd or 3rd set, but I don’t know if its needed and maybe its counterproductive ???

About weight-training, I’m not discussing here because it’s off topic. However, there is a thread on that:

Going to failure or not?

I’ve to say that we are also goingo off topic with the last few posts, bumping Iguana and Remek thread; if they’ll ask me, I’ll move those posts.

Answering your ask, SMM, I have to summarize what we know:

a) hard-work against a loaded tunica (like 100% erection-clamping) could give short-term results (if adequate rest is allowed), but lead easly to a stronger tissue, so it’s counterproductive on the long run;

b) low-tension work, for long time, is good for remodeling connective tissue, without making it stronger;

c) hard work, without adequate rest, lead to stalling results and, if one persist, to injuries.

This is what we know about PE, basing both on anecdtotical evidence and scientific studies.

Add to this that Physiologic Indicators have to be checked for best results.

So, I think 3 sets at moderate thigthness of clamping are better than one set at highest tightness/tension.
And most of guys should avoid clamping every-day.

That’s the best I can say to you, other then this: always remember that clamping is the most dangerous kind of PE.

Originally Posted by ShyMplsMale
Since weightlifting is being brought up in this topic, I wanted to just chime in for a second.

I do DC Training and it’s becoming very big in the bodybuilding world. One of the main ideas is that the lifter does one all out set with 2 rest pauses per bodypart and that’s it! You give it your all and you are done with that body part. The theory is that once you give it your all (110%), you can’t further “damage” your muscle fibers and anything else is counterproductive. You do warm-ups and everything, but it’s crazy how this type of training really takes a toll on my body more than any other type of training (like 10 sets of 10 reps, German Volume Training, etc.)

So, is it possible with the “less is more” approach, that maybe someone could do one really intense clamping set and that’s it for clamping for the day? I always use a ceramic heater while jelqing, clamping, etc., so the penis is always warm. After a warm-up and 10 minutes of jelqing, I do one clamping set with an air clamp. Once I get tiny red dots, I stop and just warm down with some jelqing. Usually this happens after only 8 minutes of clamping. I don’t know if there is a reason to do a 2nd or 3rd set of clamping if it just damages the penis (in a bad way) more and takes longer to recover. I do find myself doing that 2nd or 3rd set, but I don’t know if it’s needed and maybe it’s counterproductive ??

No!
Not good for the penis. Marinera is right. As far as DC training I would have to look into that more.


Speak softly carry a big dick, I'm mean stick!

Originally Posted by diesel220
I am not really sold on the idea that you should not stretch all the time. I am seeing better results from adding jelqing and clamping over this last week then ever before.

It makes sense though if you think about it heavy stretch in the morning 1 hr 6 lbs to 8 lbs then right after clamp ten min then light stretcher 2 lbs for 4 to 6 hrs then heavy stretch at night same as in the morning.

We are trying to stretch the tunic and tendons and ligs so that they are weaken to the point of deformation this allows actual cell growth to fill in the micro tears or gaps that is made by stretching.so when you stretch heavy the ligs and tendons and tunic are some what fatigued then clamp for your internal stretching of the tunica.

Clamping stretches outward and to the sides this has to help in length gains.So working length then working girth seem counter productive. This is not like working out in the gym for mass then cuts. We have to get this out of are heads. Tendons and ligs will retract if you stop stretching them unless you push them to deformation.

If you stretch the tendons and ligs in the legs say for a year everyday you will be very flexible. When you stop stretching you will loss some flexibility because there is retraction but you will not lose all of it because you have cause some deformation. So why is the penis any different.

As for the tunic if you lay of stretching it the body will repair it totally and you will have to start all over to get to the point of deformation.I don’t believe you should ever stop stretching as for jelqing there should be some rest days so not to injure your self. If someone has a logical reason for not stretching let me know but I just can’t see one.

Once you have hit the deformation stage I think jelqing and clamping cause growth to happen even faster.

I have recently added flexibility exercises into my workouts. Tight ligs and tendons in my legs. I’m already seeing better flexibility. Stretching is a must this is why I do bed fowfers for hours sometimes.


Speak softly carry a big dick, I'm mean stick!

But I hope you don’t do clamping stretches, KP :) .

I have never tried bed flowers are they really that good might have to tire them on days I don’t jelq doing 3 on 2 off seem to totally fatigue the tissue on this schedule.

Who does clamping stretches?


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

DC training is just another spin off off the HIT program or mike mentzers heavy duty training this type of training may work for short phase of training 6 to 8 weeks and works good for mesomorphs but you will see a sharp decline in lean mass gains due to the high intensity of training.this may throw you in to over training sorry this thread has gone off topic. Back to TGC theory.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

diesel, for the 3rd time, can you read the Forum Guidelines? Make me this favor, and I will be obliged.

Originally Posted by diesel220
DC training is just another spin off off the HIT program or mike mentzers heavy duty training this type of training may work for short phase of training 6 to 8 weeks and works good for mesomorphs but you will see a sharp decline in lean mass gains due to the high intensity of training.this may throw you in to over training sorry this thread has gone off topic. Back to TGC theory.

Go tell this on DC forum just for fun. Many, and I said, MANY trainees train this way for years and still have good gains, you should revise your statement a bit. I don’ train DC, but I did couple of months and saw good gains from it.

Theory seems reasonable and there is no harm in applying same and seeing what happens! My BPSFL has usually been .5” greater than my BPEL regardless of the length at any given time and I have focused more on stretching. My erection quality is 7 to 8 and I would like to see what can done to improve the situation and it may just be “Old Age”. Thanks for info and the effort.

Thanks Robert,

We would love to hear back from anyone who is applying the theory. I’m curious as to the results.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Hey Iguana just wanted to apologize for tacking up space on your thread with some what useless banter.As for results things are going good since I add the jelqing and clamping in to my work out it looks much fuller and and hangs lower.thanks for your insight on how the penis works I have to say I think it has helped out my PE program.

I have a question for you Iguana how do you think an increase in flaccid size correlates to new erect gains to come. Like if you gain an inch in flaccid hang would you expect to see a half inch in erect gains soon to come. I know this has been brought up before but I would like your impute on this topic.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

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