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Ligament Healing And PE

Originally Posted by Monty:
I really don’t think there is a great deal of difference between tunica stretching and lig stretching. They both are similar tissues just structured differently.If I found that I had accomplished stretch in whatever direction, I’d try to keep that going and let the body figure out how to fill in the gaps.

The big problem as I see it is we have a way to keep the ligs stretched with hanging routines at close intervals or an ADS but with the tunica it is more problematic. We just don’t have a way to keep the corpus cavernosa engorged so we can force healing while in the expanded condition. I don’t know if I would want to walk around with a 3/4 hard on all day long but that is what it would take to get good results. So we have to resort to closely applied intervals of stretching with clamps or an Air Clamp to encourage expansion into a permanent condition.

If I were you I would continue with your routine as consistently as I possibly could and you should see gains that can be retained. You might have to go a little beyond your goal to allow for some shrinkage but I should think that maintenance stretching would solidify your progress. In short keep going and ride the gains. If you stop, you run the risk of degenerative healing. i.e. shortening

Ok, Monty.

So what your saying is to continue stretching through the soreness? And, in fact, the soreness is good, as long as it isn’t sharp pain? I sometimes can actually feel the ligs “release” a little bit, (as of today), but without pain. I won’t/don’t jelq, or do girth exercises everyday though. It is a different healing process, right?


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Monty,

One more thing; when we “grow”, what is your understanding of what is happening physiologically? If are the ligaments tearing, scarring, tearing, scarring, etc etc, causing “growth”. Or are we “pulling out” the “internal penis”? Scarring is what I THINK is going on. But, I am just not sure. Will you please clarify this for me, as you understand it?


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

What your going to find is an inability to provide enough stress at some point but for now, yeah keep going. Surprised you haven’t gotten any lig Pop’s. They are freaky when they happen. If all you have is aches then your OK to go ahead. Your right about the sharp pain thing. When that happens you need to back off but not necessarily quit. What you can do is work just under the sharp pain threshold and when the pain goes away then you can apply full force again , but if you quit you might never be able to apply enough pressure with your hands again. Unless of course you do an extended decon.


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Originally Posted by Monty:
Surprised you haven’t gotten any lig Pop’s. They are freaky when they happen. If all you have is aches then your OK to go ahead. Your right about the sharp pain thing. When that happens you need to back off but not necessarily quit. What you can do is work just under the sharp pain threshold and when the pain goes away then you can apply full force again

This is exactly what I am experiencing, and I have had the most length gains in these times. Thanks for the detail on what to expect from stretching.

When you have time, can you go through my previous post, and try to give me an understanding of what is exactly is happening physiologically when we “grow”. Thanks in advance.


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

This is my opinion derived from what I’ve read about what is happening. When the ligs are stretched they are in effect being pulled apart. Obviously we do this on the micro scale. So envision if you would the ligaments as a lattice of connecting cologne structure that when stretched opens areas between the existing cologne latticework. When the body detects the damage from the stress to the lattice frame work it then sends in cologne which begins to bind and bridge the damaged areas at first just to fill in the gaps but later the same cologne will begin to tighten itself and pull the damaged areas back together eventually bringing the injured area back to its original form and shape. This is why Prolotherapy works to correct incorrectly healed ligaments and connective tissues because it starts the healing process artificially.

Our job, as I see it, is to perpetuate and frustrate the healing process so it can’t complete a healing cycle. We take advantage of the weakness of the damaged tissues to facilitate our goals of extension of those same tissues. Kind of like breaking a bone and then keeping the bone separated slightly to lengthen a short leg.

If we can keep the damaged tissues from gathering the cologne and allowing it to strenghten the area then it will stretch and also great stress levels won’t or shouldn’t be necessary to keep the progression going.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

I’ve been saying the same thing. When you let the soreness go away, it gets way harder to hit the fatigue point. More weight, and more pressure seem the only thing you can do once healing has taken place. I deconditioned myself for a couple months, and now I don’t let the soreness go away.

I think the ads is definitely key to accelerating the process, even though I haven’t tried it yet.

What’s your take on Monkeybar’s stuff Monty? I know he is your competition, but I need a stealth approach at work.

Actually I just visited your webpage. Your weights have stream-lined quite a bit since I last looked at them.


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Last edited by hopeful2hanglow : 03-19-2009 at .

Originally Posted by Monty:
This is my opinion derived from what I’ve read about what is happening. When the ligs are stretched they are in effect being pulled apart. Obviously we do this on the micro scale. So envision if you would the ligaments as a lattice of connecting cologne structure that when stretched opens areas between the existing cologne latticework. When the body detects the damage from the stress to the lattice frame work it then sends in cologne which begins to bind and bridge the damaged areas at first just to fill in the gaps but later the same cologne will begin to tighten itself and pull the damaged areas back together eventually bringing the injured area back to its original form and shape. This is why Prolotherapy works to correct incorrectly healed ligaments and connective tissues because it starts the healing process artificially.

Our job, as I see it, is to perpetuate and frustrate the healing process so it can’t complete a healing cycle. We take advantage of the weakness of the damaged tissues to facilitate our goals of extension of those same tissues. Kind of like breaking a bone and then keeping the bone separated slightly to lengthen a short leg.

If we can keep the damaged tissues from gathering the cologne and allowing it to strenghten the area then it will stretch and also great stress levels won’t or shouldn’t be necessary to keep the progression going.

Monty,

Your post is a great way of describing what I visualized. So, you don’t think we are “pulling out” the internal penis then? (I would prefer this to be the case) I have started to have manual stretching as a daily occurrence, mainly through piss pulls. What I have noticed is that my tunica aches, and is sore, together with my base ligaments.

I don’t mind them being sore everyday, as long as my unit grows, and I can use it for it’s intended purpose. :D
What I am doing right now, is 3 days on and 1 day off of jelqing, stretching and some pumping. However, I manually stretch as often as possible on my off days. (as such, my tunica and ligs seem to be perpetually sore) In your opinion, is this ok?

I am concerned that if I take off days from stretching, my unit will “heal” back to the original length.

(I’m sorry if some of these questions seem redundant, but I do not want to over train)

@ Hanglow,

Since you have stopped allowing your unit NOT to be sore, have you seen any length gains?


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

I’m definitely gaining acid. Particularly my BPFSL, its shooting up in leaps and bounds. Somedays I’m a half inch more than my BPELl I’ve always felt my gains so far have come from the times when I’m pushing it. Problem is, if I even go one day without stretching, and girth exercises, I lose that fatigued feeling. Pain around the exit point of my penis seems to be a good indicator that I’m doing what my penis needs. Same for girth work, its harder to get expansion if you’ve rested enough. I’ve even noticed I get slight pains from clamping if its on an off day.

There is an inner penis, I just can’t see a way that it would be coming out, unless your erection angle is changed.

A couple of clamping sets seems to help with fatigue if done before hanging, for me that is.


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2007: BPEL 5.5" / MSEG 4.7" / BG 5.5"

2017: BPEL 6.8" / MSEG 5.3" / BG 6"

I think the visibility of either Monkeybar’s stuff and mine are very similar. In the right situation your going to be able to see either. Frankly in my experience no one is really going to notice because guys generally don’t stare at one anothers crotches. If you find women staring, that’s a good thing. Keep your eye on their eye’s. It really gets funny.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

so is the ligament part swelling normal for stretching and hanging?

I found stretching and hanging would make my penis ‘s ligament become a bit harder, tighter than normal, and the ligament swell.

do any of you experience this before?

Is it a sign of gain also?

I love debating rest days, which methods of apply force are more effective, and even how much force, but I have to admit that I’ve confused myself over the years.

I’d spend weeks analyzing instead of starting a routine. I wanted to figure out the most effective routine before starting something, and it never happened. I didn’t solve much by waiting and analyzing.

On the other hand, guys like Monty have put in some work, and gained.

I’m on a 3 day streak right now of not missing a day of PE. It sounds like a joke, but that’s an accomplishment for me at this point.

I don’t know how many rest days per week I will have.

This is an awesome thread! Dr. Monty was great in his replies under this topic.

I am still puzzled by the concept of “warm-down” and “cool-down”.

Most body builders would agree that after an intensive workout, a cool-down approach is better to sooth the stretched and pumped muscles.

While penis has different muscle structure, would the same concept of “cool-down” apply to stretching/hanging?

I tend to agree that after a hanging session or manual stretches, it should be beneficial to cool-down with an “ADS” so the penis is rested in elongated state and the cementing effect from cold temperature would help????

What do you think?


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A ‘cool down’ is better for reducing inflammation and speeding up recovery in the tissues.

A ‘warm down’ is better if you want to promote continued relaxation of the tissues and promote flaccid hang.

Both will increase blood-flow to the tissues as they will want to return to body temperature and so will flush the tissue with more blood to speed up homeostasis once the cold or heat is removed. Cold will usually do this better.

After a ‘normal’ PE session I would usually use a warm down (actually I would keep the tissues warm throughout the session, so I would just let the tissues return to body temperature while under stretch).

After a particularly hard PE session I favour a cool down for the reasons above.


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Originally Posted by firegoat
A ‘cool down’ is better for reducing inflammation and speeding up recovery in the tissues.

A ‘warm down’ is better if you want to promote continued relaxation of the tissues and promote flaccid hang.

Both will increase blood-flow to the tissues as they will want to return to body temperature and so will flush the tissue with more blood to speed up homeostasis once the cold or heat is removed. Cold will usually do this better.

After a ‘normal’ PE session I would usually use a warm down (actually I would keep the tissues warm throughout the session, so I would just let the tissues return to body temperature while under stretch).

After a particularly hard PE session I favour a cool down for the reasons above.


I have been toying with the idea of a cool down for a few minutes followed by a warm down for a few minutes as I do in the shower after a very strenous workout to help with soreness and healing. I’m thinking as long as I use an ADS for an hour or two afterwards it should promote healing in a longer state. Any thoughts?


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