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Ligament Healing And PE

This thread is a great discussion. Probably one of the more interesting threads going on right now. I took a two month decon break after a lot of rigorous PE. I’ve now come back and realized less may even be more, as long as the initial damage is right. I’ve found three sets of hanging (the second and third fighting through the fatigue), are giving me far more positive PI’s than the four-six moderate sets I did previous to my decon.

The hardest part is figuring out where that fine line is between damage, trauma, and committing to an ads of some sort. I really like to manual stretch really well before attaching my hanger - thus increasing possible damage.

Awesome thread!


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Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
Shit,

Based on your length gains, I will follow instructions. If I gain what you did, I would be at 9.25”. What about cementing these length gains? At some point, all of the tearing and re-healing will toughen the ligaments at the end length, right?


No you shouldn’t have anything abnormal to deal with at the end of your goal. All that would be necessary is to cement your gains is wearing your ADS for a couple of weeks after you’ve stopped the heavy hanging. After that a maintenance hang once in a while will keep the full length of your total progress. When you stop all PE your going to loose a little over time. I’ve seen a 1/4” loss over a year period but that can be recovered very quickly if you want by just a few light routines.


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Originally Posted by hopeful2hanglow
The hardest part is figuring out where that fine line is between damage, trauma, and committing to an ads of some sort. I really like to manual stretch really well before attaching my hanger - thus increasing possible damage.

Awesome thread!


Yeah this is a problem that experience is the only teacher. You’ll know when things get out of hand. When you have too much trauma you’ll have a retraction of length for a while but if you back off on the aggressiveness and keep the light weight or ADS going until things return to normal then you’ll come out on the other side with no loss of length and then you can resume your normal weight workouts. Sometimes all you have to do is ease up on fulcrums or perhaps back off your weight by 2 lbs. You’ll know what to do. Just be conservative and make small changes. There’s no reason to be radical about routine adjustments.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Original post sounds like a great argument for ADS.


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IMO: An ADS is the only way to combat the consequences of the two major evils of PE, 1. erratic routines and 2. over aggressive exercises.

Days can be missed and no problem or consequence will follow if faithful ADSing is applied. I’ve seen this statistically. Continued gains through periods of no exercises at all. That doesn’t mean you gain while not exercising but what it means is no losses when you loose days. I’ve gone for two and three day intervals with no hanging but when you look at an entire month and then compare one month against another the gains will be the same for the same number of sessions. In other words, if you did 25 sessions a month and you gained 1/8” and the following month you did 13 sessions and gained 1/16” Then the lull period had no effect on gains. Try that without an ADS and you’ll end up in a plateau.

If you get impatient, and most of us do, and you over train or apply to much weight you can easily traumatize your shaft. When this happens the body responds with great amounts of healing juices. They cause swelling and bring with them vast amounts of collagen which try to repair the damaged area. Mean while your seeing a shortened unit. If an ADS is applied during the swelling period and there after what you will find is a relaxation back to the length you had instead of a return to what the body would do which is return your unit to your original measurements. Not what you had previously accomplished. This is not the time for a decon because when that period is done your going to have a much stronger unit to try and stretch again. An ADS puts just the right amount of stretching but not enough to extend the damage. When your unit returns to normal i.e. swelling is gone and limpness has returned then you can start hanging again.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

I love your explanations of all this. You reminded me I need to keep my dick being pulled on.

I don’t think I’m going to do any ADS or Hanging stuff. But, it sure sounds like on off days, and during days that I work my routine, I should be doing piss pulls and stretching at other times as well. I like to do manual stretching, because it’s all about feel. It seems like there is a point in manual stretching, where you actually “feel” the penis being extended. At that point, I ease up on the tension, and hold for a few seconds.

I am sold on the concept of stretching in some way, daily. On workout days, much more vigorously, but if pain is felt, release and begin slowly.


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Originally Posted by Acid Jazz

I don’t think I’m going to do any ADS or Hanging stuff. But, it sure sounds like on off days, and during days that I work my routine, I should be doing piss pulls and stretching at other times as well. I like to do manual stretching, because it’s all about feel. It seems like there is a point in manual stretching, where you actually “feel” the penis being extended. At that point, I ease up on the tension, and hold for a few seconds.

I am sold on the concept of stretching in some way, daily. On workout days, much more vigorously, but if pain is felt, release and begin slowly.

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Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
I don’t think I’m going to do any ADS or Hanging stuff. But, it sure sounds like on off days, and during days that I work my routine, I should be doing piss pulls and stretching at other times as well. I like to do manual stretching, because it’s all about feel. It seems like there is a point in manual stretching, where you actually “feel” the penis being extended. At that point, I ease up on the tension, and hold for a few seconds.

I am sold on the concept of stretching in some way, daily. On workout days, much more vigorously, but if pain is felt, release and begin slowly.

Well said.

It’s like active recovery. If you workout at the gym really hard one day, instead of laying in bed all day the next, maybe go for a walk or some other type of light cardio to get the blood flowing. Or even some very light weight training. The thing is, people do too much (too much intensity) on their “off” days and mess everything up. I’m not saying it’s easy at all, but you have to learn self-control and know that what you are doing (the active recovery) is part of a bigger plan.

Monty, I’m sorry I didnt’ see this excellent thread until today. It’s because I am dedicating most of my time to the Spanish section. And it’s about the Spanish Thunder’s that I want to talk about now:

Is it ok with you if I translate your initial post into Spanish and make it available to the Spanish-speaking members? They should know about it.


Mafero

Please do so. But you’ll have to act as a translator for any orders I get. j/k lol


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Thanks, Monty, and thanks for sharing your son’s experience with all of us.

If this cause an avalanche of Spanish byuers, I’ll be happy to translate the orders for you :D , but do you want to know what I am really afraind of, that thy guys start asking me questions in Spanish about your post and I would have to translate them for you to answer them :confused:


Mafero


Last edited by mafero : 03-14-2009 at .

Monty,

I have been manually stretching daily. Yesterday, I made the ligs really sore. I was able to have sex with great EQ and my morning wood today was killer.

So, as today is a workout day, would you suggest that now is the BEST time to continue stretching? Should I give it a rest?

It sounds like girth work needs rest to grow, and length work needs more consistent pressure to keep from building up a “tougher pull”. (eg harder to stretch the ligs once they have completely healed)


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

Originally Posted by mafero

If this cause an avalanche of Spanish byuers, I’ll be happy to translate the orders for you :D , but do you want to know what I am really afraind of, that thy guys start asking me questions in Spanish about your post and I would have to translate them for you to answer them :confused:

yew, good point. Perhaps your biting off more then you think. Nice for me, Problem for you. I’m sure it will work out.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
Monty,

I have been manually stretching daily. Yesterday, I made the ligs really sore. I was able to have sex with great EQ and my morning wood today was killer.

So, as today is a workout day, would you suggest that now is the BEST time to continue stretching? Should I give it a rest?

It sounds like girth work needs rest to grow, and length work needs more consistent pressure to keep from building up a “tougher pull”. (eg harder to stretch the ligs once they have completely healed)


I really don’t think there is a great deal of difference between tunica stretching and lig stretching. They both are similar tissues just structured differently.If I found that I had accomplished stretch in whatever direction, I’d try to keep that going and let the body figure out how to fill in the gaps.

The big problem as I see it is we have a way to keep the ligs stretched with hanging routines at close intervals or an ADS but with the tunica it is more problematic. We just don’t have a way to keep the corpus cavernosa engorged so we can force healing while in the expanded condition. I don’t know if I would want to walk around with a 3/4 hard on all day long but that is what it would take to get good results. So we have to resort to closely applied intervals of stretching with clamps or an Air Clamp to encourage expansion into a permanent condition.

If I were you I would continue with your routine as consistently as I possibly could and you should see gains that can be retained. You might have to go a little beyond your goal to allow for some shrinkage but I should think that maintenance stretching would solidify your progress. In short keep going and ride the gains. If you stop, you run the risk of degenerative healing. i.e. shortening


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

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