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Ligament Healing And PE

I have maintained for a very long time my conviction about healing cycles and how they apply to PE.

Recently one of my sons was at a local hot springs nearby in the mountains and upon entering the water lost his balance a little and stepped on a stick that was submerged. It cut the bottom of his foot. The gash was 5” long and ran between the inside of his instep and the first toe next to his big toe. It went deep enough to cut his big toe’s main tendon by 90%. The subsequent surgery pulled it all together again but the reason I bring this up is what his surgeon said about his main toe’s healing. He said that he didn’t want him to use his foot at all for the first 3 weeks and after that only lightly. One of the principles he gave my son was his description of the condition of the tendon while healing. He said that in the first two weeks the tendon would get soft and very weak. He didn’t want any strain on that area until the tendon began getting harder or tougher.

My point in telling you this is to point out how tendons are very similar in tissue characteristics to the ligaments we work on here. When we stretch our ligaments and we get some swelling from the damage we’ve created we are in effect doing the same thing was having corrective surgery. The more important point here is that during the healing cycle is when we want to remain stretched. It is when the body is in the first stage of healing when it brings in enzymes and proteins to accomplish clean out of the damaged tissues but also extra fluids to facilitate the process, hence swelling. If we apply stress to that ligament to keep it elongated during that phase of the healing cycle then we enable the elongation of that ligament by disallowing it from the last and final stage of healing which returns the ligament to it’s natural original length. The last stage is where we need to concentrate on retaining the length we’ve created.

Perspectives and comments welcome.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights


Last edited by gprent : 06-12-2008 at .

Hey Monty this is what were were trying o say in the rest thread a few weeks back. The thread got so heated on the debate that it just died off. You can check it out.

There are to camps out there I think guys who do manuals and guys who use ADS extenders and hang weights. For us guys that hang and use extenders we believe as you do and doctors that once the tendon is at is damage point and the body tries to heal it self that you should keep it in it’s extender state to allow for more growth.

The guys who do jelqing and manuals get fatigued so they need to take rest days from manuals so as to not get a negative PI, they equate this to stretching or hanging and this is counter productive for growth with hang and stretching the tendons become stronger if they are allowed to completely heal or they go it to retraction mood so they can go back to it’s normal size.

I think and this is just my opinion that when you get retraction after a long or heavy hang or stretching session this is an indicator that you are now in growth mood and the tendons have been damage enough to cause the body’s growth phase.

Guys that wear just extenders take much longer to get in to this phase because they are using such low weight, for me gains didn’t come till around 400 hrs. Most guys give up way before this time frame. The time frame for most is 300 to 500 hr before erect gains come if you are only using 1.5 of weight from extenders. Know if you add hang in there gains may come much fast as you are causing more trauma to the tendons in a much smaller time frame.

I hang know and keep the penis extended during the day. This is the most scientific way to grow when it comes to reproducible penis enlargement.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

What about guys that are gaining inches with just jelqing and doing manual stretches with a 2 on 1 off or 5 on 2 off routine?

There are guys who gain from jelqing I am not saying there isn’t. What I am saying is there are two types of guys out there. Guys who gain of expansion alone and guys who don’t. Guys who gain off jelqing for length I consider easy gainers with loss tendons and tunica. The rest of us are guys the have tight tunica and tendons we need to use weights to gain where you fall in I don’t know.

The other thing I am saying is when you jelq clamp or use any type of expansion method you must take rest days because the internal structure can only take so much pressure before you get negative PI.

With weight hanging and traction this is not the case and rest days it will actually slow your progress if you are doing hang and extender work.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

Makes sense. According to the TGC theory, I’m one of those that need to hang :( Luckily, I have a Redi-Stretcher and can get a great stretch compared to just hands.

Thanks again for your input, diesel :)

No problem shy let me know how your progress goes. You can rig some thing under a desk to hang weights from the reidi stretcher, so you don’t have to stand while you stretch sitting makes it so much easier.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5


Last edited by sunshinekid : 06-13-2008 at .

For many Moons I got gains from a steady and consistent hanging regimen. Now There is so much inconsistency in my privacy and work areas I’m having a difficult time. I don’t think my work will be sending me out of the country again soon so I hope I can make some significant progress again. What I have noticed is that I have been forced into involuntary decon breaks and following those I have found that when I hang at my regular weight that I now swell and experience damage that I was unable to accomplish before. So Now I wonder if decons really do enable gains that before I would have to accomplish by fulcrums and perhaps greater weight intervals. What I mean by intervals is that I would exceed my normal 17 to 20lb stress level and bump up to higher levels for a minute or two. Really that’s all I needed to do to keep the gains going. Then I would drop back to my previous level and continue my routine for the balance of the time interval. Sometimes I would finish a session with a weight bump.

Think about it, a bump is really all that is needed to breakup the ligs. After that additional time would not accomplish more. And from what my sons doctor said if we attack the ligs while they are soft then that would be the opportunity to change them. So we must be focusing on keeping the ligs stretched for the two weeks following the initial damage we create, however we do it.

If your not a hanger then whatever level your at the principle would be the same.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Hmmmm….

So if one starts hanging, they should hang as much as possible in the initial two weeks? I’m not talking about heavy weights (unless that is what it takes) but long and consistent sessions?

No I wouldn’t suggest that. It would be better to start at a light weight. If you’ve only been doing manual exercises then I would start off with 5lbs or less. Limit your sessions to 3 sets of 20 minutes each.

It’s not so much hanging for long durations in the first two weeks. It’s that within the first two weeks when after the initial damage is done that the ligs are going to be soft and pliable. That is when you need to KEEP them stretched. Not from hanging as much as ALL the time between your hanging routines. It’s OK to continue to hang daily if that’s possible but if you can wear an all day stretcher or other form of light stress, then the ligs will heal in the elongated state.

If you only hung one time but obtained fatigue (which means that you feel like your shaft is sore) then you have gained IF you do what is necessary to retain the added length. Granted it will probably be an imperceptible gain but it will be there. Over a period of time these small changes will become perceptible. What you do after will determine whether or not you get to keep your gains.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

An ADS won’t work for me since I’m doing construction work a lot. When I go to the bathroom (which I do about 4 times during the workday), I can do piss pulls. I know this isn’t the best, but I tried the ADS before at work and it didn’t work too well :(

Thanks for the input.

This does make sense to cause the trauma to the ligs with higher weights at first then only lower weight is need to keep the growth going. I think retraction or shrinkage could be a singe that you have entered that zone of trauma.

Funny enough I do remember that around the time my erect gains started to show up from using the extender by it’s self around 400 hr mark it was like the penis wouldn’t stretch as easy like it was pulling back on it’s self. This might have been the body trying to heal it self.

I was thinking the same thing you just wrote down today after I posted on here. It is strange we or I have never heard this theory on growth but I don’t hang around the hanging form that much so maybe it’s been discussed there.

Since I have been doing the long sessions in the static of 2 hrs at 6 lbs at one time 2 times per day I got lots of shrinkage right after. I jump in the shower heat it up after ever session the put it in the extender, maybe I have hit the trauma phase on the ligs and hopefully growth will start again.

If this is true and my gain start up again and others chime in on this we might be looking at a whole new way of setting up you PE program that could work for every one hang heavy enough to cause the retraction this is the singe the body gives you that you are going in to your growth phase and keep the penis extended as much as you can.

Lots of guys might have seen this as a negative PI but maybe it’s really not.

Here is the question did you notice lots of shrinkage right before your erect gains started to show up ? Did you see this as a negative PI and stop PE and then growth happened, but when you came back to PE you need to use more weight to get your ligs to even feel the stretch because all tough you grew from the body healing it self the penis became tougher so to speak.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

Maybe we should call the conditioning breaks because we allow the body to totally heal it’s self and become stronger. We do all this pulling hanging then when the body shows a sing that it is now weaken we stop and allow all are hard work to go down the tubes by not keeping at it.

We might be able to keep growing if we work past what we thought was time to stop and trigger it’s growth phase and when we stop we only gain a very small amount of what we could have gained.

I am not say we should use the heavy weights once the penis is weaken but use more low weight tension the high weights that we used in the beginning of the proses.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

Yes working past the point of the softness created by previous damage will in my opinion be the way to permanitize our gains.

But see that is the whole trick. The healing rate or the healing cycle time for any one individual could be MUCH different then another. Young guys could heal in say a 48 hour period and others my heal in 72 to 96 hours. I have seen some medical reference that speculated a 100 hour healing cycle for Ligaments is typical but I think there are many here on the forum that could very well be much quicker and for those guys they could reach a plateau and wonder why. Those guys really have to watch the time intervals that allow for completed healing cycles.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Very good info on the healing times. These at least gives us some kind of numbers to look at even though not an exact science we can infer that you should cause that damage to the ligs and if you wait to long like 2 day before your next session this could slow gains if not stop them all together.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

When I started to hang last year (for the short time I did it), I could tell the difference in how tight my ligs were if I skipped two days compared to doing it everyday. This is why I’m trying to hang/stretch every morning and every night.

But, the $64,000 question is why should we “cool down” compared to a “warm down”. After working out in the gym, a cold shower is suppose to help recuperate faster. This would be counterproductive for stretching the ligs, correct? Even when you injure yourself, you are suppose to use ice for the first 24 or 48 hours.

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