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Cool Down - YES You NEED It!

Cool Down - YES You NEED It!

Yes, It is important that you cool down and that you cool down in an extended state. This encourages the tissue fibers to remain that way.
Connective tissue (mainly collagen) becomes gel-like at 140 degrees. So, heat softens the tissue and changes it to more of a “liquid”, or pliable state. It only makes sense that to keep it that way, you would want to cool it in the new extended state to return it back to a more solid material. Like heating a piece of plastic, remolding it to a new shape, and then letting it cool.

Notice what this article says

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Lehman and associates (1970) studied the effects of heat and stretching on rat tail tendons.6 The results indicated that heating alone produced no significant elongation and that stretching alone produced no residual elongation. Significant elongation occurred if heat and stretch were combined. A greater increase in length was maintained if the stretch was held during the period of cooling since “reorganization of the tissues is thought to occur during the cooling period.”6 Overall, the most effective method of producing a plastic deformation of connective tissue was to apply a sustained stretch during the application of heat and to maintain the stretch during the period of cooling. (Italics and bolding mine)

For the full article: http://www.activebodyclinic.com/core_Physio_heat.html

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“Other studies dealt with the subsequent elasticity of the connective tissue, i.e., ligaments and tendons, after the application of ice. Doctor Mennell5 felt that this was due to the decreased sensation, which enabled the patient to stretch out muscle spasm. Others felt that stretching was best achieved in the “cooling stage” after “heating” by use of hot packs, massage, or ultrasound. Therefore, for best results, stretching of the part should be maintained while cooling the tendon. This was found to produce a longer-lasting increase in length than those treatments in which the stretch was stopped after heat was applied.3


http://www.sigafoospt.com/Education/Cold%20Therapy.htm

I have recently starting icing down after stretching. I find that my flaccid hangs longer for greater periods of time.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

After a ‘normal’ PE session, I allow my penis to cool to body temperature under light stretch.

If I have had a very intense session, or there is any active inflammation, I allow it to cool naturally to body temperature, then ice it.

Bear in mind also that the penis takes very little time to cool all the way through.

Here are a few guidelines on the use of ice that I wrote for my patients. Obviously they are written to apply to musculoskeletal conditions, so use your common sense to extract what is useful to apply to the penis. If you are going to try ice, please read them carefully:

Use of Ice

ICE is simple, safe and very effective for many injuries and painful musculoskeletal conditions.

Ice in any form may be used - gel packs, water with ice in it, bags of frozen peas, crushed ice in a polythene bag - whatever is most convenient. Please don’t use ice direct on skin, it can cause nasty ‘cold burns’ or can stick, which is very unpleasant! Whatever you use wrap it in a dry or damp tea towel or similar. (Dry is essential in cold weather if outside).

Ice has a two-fold effect. Initially it decreases tissue temperature and causes local blood vessels to constrict. As the body tries to re-establish homeostasis, its effect changes to increase tissue temperature and dilate the blood vessels in deep tissue. These responses alternate.


Cold applied locally to the site of the injury will:

q chill pain receptors, decreasing pain

q constrict local blood vessels, slowing blood circulation, stopping bleeding and reducing inflammation

q dilate deep blood vessels, bringing nutrients to the area and speeding removal of debris from inflammation

q reduce muscle spasm

q decrease tissue damage

Healing time is directly proportional to the amount of swelling, so it is vital to control swelling as soon as possible after an injury, and not allow further damage to surrounding tissue.

How long to ice an area for depends on the area - icing an area for too long can cause cold damage. A finger for example will take much less icing (e.g. 5 mins.) than a thigh, and a superficial injury will take less than a deep injury. Generally no body part should ever be iced for more than 20-25 mins . If icing a wrist or ankle in water with ice in it, keep fingers/toes out of the water. Use your common sense.


When using ice you will feel the following stages:

Cold

Burn

Ache

Numbness

When you feel numbness has been achieved, stop icing. The treatment can be repeated when the part has warmed up again. Cold therapy may be continued for 24 to 48 hours following the injury. Two to three times a day is usual, although with a more severe injury this may be increased.


Ice therapy is generally very safe when used within the time recommendations above. However, it is NOT recommended if you have:


q allergy to cold

q collagen disease

q circulatory problems

q rheumatoid arthritis

q cardiac problems

q Reynaud’s disease


Additionally, ice should not be used over a superficial nerve or areas of impaired sensation or paralysis. If in doubt always consult your doctor before using cold therapy.

A word about the ever popular cold sprays. Although they have their place, I would not recommend them. They are difficult to use effectively. If used insufficiently they do the opposite of what is intended - they chill the surface, but no lower, which causes a reflex reaction by the body of increasing blood flow to warm the area. If used enough to cool deep tissue, they are liable to cause freeze burns to the skin.

If you have any further questions on the use of ice, please telephone me on


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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Is getting into the shower and doing some stretching with the warm water as good as using a warm warp? I find it rather difficult to stay erect while the warm wrap is on. Shower though no problem.

My understanding has always been to use a warm wrap after a jelq session for the “cool down”. This threadis suggesting a cold “cool down”. Did I miss something or are there just different theories out there?

No, a shower is not as good. But it is better than nothing.


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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Originally Posted by lemec

My understanding has always been to use a warm wrap after a jelq session for the “cool down”. This threadis suggesting a cold “cool down”. Did I miss something or are there just different theories out there?

There have been several threads on cool/warm downs recently; could you please try using the search button? I don’t want to type the same stuff for the third time in a week! Thanks :)

If you have problems getting good results from the search, please check the ‘articles’ on the left of the home page. There is an excellent article on how to get the best out of searching. Good luck.


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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Originally Posted by firegoat
No, a shower is not as good. But it is better than nothing.

Good things. Well I will stick to the warm wrap then.

So are you guys saying we should cool down with ice after every jelq session? Or should we warm down with a warm wrap then cool down with ice? Cause for some reason, I’m afraid that my discoloration will get worse and I’ve seen that heat is the best method to reduce discoloration after a jelq session because it allows the trapped blood to be unstuck in the blood vessels. So wouldn’t a cool down increase the chance of discoloration since it constricts the blood vessels and doesn’t allow the blood to get out and circulate?

This is interesting, but how do you keep your girth engorged while cooling?

You could clamp the base very loosely, but I don’t know how well that would work.

However penis isn’t a muscle ,its structure is completely different from one, it should be treated different, but if it’s working for you, stay with it :) . Anyway, I’d prefer to do a warm-up and a warm-down, because of tunica and its flexibility which is increased by the heat.

Oh and what about this?

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decrease tissue damage


Isn’t going to be bad if the micro-tear theory is right?


One day I'll be able to do PE o/

Originally Posted by firegoat

After a ‘normal’ PE session, I allow my penis to cool to body temperature under light stretch.

If I have had a very intense session, or there is any active inflammation, I allow it to cool naturally to body temperature, then ice it.

Some of you seem a little confused about this, so I will briefly elaborate on what I have said above, just to make it clearer.

I do not ice after a normal PE session. Because I use heat from an IR lamp throughout a session, I do not need to use heat at the end of a session; in effect I already am. My penis is as warm as it is ever going to get. I just keep it under slight stretch as it cools down to normal body temperature.

If you do not use an IR lamp, to achieve the same, you would warm down as recommended in the newbie routine, and every other PE routine.

It is important not to get use too much heat for the warm down. The purpose of the warm down is to encourage ‘hang’, so you want your penis to feel warm and comfortable. Using too much heat can actually cause turtling, because your penis wants to be at natural body heat, so it will reduce it’s surface area. If your penis is already still warm at the end of your exercises, you do not need to do a specific warm down. Just try to keep it extended as it returns to body temperature.

Plenty of heat is useful for making the tissues as malleable as possible before and during exercises, but is too much for encouraging maximum hang after a session.

If I have had a very intense session, or there is any active inflammation, (i.e. I have got it wrong and over-trained my penis; we all do it occasionally), I allow it to cool naturally to body temperature, then ice it.

Icing will cause turtling, for the same reason as excess heat (see above). However, because the penis wants to be at body temperature, when the ice is removed the penis will be flushed with lots of fresh, warm, oxygen and nutrient laden blood, to get it to body temperature as fast as possible. This will, in the absence of injury, allow good hang. At the same time it will flush out metabolic by-products caused by PE exercises, and ‘feed’ the tissues. It will actually decrease discolouration etc. in the process. Think about it: ice has been used on extrinsic injuries (think black eyes, football tackle bruises and oedema etc.) for many years. It certainly won’t make discolouration worse!


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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I think the goal here is to “solidify” the collagen. The tunica is about 50% collagen. Heating collagen puts it in a more pliable soft state which is easier to deform. So the process is too elevate the penis core temp as much as possible without burning, stretch, and then hold the stretch and cool back down. Colder should be better in that the colder the collagen is, the less molecular activity, and the less likely it is to return to the previous resting state. That is why ice and cold packs are recommended. The ice and cool packs help accelerate the process.

Do not freeze your penis. If find about 2-3 minutes is sufficent; maximum of 5. Anything longer and I start to turtle.


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

After jelqing I do a light stretch.. And a warm down.. Not a cool down.

How cold for cool down? Cold water okay?


Start Dec 10 \'07: BPEL 6 2/16" | EG 5 1/4"

Feb 4: BPEL 6 11/16" | EG 5 2/4"

Short Term Goal: BPEL 7" | EG 5 3/4" Long Term Goal: BPEL 7 3/4 - 8" | EG 6"

This is good stuff. Good idea, and solid facts. Thanks man.

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