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Cool Down - YES You NEED It!

Great thread, Iguana. It’s going in my favorites. :up:

Just to further clarify.

It seems to me as though the cooling must be accomplished while in the extended state in order to be effective.

As in wearing a stretcher while heating and, after taking the heat away, briefly cooling in a stretched out state. I’m trying to determine the length of time to do the cooling, after a prolonged, heated stretch.

Any recommendations?

Also, firegoat from what you’re saying it would seem to me that afterward a massage and warm down would be appropriate.


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Lehman and associates (1970) studied the effects of heat and stretching on

"Rat tail tendons”.

That should be pretty close to our dicks, right?

Intuitively, my hanging sessions for some time have been start hanging using an electric heat pad for 20 min then cool down without heating (but no ice) at room temperature without removing the weight.

After the session some kind of ads is a good advise, too I think.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by firegoat

.. Ice should not be used over a superficial nerve ..

The main nerve of our dick is running along our dick right under the skin.

I would be careful with ice. I tried it, I didn’t like the sensation. Room temperature might do the job.

If you want to use ice follow firegoats suggestion to use it dry, and with some tissue between the ice and the skin.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
Just to further clarify.

It seems to me as though the cooling must be accomplished while in the extended state in order to be effective.

As in wearing a stretcher while heating and, after taking the heat away, briefly cooling in a stretched out state. I’m trying to determine the length of time to do the cooling, after a prolonged, heated stretch.

Any recommendations?

Also, firegoat from what you’re saying it would seem to me that afterward a massage and warm down would be appropriate.

That is correct. To be effective cooling should be done while extended. I have found the minimum should be back to normal body temperature and that much cooler is also very effective. 2-3 minutes works for me. I hang much fuller after cooling down. But, anything past about 5 minutes and it starts to turtle.

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Lehman and associates (1970) studied the effects of heat and stretching on

"Rat tail tendons”.

That should be pretty close to our dicks, right?

Actually, rat tail tendons contain a large portion of collagen not unlike the tunica
http://bimat.princeton.edu/assets/p…3_hansma303.pdf

Also, the second study was done on human tendons and with a very positive effect.

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“Other studies dealt with the subsequent elasticity of the connective tissue, i.e., ligaments and tendons, …Therefore, for best results, stretching of the part should be maintained while cooling the tendon. This was found to produce a longer-lasting increase in length than those treatments in which the stretch was stopped after heat was applied.3

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
The main nerve of our dick is running along our dick right under the skin.
I would be careful with ice. I tried it, I didn’t like the sensation. Room temperature might do the job…

Yes, listen to tickler’s advice, beware of placing ice directly on your penis. Use a cloth or something to protect the skin.
If you leave it on long enough to affect the nerves, that’s way too long.


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Last edited by Mr. Happy : 01-18-2008 at . Reason: cooling for cooing

Good thread.

I’ve been wondering to myself about the effectiveness of cooling while in the post-PE elongated/plumped state after a routine. When I get back into stretching again I’ll definately try it, and I might try it after jelq/squeeze/clamp too. If rat tail tendons are pretty similar to the tunica then there could be benefit to this after clamping I suppose. It’s hard to get past the conventional penis wisdom (cold=turtle) but that is only a short term effect as has been already mentioned.


Retired.

I wonder if this should only be done if you have a stretcher.

I’d assume even if you stretch while you cool, after you are done, it will want to turtle until it returns to room temperature?


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I’d imagine it would work well for hanging too.

I just think it makes sense to view “cooling” differently than “icing”.

It seems to be about structuring your stretching time such that at the end of it you take a break from the heat, so that the cooling is done while everything is still pulled out.

Then you remove everything and do a warm massage for a bit.

My question had to do with time, though. How long should the cooling take, roughly? Was there any indication in the study? Anybody have any good guesses?

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
After the session some kind of ads is a good advise, too I think.


Agreed.


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I just finished jelqing and tried to cool down for the first time. I just took a cold shower for 1-2 minutes.

To be honest I thought my unit would turtle, but instead it stayed full and it even hanged a bit longer (length) + it felt terrific afterwards..

I think I will continue to use those cool downs up until the end of next week.

Originally Posted by Pepsi
I just finished jelqing and tried to cool down for the first time. I just took a cold shower for 1-2 minutes.
To be honest I thought my unit would turtle, but instead it stayed full and it even hanged a bit longer (length) + it felt terrific afterwards..
I think I will continue to use those cool downs up until the end of next week.

If you take a cold/cool shower after jelqing I would suggest that you stretch your unit whilst under the cold shower. Otherwise I think this would be counterproductive - and we do want to be productive, don’t we?


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
I’d imagine it would work well for hanging too.

If I recall correctly, Bib did some type of cool down towards the end of his set (I think it was Bib).

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
I just think it makes sense to view “cooling” differently than “icing”.

You always had your way with words :)

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
My question had to do with time, though. How long should the cooling take, roughly? Was there any indication in the study? Anybody have any good guesses?

I suppose that’s the million dollar question, eh? My guess is one to two minutes. In large part because Dustpan reported roughly 2x2.5” gains and followed that cool down routine. His method was to put a ice pack in the FRIG (not freezer) and then apply that to his penis for one to two minutes after his workout.

Also, from personal experience, anything longer than two minutes has a reverse effect for me - the penis stops staying in the “extended state” and starts to “turtle.”


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I found something that might contribute to this thread. It’s a quote from Big Girtha, who also did his own form of cooling down.

Originally Posted by Big G
“Every morning after all PE sessions I end up jelqing and stretching in the hot tub right outside my apartment by the pool. After the final stretching and wet qelqing in the 104 degree water I slip on 2 pounds of lead pe weights and swim laps cooling the ligs while they are still held extended in the chilled 50 degree water. (Wintertime in Texas)”


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Girtha was always ahead of his time! He would be proud of us! :)


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I’ve tried a lot, if not all, of the methods mentioned here and must say that icing, for me, was good, but not at all optimal.

Going from warm to cool in a relatively short span of time….think about it, use your common sense on it. While indeed, a cool-down may lock SOME of your stretched state into your dick collagen memory banks, there is bound to be some retraction to go along with it.

It’s a matter of simple physics: heat/expansion vs. cooling/contraction. And contraction is something I want NEVER in PE.

So let’s say the effect of ice/rapid cooling is 80% positive (locks in gains) but 20% negative (causes some retraction of those gains due to natural physical process of cooling=contraction.

That’s not good enough for me. I want all 100% of those gains. Hell, I actually want 110% if possible.

So therefore, BigGirtha, or mine, or anybody else’s positive experience with icing/rapid cooling aside, I’ve done both fastidiously and, for me, have found that slowly cooling down to room temperature while in an extended, weighted, ADS stretch (golf weights) state is the paranirvana (for me) of “cooldown methods”.

I even heat up the weights when I put them on so that the cooling is occuring in the context of heated stretching. This is the extra “bump”, and one of the easiest ways I make gains. It’s the bomb-du-bomb. Waaaaaay better than ice/rapid cooldown- for me at least.

Ice contracts. I don’t want to contract, I want to expand and lengthen AND lock it all in.


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So your essentially cooling the penis after a warm down?


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