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I am having the PE surgery done in 2 weeks

Oops, I mean to say “for a circumcised guy” in:

Scarring around the base can be concealed with pubic hair, but just under the glands for an uncircumcised guy could really produce an unsightly scar for women to see.

Originally Posted by JAPP
You must be very unhappy with your size to consider such an invasive procedure. I would never let some doc cut into me, even if I had a 3 inch erection. I hope you have thought long and hard about this decision. Good luck.

JAPP didnt pose this question towards me at all but I am going to chime in with my two cents.

I was always good at sex and almost never unhappy with my size UNTIL I found out about NPE. Now I have the attitude that more is better and however I can get it I am willing to try.


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Originally Posted by hobby
I think that sounds remarkably similar to what many have gained from PE, which is why I wonder if a guy who has PE’d for as long as 8-Ball has - and already gained - can benefit from having his ligs snipped.

This is an interesting and important question, along with the question: If someone is a hard length gainer with “natural” PE, is he also likely to be one of the individuals who doesn’t gain much or any length from surgical PE?

Or, does the cutting of the ligs facilitate extending the ligs in ways that are not possible through hanging, etc., alone?

Hobby, please let us know if you dig up any relevant data on these questions?

Originally Posted by 24 Hours
Crash & 8-Ball,

If I remember correctly from crash’s thread they do the graft insertion by cutting the skin around just under the head, pulling the skin down to your base, wrapping the graft around the shaft, then pulling the skin up and reattaching under the glands. Most of the sensation you get from sex comes from just under the glands (where he’d cut), so wouldn’t this affect that sensation? Crash?

Also, Crash, unless I missed them I think the last picture you posted was in April. Do you have any newer ones showing erection? And also for 8-Ball’s benefit, could you take a shot of it with the foreskin pulled down to show the scarring under the glands. This would be a concern of mine. Scarring around the base can be concealed with pubic hair, but just under the glands for an uncircumcised guy could really produce an unsightly scar for women to see.


The doc doesn’t separate the head from the shaft and pull the skin down as you mentioned. There will be a small incision behind the head that will fade over time such that you would have to know what you were looking for to see it.

Originally Posted by motivated
This is an interesting and important question, along with the question: If someone is a hard length gainer with “natural” PE, is he also likely to be one of the individuals who doesn’t gain much or any length from surgical PE?

Or, does the cutting of the ligs facilitate extending the ligs in ways that are not possible through hanging, etc., alone?

Hobby, please let us know if you dig up any relevant data on these questions?


The length gain from surgery is entirely different. For NPE you must actually lengthen the ligament whereas with the surgery the dick itself isn’t lengthened, you merely pull your inner penis outside of your body which is done by separating the suspensory and fundiform ligaments from the pubic bone.

So 8-Ball ,what is the doc telling you to expect in erect girth gains? I am all for the surgery option as long as the techniques are solid and the results worth the risk,however the one problem I keep running up against with any of the graft methods or fat injection is that the gains are mostly if not totally in flaccid state, I may be in the minority here,but I could care less what my dick looks like flaccid, I am all about hard erect gains. I rather like the idea of my 4 x 4 flaccid turning into a 7x6 monster to tell ya the truth,but until I can either confirm the erect gain with alloderm or find a competent doctor doing the tunica graft surgery , I guess it will just have to remain a dream.

So anyways,what did your doc tell you to expect?

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The length gain from surgery is entirely different. For NPE you must actually lengthen the ligament whereas with the surgery the dick itself isn’t lengthened, you merely pull your inner penis outside of your body which is done by separating the suspensory and fundiform ligaments from the pubic bone.

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

Generally it is thought that length gains in PE come from:

1) Lengthening the ligs. This expresses more of the existing shaft length. Lig gains are generally the easiest. However, potential varies considerably. Some guys have more penis “bound” by ligs than others. If one’s ligs aren’t very constricting to start with he won’t get much length increase from stretching them.

2) Lengthening the shaft itself. Since surgical PE has nothing to do with this, we can ignore it for the purpose of this discussion.

As an example of what I’m questioning, let’s speculate that before you started PE your tight ligs restrained 1/2” of existing shaft length. If you had your ligs cut back then you would have gained 1/2”. Wow, the miracle of surgery. ;) But you didn’t. Instead you PE’d and gained that 1/2”. If your ligs are long enough now to be out of the way, what good will cutting them do?

What is you LOT? Is your “exit point” high, or does your penis ride fairly low below your pubic bone?

Originally Posted by 8-Ball
The length gain from surgery is entirely different. For NPE you must actually lengthen the ligament whereas with the surgery the dick itself isn’t lengthened, you merely pull your inner penis outside of your body which is done by separating the suspensory and fundiform ligaments from the pubic bone.

Npe, not entirely true. The ligament is lengthened, and the natural penis is pulled out through hanging, stretching. It just takes more time naturally, and is much more difficult. Motivated is correct. This explains why virtually the same can be gained using both methods, only one way is much easier and quicker.


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Regardless of whether or not you have unlocked your PE length gain potential, a substantial amount of inner penis is held inside your body. The amount ranges from 30-50% of your erect length. Releasing the ligament takes the anchor point away and more of the penis can be exposed. The doctor said that gains are typically 1-2 inches erect and flacid after his post operative instructions have been followed. Honestly, I would be happy with just an inch.

>Releasing the ligament takes the anchor point away and more of the penis can be exposed.

The inner part of the penis is well anchored inside the pelvis. Stretching or snipping ligs won’t let the whole thing move forward. Making the ligs longer or cutting them will allow the shaft an unimpeded (or much less impeded) line outward from its base. But, once the ligs are long enough to no longer be a factor, further stretching them or cutting them will not result in a length increase. For that you’d have to lengthen the shaft itself.

>The doctor said that gains are typically 1-2 inches erect and flacid after his post operative instructions have been followed. Honestly, I would be happy with just an inch.

Are these numbers from guys who put in some good PE effort before having surgery?

Edit: Changed the first paragraph in an attempt to make my point clearer. :)

After years of PE, my exit point is as low as can be. When measuring bone pressed, I can actually push my ligs between the top of my penis and the bottom of my pubic bone by just a little bit. Try this flaccid and then try it hard. You will see what I mean. When erect, most guys don’t have any room in that “in between” space.

We are arguing that for someone like me, cutting the ligs would not result in a longer bone pressed erect length.

Originally Posted by penismith
After years of PE, my exit point is as low as can be. When measuring bone pressed, I can actually push my ligs between the top of my penis and the bottom of my pubic bone by just a little bit. Try this flaccid and then try it hard. You will see what I mean. When erect, most guys don’t have any room in that “in between” space.

We are arguing that for someone like me, cutting the ligs would not result in a longer bone pressed erect length.


I see what you mean. I don’t have a low LOT or a low exit point. I think for some, the ligaments are just less inclined to stretch and I was never able to expose all of my inner penis. The surgery should help because it doesn’t matter how resilient your ligs are if they get detached.

I thought they only snip the side ligs and leave the top ones for you to stretch with their own stretcher/hanger? Or is this a completely another kind of an operation?


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I think they snip the suspensory lig and leave the fundiform alone. I’m not positive.

Originally Posted by hobby
I think they snip the suspensory lig and leave the fundiform alone. I’m not positive.

No, there both snipped and burned.


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