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I am having the PE surgery done in 2 weeks

Originally Posted by crashhex
I have 2 post-op pics up.

Thanks for the links. Why so few blurred pics?

>I continue to PE, and WANT IT TO BE KNOWN THAT NATURAL PE DOES NOT HAVE TO STOP IN ANY WAY AFTER SURGERY. Why, well the same reason why dino9x7, or other already endowed members pe, because they can make it bigger. I’ve been around here long enough, and have learned you can make it bigger, improve blood flow etc. <
4 hour erections are a bad plan, but you know that right?

So the point your making is that surgery is just a minor help along the way, not a be all and end all.

I get the point that surgery needs to be followed by by some NPE to make the most of it (don’t quite see how that works with girth but length I get).

>This shit (natural PE) is for real and works! So, the question is, why wouldn’t I? I took it easy at first, learned my limitations, and there were none. I continue to make gains, I had a 4 hour erection the other day. I wake up with boners from hell.<

I think the question is why would you. Personally I like to be able to use my dick for sex and there reaches a point where it becomes less useful the more you gain, I think. Certainly a really big dick (within reasonable limits) can be a turn on for a one night stand but it can almost be an impediment for a relationship.

Originally Posted by crashhex
No, there both snipped and burned.

All the ligs are cut away? Damn. I’ve heard reports of guys having erections that flopped around after surgery. I guess that’s why - nothing remains to support the shaft.

That would be just spooky. You could freak out some people with a dick like that.

Originally Posted by memento
That would be just spooky. You could freak out some people with a dick like that.

Perhaps they should just cut the ligs, remove the entire 30% to 50% of “inner penis,” and design some sort of device that allows you to screw or hook it back on to your pelvis. Then you could inflate it into an “erection” and put it to work!

:D

Originally Posted by 8-Ball
The length gain from surgery is entirely different. For NPE you must actually lengthen the ligament whereas with the surgery the dick itself isn’t lengthened, you merely pull your inner penis outside of your body which is done by separating the suspensory and fundiform ligaments from the pubic bone.

Have you discussed with your surgeon that you used to do NPE? If so, what did he have to say about this? Did he perhaps mention other patients of his who practiced NPE before coming to him, and still gained erect length through the procedure?

Just how much erect length did you gain from your years of NPE?

Originally Posted by motivated
Perhaps they should just cut the ligs, remove the entire 30% to 50% of “inner penis,” and design some sort of device that allows you to screw or hook it back on to your pelvis. Then you could inflate it into an “erection” and put it to work!

:D


Let me explain something, the penis is not entirely detached from the pelvis. No surgeon can completely cut the suspensory lig, there are nerves located at the back of the ligaments that the surgeons want to avoid. The penis does not flop around. Think of it this way, if the patient could hang a bath towel from his erection without deflection pre-op, he could hang a hand towel with the same persistence post-op. STOP spreading unaccountable crap!


"Crazy dancin! Making my penis sore!"

- Dave Chapelle

I had the lengthening surgery some 3 years ago. Not all of the ligaments are cut or your dick would flop around. The towel analogy is exactly how my doctor described it and how it worked out… instead of being at a higher angle erect I am more straight out and flexible. At least for me this has been a good since I used to be erect at such a high angle it was uncomfortable for example for the girl to be on top facing away. 8-Ball here’s my take on the surgery. I did it before doing a whole lot of research (other than to make sure I was with one of the handful of really good surgeons performing this procedure, Dr. Reid in miami). So I had not visited any forums and had done zero PE. I knew I wasnt happy and wanted to take a chance on the surgery. My big regret is that I had not taken many measurements myself and the doctor really only took one angle before the surgery… and you’ll find angles make a big difference.

The surgery was fine… that first night was kind of painful but nothing extreme or that tylenol pm couldnt handle. One of the advances in knowledge over the years is that post operatively you need to start hanging right away… this was tough with the surgery still healing but manageable. In the early days of the surgery you were not rushed into hanging and what happened to many guys was that after surgery scarring would develop and instead of getting longer they actually lost length (there’s a website by the guy who sells trac-man where he talks about his experience). Anyway a few months after the surgery my dr. re-measured and showed a gain of 5/8”. Over the course of the year I hung regulary but not as much as I should have (for example I found it hard to have anything on all night). My Dr. recommended the Grip system which is not popular on the forum but which i liked, its just not good for alot of weight. I would say in the end my gain was something like 1 inch. I have stopped all PE since and have been happy with the results. I would do it again but I would say the following. 1) results vary widely and I think alot has to do with how your penis/ligaments are structured, My Dr. said dont expect more than 3/8” just from the surgery and I think thats a good bet. 2) there is alot of post-operative work involved it seems like you already PE so that shouldnt be that tough, I am lazy as hell 3) this is by no means scientific but if I am sitting, kind of leaning back erect… its where I can see the gains. I used to be able to press down at the base of my penis against my body and say if I were only this big… I cant press down anymore thats my size now. Let me know if that makes sense. On the other hand standing up erect its hard to see much gain.

BIM

Good luck 8-Ball.

Cub1961


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Originally Posted by crashhex
Let me explain something, the penis is not entirely detached from the pelvis. No surgeon can completely cut the suspensory lig, there are nerves located at the back of the ligaments that the surgeons want to avoid. The penis does not flop around. Think of it this way, if the patient could hang a bath towel from his erection without deflection pre-op, he could hang a hand towel with the same persistence post-op. STOP spreading unaccountable crap!


Thank you. I imagine that these guys heard of all these problems from someone who didn’t even have the damn surgery and dogmatically propagate them. When done properly, the surgery doesn’t alter the look, feel, or function of your penis, except for the added size.

BTW, I did mention my PE experience to the surgeon and he said it is a good thing to have a penis that is conditioned prior to the surgery, he said that the conditioning, along with my prior knowledge will help the physiotherapy (the medical term for NPE) after the surgery.

Biginmiami, did you do any PE (manual, hanging or whatever) before having surgery?

Edit: I noticed rereading your post that you said you didn’t do any PE. It was hard to notice without more paragraphs. :)

“STOP spreading unaccountable crap!”

This doesn’t help crash.

“I imagine that these guys heard of all these problems from someone who didn’t even have the damn surgery and dogmatically propagate them.”

Neither does this.

A question. Why is there a shortage of after pics? Seems that if these procedures were really that great there would be a ton of pics floating around in cyberspace. More guys that have had the surgery and were proud to show their results kinda thing.


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Originally Posted by ThunderSS
“STOP spreading unaccountable crap!”

This doesn’t help crash.

“I imagine that these guys heard of all these problems from someone who didn’t even have the damn surgery and dogmatically propagate them.”

Neither does this.

A question. Why is there a shortage of after pics? Seems that if these procedures were really that great there would be a ton of pics floating around in cyberspace. More guys that have had the surgery and were proud to show their results kinda thing.


Very good point with the picture thing, although I don’t see the harm in what you quoted from me. That guy was denouncing the surgery based upon pure speculation. However, the same argument can be said about NPE. There are only a tiny handful of guys who can prove their gains with good pictures yet everyone here is gaining and believes in it for the most part.

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
“STOP spreading unaccountable crap!”

This doesn’t help crash.

“I imagine that these guys heard of all these problems from someone who didn’t even have the damn surgery and dogmatically propagate them.”

Neither does this.

A question. Why is there a shortage of after pics? Seems that if these procedures were really that great there would be a ton of pics floating around in cyberspace. More guys that have had the surgery and were proud to show their results kinda thing.


They can’t all be into pics, like we are here. I would say 99% of men that have had this surgery certainly don’t belong to a forum where proof is demanded. Most men that have this surgery dissapear after, certainly if it’s as bad as the rumors it would be in the news much like silicone breast implants in the early 90’s. I have personally examined length surgery recipients, and it’s a beautiful thing. I make these statements from experience, and proper knowledge. I guess I just get a little annoyed by the misnomers.


"Crazy dancin! Making my penis sore!"

- Dave Chapelle

Well you guys seem to avoid going into in depth discussion about the girth procedure like it was the plague :) I think most would agree that if done properly the lengthening procedure yields some gain,even if it is only a fraction of an inch,the girth procedure however is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to determine whether it is a)safe b)effective c)applies to both erect and flaccid size. I have been watching this thread anxiously awaiting some useful information regarding expected girth,what the doctor claims,etc,etc but it seems not to be of interest.odd indeed!

Oh yea,and regarding the porn dicks being surgically enlarged,I have thought the same thing myself,seems to be a large percentage of wide shafts with smaller heads in alot of porn I have seen.I know this occurs naturally too,but I too get the feeling that alot of these guys have been worked on,thats pure speculation,but you should keep an eye out for it next time your catching a flick.

Just my .02

Good 2c.

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