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Deflated Glans and Firm Flaccid: Pelvic Floor Dysfunction

Are there any options for treating this pelvic condition that do not involve a specific pelvic therapist? Apparently there are none in Sydney, Australia.


Starting Stats - 5.5 NBPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 5.7 NBPEL x 6.2 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

Originally Posted by Tweaking
Trigger point therapy certainly doesn’t seem to be explainable online. One of the books mentioned in this guide to curing this problem is probably sufficient though.

http://forum.hardflaccid.org/discus…ohs-guide-v.3.2

Candy Man soft glans/CS is effectively caused by the same thing as firm flaccid. There’s a lots of muscles in that area and they all affect the penis differently. Some people only have soft glans/CS, others only have the hard flaccid, others have both, it just depends on which muscles in the individual are freaking out the worst.

so we have actually pinpointed the problem for soft glans now?

I never really fixed mine and of course this is ridiculously important news to me you don’t even know how much

I read and reread that thread and it just seemed to be a discussion of yoga exercises? then the thread mostly turned into general healthy living. Afterwards Technical calling out the guide’s dubious conception and credibility. I guess I expected a step by step routine with specific exercises and instructions to follow, maybe this was simplified too much during the guide’s revisions.

Just noticed it mainly recommends Bikram Yoga as the main cure, I completely iffy on someone recommending something you can only get through a paid class.

I’m more interested in CystaProtek and the ProstaQ supplements mentioned, anyone mind sending Technical and Epoh a pm? or anyone know if it worked for them?

Originally Posted by sob09
Try some dmso+iodine+magnesium solution applied to anus & PC muscle after shower everyday then some
DMSO+Paba solution over penis shaft plus neck and glans head. After the DMSO+Paba rub Vit-e from 1x 400iu vit-e gel over penis shaft plus neck and glans head.

If no improvement after 2 weeks, add in Pentox 2-3 400mg pills a day .

Are you claiming to have done this to yourself and it work?

Originally Posted by lowgrow
so we have actually pinpointed the problem for soft glans now?

I never really fixed mine and of course this is ridiculously important news to me you don’t even know how much

I read and reread that thread and it just seemed to be a discussion of yoga exercises? then the thread mostly turned into general healthy living. Afterwards Technical calling out the guide’s dubious conception and credibility. I guess I expected a step by step routine with specific exercises and instructions to follow, maybe this was simplified too much during the guide’s revisions.

Just noticed it mainly recommends Bikram Yoga as the main cure, I completely iffy on someone recommending something you can only get through a paid class.

I’m more interested in CystaProtek and the ProstaQ supplements mentioned, anyone mind sending Technical and Epoh a pm? or anyone know if it worked for them?

The hardflaccid forum certainly isn’t perfect, most of the useful information is still hidden across monster threads. The actual guide is still in the making, epoh’s guide is not the final guide I think.

By the way, the steps to curing this problem, from what I can tell, involve the following:

1. Lots of spare time
2. Daily meditation/relaxation
3. Daily stretches of the upper leg, lower back, hip and pelvic floor muscles (some or all depending on the person)
4. Daily self applied internal and external trigger point release
5. Eat and drink well and take fish oil and some other supplements to help with muscle relaxation like magnesium and calcium
6. Repeat every day for 2 - 12 months

[QUOTE=Tweaking]
Are you claiming to have done this to yourself and it work?

I’ve progressed wouldn’t say cured but came along way. I’ve had all the symptoms on this thread title plus severe peyronies disease which only a penile implant was the only treatment at one point. I’ve dealt with these symptoms since teens well over a decade.

At the worst point, I couldn’t achieve erection, lost 1 1/2” length, 3/4” girth. Right side was completely numb and had a jagged physical appearance like as if someone had taking bites out of it. Glans head was always soft and shrunk by over 100%. Base had shrunk which caused baseball bat appearance and right base CC was completely buckled. Constant automatic PC muscle & anal contractions for no reason. These contractions would increase greatly apon masturbation and even more so if the glans head experienced physical contact which caused instant premature ejaculation. It felt like it was constantly tensing up in this lower region and to the point it made it difficult to urinate and sleep at night due to the constant tension. This was due to hard condensed scarring over the years since young teen due to extreme stupidity of overdoing jelking, PC muscle clenches, rubberband at base for too long a period.

On top of that I have post orgasmic illness syndrome and mercury poisoning.

The dmso mix massages has helped soften the scarring which helped with venous leakage. Plus applying the DMSO+iodine+magnesium mix to the PC muscle area finally stopped the automatic contractions after 3-4 months of daily use and eliminated the premature ejaculation. The pentox is routinely used by peyronies disease sufferers on the official peyronies disease forum and is the main treatment for Peyronies to help soften scarring and also prevent hard flacid turning into peyronies in long run. I mention peyronies because before having peyronies the warning signs were turtling up, soften glans, hard flaccid, smaller flacid etc then came the peyronies disease which takes along time to treat.

I have found that increasing my total testosterone levels to the top range 1000ng/dl helps overall with venous leakage, fuller softer flaccid plus erections and increased libido. A few others have experienced the same positive results however once their bodies acclimatized to the new higher testosterone levels dissapeared. I have found that more often testosterone injections from once a week to 3x a week help maintain the benefits and also closely monitoring blood testosterone and estradiol levels. I also use DHT gel 3-5x a week with the dmso and apply two small pea sized blobs into the penile base, neck and glans head area. I find it improves erection strength and possibly may have helped me gain back the size I lost.

Before the DMSO +Paba massage my experiences with quadmix were unsuccessful however I have had a extremely positive experience just recently with quadmix providing an erection lasting nearly 3hours. Considering that my usual erection lasts 10seconds without stimulation and also the past failed several experiments with quadmix I would have to point to the DMSO mix massages, pentox etc for causing the recent success with quadmix.

I have gained back a full inch of length & 3/4” girth with the dmso mix massages, pentox, optimizing hormones and regular use of cialis in small doses 5-10mg.

I would recommend the DMSO+Iodine+mag massaged around PC muscle, anus area if you experience random contractions, premature ejaculation or if there is any tension in this area.

The Dmso+Paba+vit e is best for hard flaccid, soft glans head and peyronies. Add in pentox 2-3x a day, cialis 5-10mg EoD. Check your total+free/bioavailable testosterone blood test, estradiol blood, shbg blood, prolactin blood and -1 blood or Urine HGH.

My next stage of treatment is adding some verapamil into my penile injections as there has been a few reports of verapamil completely dissolving peyronies scars. Iam thinking of starting of with small 2mg dose and add it into my quadmix to achieve long lasting erection and then slowly & lightly jelk with the DMSO+Paba solution and then lastly a vit e massage. If I can do this 2-3x a week it may be possible to get rid of the majority of the scarring.

That’s an awful lot of information to take in. It sounds like you’ve suffered from several major ailments: Peyronies, hard flaccid/soft glans, mercury poisoning and post-orgasmic illness syndrome. I don’t mean to be unfairly skeptical but I have some questions:

How did you get Paba and DHT? Did your doctor prescribe them for your Peyronies?

How did you come to trying to apply these substances with the DMSO?

You mention ‘venous leakage’, a term I thought we had dispelled for the purposes of this thread: what do you mean by venous leakage, is that separate to your firm flaccid/soft glans? How exactly would testosterone help? You mention ‘a few others have experienced the same positive results’, who are you talking about?

When you say massaging the PC muscle, exactly where are you massaging? It’s not an easy muscle to reach. In fact, what exactly do you mean by the PC muscle?

It may be easier to only talk about the stuff relating to firm flaccid/soft glans and how you fixed that; this thread is not designed to be discussing Peyronies or balancing testosterone levels or general EQ, except where incidental of course.

Originally Posted by Tweaking
That’s an awful lot of information to take in. It sounds like you’ve suffered from several major ailments: Peyronies, hard flaccid/soft glans, mercury poisoning and post-orgasmic illness syndrome. I don’t mean to be unfairly skeptical but I have some questions:

How did you get Paba and DHT? Did your doctor prescribe them for your Peyronies?

How did you come to trying to apply these substances with the DMSO?

You mention ‘venous leakage’, a term I thought we had dispelled for the purposes of this thread: what do you mean by venous leakage, is that separate to your firm flaccid/soft glans? How exactly would testosterone help? You mention ‘a few others have experienced the same positive results’, who are you talking about?

When you say massaging the PC muscle, exactly where are you massaging? It’s not an easy muscle to reach. In fact, what exactly do you mean by the PC muscle?

It may be easier to only talk about the stuff relating to firm flaccid/soft glans and how you fixed that; this thread is not designed to be discussing Peyronies or balancing testosterone levels or general EQ, except where incidental of course.

Paba I purchased from :
http://purebulk.com/

Dht gel purchased from http://www.allsaintsclinic.org

Dmso iodine & mag was from a thread on this section. Dmso Paba came from peyronies forum, PE+pge-1 enlargement thread at professionalmuscle.com/forum and chempe. Com

From my experience during initial stages of hard flaccid/soft glans venous leak did not work occur straight away. Venous leak only started to decrease erection length of time once the peyronies developed into hard condensed scars. At its worse my erection would start to go limp within 5seconds sometimes less than that almost straight away if I did not keep up stimulation or hold onto the base with thumb and index finger.

I think the 2 are linked as I notice erections last longer and are much harder when the scars are softer and more elastic.

Quick google search on trt and venous leak. I have read several other studies over the years and also discussed testosterone improving venous leak with fellow venous leak sufferers on various forums from steroid/bodybuilding, trimix injection, anti aging forums
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/…0705.x/abstract

Taking testosterone and dht seems to make the penile tissue more softer, fuller and more elastic. Possibly these local tissues require more hormones than previously due to the damage done here in causing a physical tissue change. All I know is that I can achieve an erection when on testosterone/dht and Iam unable too without.

I apply dmso+iodine+magnesium mix on the outer area between testes and anal area, actually on the anus is great if you experience tension here or random contractions. It also decreased precum flooding which I use to suffer terribly from, it is not nearly quite as severe.

I still suffer from hard flaccid and soft glans but not quite as severe.

If these methods has helped me gain back lost size, shape, soften/dissolved years of peyronies scars, progressed on venous leak then it would make sense that it would help someone with just hard flaccid/soft glans head. If I had known about these methods during the initial stages of hard flaccid/soft glans Iam certain peyronies/venous leak/ed/loss of size etc would not have occured.

Small changes in estradiol as low as 10pts north or south can effect ones ability to achieve an erection. I’ve read it countless times over the years on various forums, mindmuscle,meso, anabolicminds and many more. Estradiol goes hand in hand with testosterone and dht. Iam 28 and small levels of change effect my erection ability greatly I wonder if people who have suffered from hard flaccid, soft glans have actually damaged their penile tissue by overdoing PE exercises causing depression lowering testosterone levels and then affecting the hard flaccid even more so. Like an on going vicious circle if you will. Only way to know is have the correct hormone protocol tested.

Some folk seem to get better on their own just by taking time and of and resting. Others never seem to get better and are still looking for the cure yrs later. I guess it just depends on ones biochemistry, genetic and damage that was done. Similar to how some folk can do extremely high doses of steroids for years on end and still recover healthy natural testosterone levels where as other folk do 1 light steroid cycle and have permanantly damaged their HPTA and libido/EQ etc

The irony is that jelking, rubber band/cock ring, kegels is what caused my peyronies, venous leak, loss of size, ed, p.e, automatic contractions etc yet jelking with dmso+paba softens my peyronies scars and the use of cock ring eliminates venous leak.

AWESOME information Sob09. Do you think how you apply the mix of the DMSO and other chemicals is better by the anal region versus directly on the penis?

Originally Posted by ironaddict69
AWESOME information Sob09. Do you think how you apply the mix of the DMSO and other chemicals is better by the anal region versus directly on the penis?

Thankyou ironaddict69.Actually as written above the Dmso 70% gel, iodine & magnesium is applied around the anal region and the Dmso 70% gel, Paba and vit e gel I apply around the whole penile shaft, base, glans neck and head. I massage and lightly jelk with this cocktail for around 30mins.I require alot of mix due to the my heavily dense peyronies scars so I use around 1/3tsp of Paba about 700mg and a couple squish of dmso gel to make the solution into a liquid not too thick or too watery otherwise if the solution is too thick some of the Paba won’t get through the penile tissues and you will see the paba powder appear on the external skin and if its too watery just a waste of dmso gel.

The vit e is not mixed into the Dmso & paba as it may block the absorption. I break a 400-1000iu vit e gel containing complete e-family of tocopherols & tocotrienols and massage that all over the penile tissues after the dmso and paba jelk. It quickens recovery from any skin irritation from the dmso and also seems to make the scars more elastic and I tend to have stronger morning erections since adding in this form of topically applied vit e.

I also add dht gel to the massage and jelk 3-5x a week. I have low testosterone to dht conversion from my bloodwork and urine hormone analysis and high testosterone to estradiol conversion.

I have added some magnesium and iodine drops onto the dmso paba penile mix. I had good success with magnesium and iodine applied on the anal region releasing tension, reducing precum greatly and eliminating random contractions & PE. Also I will try 2x a day mix massages and see if it furthur improves my condition.

I started the DMSO and paba thing recently, already having good results. Thank you for the follow up post.

Originally Posted by ironaddict69
I started the DMSO and paba thing recently, already having good results. Thank you for the follow up post.

Can you describe the results you got? How do you use the DMSO & PABA? Apply on the shaft? Which DMSO are you using?

I may try some iodine & DMSO & magnesium on my anus, if my help releasing the tension I have in that area.

Soft glans is caused directly from muscle spasm for sure.

I noticed that while taking a shit and getting an erection I can get my glans to inflate, I presume that while shitting I’m stretching and relaxing my inner pelvis which allows me to trap blood in the glans, although I’ve only seem this phenomena while semi erected, can someone try the next time your in the toilet? Yeah, I engage an erection and then push shit out, I can see my glans inflate like I never seen them before.

I’ve seen what my muscle tightness is doing to my penis, a therapist confirmed that I’m very cramped inside and that my pelvic floor is always clenched, I need to learn how to relax there, lengthen my muscles (ischios) and retrieve balance and good posture.

Guys with this problem (and without), try to get an erection standing, bend forward from your lower back while keeping your chest out, see how that influence your erection, now while staying in that position, band your knees and see what happens, in the end, straighten up (weight put on glutes ,hamstrings, and heels) and watch your erection. What is happening?

If you do the same thing while flaccid (bending forward like this), does your semi turtles a lot? Like inner shaft is pulling from within and your flaccid becomes half of it’s size?

I really think that my condition also causes premature ejaculation, I can’t control my ejaculation at all while having sex! I think the reason is cause I’m clenching without noticing.


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Guys, I recently received a book I ordered from Amazon called “The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook” by Clair Davies. It is an excellent read for anyone with this problem (or anyone who has pain anywhere in their body!). Clair Davies was a medical layman who came across the trigger point tomes known as “Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual” Volumes 1 and 2 (The Red Books) by Drs. Janet Travell and David Simons and got so interested he decided to write something that was more digestible to non-medical professionals so that they would be able to treat themselves.

I Googled the Red Book volume 2 (using the proper name) and found it available for download in an ebook format (it costs over $100 to purchase the entire book, and since we’re only interested in it for a single chapter…). The relevant chapter discusses at length and completely explains the anatomy of the pelvic region and even how surrounding regions such as the lower back, lower abdomen and upper legs can affect muscles of the pelvis and perineum. It then goes on to list various treatments for the internal trigger points found in this area. Treatments listed include tripper point massage, injection, stretching ultrasound and others.

I happen to own an ultrasound machine (which I originally purchased to experiment with heating during PE) but never thought to try using for this injury. The book states in one trial of people complaining of chronic pelvic muscle pain, after several weeks of treatment with ultrasound for 10 minutes twice a day (or thereabouts, I forget exactly), 75% of patients saw a significant reduction in symptoms. So that sounds pretty good to me and in a week or so I shall endevour to try it for myself.

Originally Posted by Tweaking
Guys, I recently received a book I ordered from Amazon called “The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook” by Clair Davies. It is an excellent read for anyone with this problem (or anyone who has pain anywhere in their body!). Clair Davies was a medical layman who came across the trigger point tomes known as “Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual” Volumes 1 and 2 (The Red Books) by Drs. Janet Travell and David Simons and got so interested he decided to write something that was more digestible to non-medical professionals so that they would be able to treat themselves.

I Googled the Red Book volume 2 (using the proper name) and found it available for download in an ebook format (it costs over $100 to purchase the entire book, and since we’re only interested in it for a single chapter.). The relevant chapter discusses at length and completely explains the anatomy of the pelvic region and even how surrounding regions such as the lower back, lower abdomen and upper legs can affect muscles of the pelvis and perineum. It then goes on to list various treatments for the internal trigger points found in this area. Treatments listed include tripper point massage, injection, stretching ultrasound and others.

I happen to own an ultrasound machine (which I originally purchased to experiment with heating during PE) but never thought to try using for this injury. The book states in one trial of people complaining of chronic pelvic muscle pain, after several weeks of treatment with ultrasound for 10 minutes twice a day (or thereabouts, I forget exactly), 75% of patients saw a significant reduction in symptoms. So that sounds pretty good to me and in a week or so I shall endevour to try it for myself.

What did the machine run you? I look forward to seeing if this helps. I bet using that for heat before sessions heated the tissue MUCH deeper than an IR light or anything else, correct? I had them used on me for an injury before.

I don’t use ultrasound with patients as hands/pressure/friction work better in all but the freshest injuries. If it’s too early to use hands it’s usually too early to treat an injury anyway. I am talking shoulders, knees etc. here.


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Random thought, could this be why valium actually acts as an erection booster for me? It is a very potent muscle relaxant…


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