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Rethinking PE-Theory

Originally Posted by ticktickticker

You are kidding modesto. The guys with the tunica incision had decreased rigidity and hourglass deformity.

Not kidding. Just informing. It’s one possible way to go, perhaps. Of course, I would never do it or recommend that anyone else do it. You’ll see that the technique I linked to is meant as a treatment for Peyronie’s disease, where there is already a deformity.


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Originally Posted by ticktickticker

Remember - modestoman - that the tunica is attached to the glans on the one end and to the pubic bone on the other end. Therefore you may well pull out some inner dick due to your pe efforts but measurable length difference necessarily results from tunica and lig lengthening.

Actually, the tunica is attached to the glans at one end and the ischiopubic rami at the other. The pubic symphysis intercepts the tunica along the middle, but it is not the end point.


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Originally Posted by ticktickticker

Thunder - did I just commit suicide or is this a forum where everyone is allowed to state his opinion?

You’re not the first person to be critical of Bib.

Regarding your committing suicide on the forum, and not to answer for Thunder, but the general rule around here is that it’s perfectly acceptable to attack an idea but it is not allowed or acceptable to attack a person.

So, your comments are certainly within bounds.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
the general rule around here is that it’s perfectly acceptable to attack an idea but it is not allowed or acceptable to attack a person.

I’ve learned that at thundersplace that that can be a fine line ;)

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
What initially lead me to think this, however, was seeing my own pelvic MRI, in which it was clear that the corpora cavernosa were much narrower under my pubic symphysis than anywhere else. This lead to an idea that growth might be concentrated there, and that that area may represent a weak point.

I’ve achieved results that could probably contribute to the exploration of that theory:

I have veins on either side of my penis that started off below the fat-pad. Over time they’ve migrated along the shaft. At first they sat just in front of the fat-pad, but they’ve continued to advance along the shaft.

At least in theory, maybe some kind of comparison of how far they’ve advanced along the shaft with total gains achieved would go some way towards indicating whether and/or where gains might be localised. In practice however there might be too many variables for it to give an accurate indication (e.g. variables such as where they were originally, i.e. were they original below or in line with the pelvic bone, or were they just below the fat-pad etc.)

Migration of these blood vessels might even be offered as physiological proof of the efficacy of hanging for length gains in terms acceptable to the medical community (although I’m sure that even the most overtly skeptical physician knows natural PE is absolutely possible, and that it’s not lack of reliable data that prevents comment)

I originally thought that it was an indication that the inner penis being pulled free was the main cause of length gains, but I guess it could very well be faster localised gains (I’m not sure any of us can really say for certain).

I’ve been searching for diagrams of the the vascular and arterial system of the penis to illustrate. These are from a page linked to in the wiki.

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Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-15-2006 at .

Further to my last post: On closer inspection it seems those veins are definitely becoming elongated, which might suggest growth along the entire length of the shaft rather than a localised growth. They now stretch diagonally forward (in relation to the shaft when held straight out as when taking a bone-pressed measurement), as opposed to wrapping around the side of the shaft laterally.

Again this is probably an area where there’ll probably be quite a few variables from person to person so I’m not sure just how useful the information is, but it’s here for the record for better or worse.


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Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-15-2006 at .

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Jelqbeginner, -

It’s not only about mechanics but also about biology:

Mechanics: plastic and elastic deformation, fibre rupture
Biology: cell division and collagen production, repair mechanism

Totally, forgive me, I’m just a social sciences/humanities kinda guy that knows nothing about real science etc etc but by me using the word mechanics I meant all aspects of PE and how it works


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Thanks thunder and modesto for clarifying.

I was certainly not intending to offend bib nor anybody else. Again, I do admire the veterans: we current pe-ers are just dwarfs sitting on the shoulders of giants.

Bib certainly one of those giants.

Respect!

Ttt

Regarding the ongoing discussion I am in a little hurry right now but will answer as soon as possible.


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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic
Further to my last post: On closer inspection it seems those veins are definitely becoming elongated, which might suggest growth along the entire length of the shaft rather than a localised growth. They now stretch diagonally forward (in relation to the shaft when held straight out as when taking a bone-pressed measurement), as opposed to wrapping around the side of the shaft laterally.

Again this is probably an area where there’ll probably be quite a few variables from person to person so I’m not sure just how useful the information is, but it’s here for the record for better or worse.

Sorry for the multiple posts on this topic but it’s a topic I’m interested in (not least because I’d rather continue with my BigHanger than drop $89 dollars for a Vacu-hanger).

I’ve taken another look and it seems that the extent to which the veins have progressed along my shaft far exceeds the small extent to which they seem to have become elongated (it seems on closer inspection that their not quite diagonal as I’d previously posted, but rather more similar to their original shape).

It’s been on my mind that this migration might indicate that most gains come from the pulling free of the inner penis (which might be a reason for gains eventually slowing to a stop), although I guess if there is a weak point it may very well be the point at which gains manifest (although would that not mean it would eventually become conditioned).

Also— it seems to me that mitosis etc. probably wouldn’t start to occur until the onset of elastic/plastic deformation due to the fact that up until that point there’d still be ‘give’ left in the structure. Maybe the slowed gains might have something to do with exhausting the potentiality for making gains through the pulling free of the inner penis. The difference between where my veins were and where they are now is quite considerable.

How many other people have prominent veins? I’m referring to these in particular (the ones that curve round the shaft laterally (i.e. from top (dorsal side) to bottom (underside))… Migrating Veins.JPG

Have they moved? If you’ve not noticed them before, can you see them now and how far up the shaft are they? Is there a clear gap between the veins and your fat-pad?


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Originally Posted by all4show
I was working out today and I was thinking of PE in sauna. It occurred to me….

What do think the success rate would be if there were 50,000 guys on a site trying to become able to do the splits? How long do you think it would take? How much do you think your ligaments would have to grow to make it happen? Would they have to grow?

Just a thought.

Tick,

I can’t help but notice my post was not commented on. I think it is a valid comparison.

1. If I went from tired old bunched-up ex-athlete - to a being able to putting my hands flat on the ground with my legs straight and being able to do the splits.

2. Is this similar to stretching the penis?

3. By increasing my flexibility do my ligament grow? Does the muscle grow / lengthen? Or does it become more stretchy or both?

4. I think I could achieve increased flexibility with 30 minutes a day, certainly not 10 hours of hanging?

Mr. Fantastic,

I’ve also noticed the fact that my dorsal veins appear to have moved forward. I recall that they used to diverge just beyond the exit point where my penis exited my abdomen. Now, they appear to diverge farther down the shaft (about 1”, which corresponds exactly to my length gains).

Still, I’m a bit uncertain. My memory might be wrong. Also, I now shave my shaft now whereas in the past I did not. So, maybe it just appears that my veins have shifted. Or, maybe my hair has pulled forward along my shaft as I’ve gained. We need more data!


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 11-15-2006 at .

I too have hair on my shaft now, but I can’t remember whether or not it was always there or if I just noticed it because I’ve been paying closer attention and have heard it mentioned by other people on the forum.

As for my dorsal vein I can absolutely confirm without a shadow of a doubt that it’s branches have progressed along my shaft.

The vein on the left side was originally more pronounced (quite large, and shaped — if you excuse the metaphor — like a ‘fat little grub’). It was so pronounced it immediately got my attention as soon as it emerged from my fat-pad and I didn’t even realise at first that I also had one on the other side.

At first it would appear and disappear in and out of my fat-pad as I PEed, until it eventually stayed put outside of the pad (curled around the shaft against the fat pad). It was around that time that I noticed I had one on both sides. Eventually they caused me to increase my base-girth measurement (I used to measure it with the tape measure just lightly wrapped), but they kept progressing until I had to reduce my base-girth statistic and post an apology and explanation for the stat-reduction (it’s nothing to do with the link in my sig— that’s a second more recent stat-reduction due to the fact that I’m measuring base-girth with a much tighter tape-measure now)).

They seem to be a little less pronounced now and I think they may have become a little elongated but the amount they’ve moved corresponds with my gains (in fact they seem further up the shaft than my gains suggest they should be.)

The diagrams I’ve seen suggest that the first branch on either side is more pronounced. I’m not sure to what extent that might be artistic licence or if that should be taken as an indication of absolute fact, but basically the only two I’ve noticed (one on either side) or have ever really been able to discern seem to be the first branching (also the branch on the left side is more pronounced but I’d imagine that’s just co-incidence)

I’m preparing a post that summarises the best advice I can basically give anyone on hanging and put the following pictures together for inclusion in the post to illustrate my view of what might cause gains (I find your suggestion that there might be a weak point where all the production takes place to be very interesting— do you not think it’d end up becoming conditioned and therefore unable to yield ongoing gains? I’d assumed from what I’ve seen of my own veins that the gains may be more or less solely due to the pulling free of the inner penis).

Here’s the picture (if you have feedback on the picture or any of the above I’d be very interested):

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Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-15-2006 at .

I think that if you use a bib hanger there is a lot of skin pull and that explains why the veins migrate.

Again: to pull out your inner dick you need the space between your glans and the bones, the tunica attachments on both ends.

Whether - while stretching and elongating the tunica you are pulling out your inner dick, increasing the size of the chambers of the corpora or whether there is a lot of mitosis - I truly don’t no. I would assume that it is a combination of all, however pulling the inner dick out appears to be least likely and least contributing.

Imagine an mri before and after 3 years of pe and let’s say 2 inches of length increase. Would you believe that there would be 2 inches less inner dick (corpora hidden inside your body)?

Nope, I would bet 10:1, but it would be hard to prove.

Best regard and thanks for contributing to this thread.

Thunder - thanks for beeing tolerant.

Ttt


Later - ttt

.. Of course your inner dick is stretched a little as well, such as the outer dick. But it is not walking out of your body *s*


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All4show - I am not sure what you mean ‘to become able to do the splits?’

Remember english is not my first language.

Sorry

Ttt


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