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Could it be that the guys who are experiencing this stretched the tunica at a rate more rapid than the smooth muscle growth/development?

It may yet need to catch up?


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No, I don’t think so. If one clamps, they can reach a penile circumference that exceeds that of their best un-clamped erection and the difference isn’t solely due to fluid build up. I don’t reach my maximum tunica volume during an un-clamped 100% erection and I am not entirely sure why but I think that penile skeletal muscle probably has a lot to do with it.

Originally Posted by penismith
I have thought a lot about this as well. My circimfrence is larger with an 80% erection than it is with a 100% erection.

penismith - The Penis (smooth) Muscle Theory

Both penile skeletal muscle and the tunica are regulators erectile geometry and volume.

This is so for me as well.

Interesting to me is that morning wood is nearly always a quarter to a third inch thicker than a regular erection, in spite of length being 100 percent at that time. I’m wondering if, while the parasympathetic nervous system is in control (rather than the sympathetic while fully conscious) the tunica is somehow caused to relax or stetch more.


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avocet8

Are you sure it’s not a smooth muscle response? The tunica is a fairly dumb tissue, as I see it. Muscles are much more nuanced.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Are you sure it’s not a smooth muscle response? The tunica is a fairly dumb tissue, as I see it. Muscles are much more nuanced.

If, as has been suggested, the tunica is the controlling and limiting barrier, it is conceivable that the cavernosal chambers could take more blood than normal - once the smooth muscle relaxes - if the tunica also relaxed or stretches more.

Both penismith and I have noticed that an 80 percent erection is fatter than a full-bore erection; nocturnal erections are usually thicker also for me. (I think Dino has commented in the past on this as well.) There may be some factor, some endothelial cell chemistry going on during the construction of some erections or in stages of them? that causes the tunica to be less stubborn. I don’t know. I’m just postulating.


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avocet8

A69 - the time x weight theory that you are quoting is not from me and I doubt that it is correct although there certainly is some kind of an inverse correlation, but probably not a linear one (that is that doubling the weight does not exactly halve the time required for identical gains. Yet - the theory has it’s beauty, namely because of the idea as such and because of it’s simplicity.

Ttt


Later - ttt

Modesto -

Regarding the struts you are certainly right (but they are collagen too - aren’t they?

Comparison with bone (here it holds I guess): there is a thick outer cortex and an inner fine trabecular structure. Guess what gives more stability: the trabeculae inside, which would correspond to the struts inside of the corpora.

Modesto, I think we just made a major step forward in understanding what’s going on there.

It’s a real, and highly productive pleasure discussing with you (and all the other guys who contribute to this thread, of course.)

Thanks for your input; it’s fun to progress in our (my) understanding of what we are doing here.

Btw, I am just starting a two weeks vacation, so I will have plenty of hang time and time to discuss stuff here in the forum.

Ttt


Later - ttt

The difference with morning wood is medically explained in general by the fullness of the urinary bladder in the morning. This might impede the venous outflow and thereby approaching the pressure in the corpora even closer to arterial pressure (which is the max one can achieve).

Continuing this thought (in a somewhat absurd direction) high blood pressure disease (with intact arteries, which often is not the case specifically as a consequence of the deleterious effect of high blood pressure on arteries) would be like super-clamping.

There are drugs out there which increase blood pressure but PLEAS: don’t give it a try guys. I would loose my medical licence if that became public.so let’s quickly forget about it *s*

Later (hopefully not in prison) ttt


Later - ttt

I think that decreasing girth with increasing erection from 90 to 100 % (which I also observed) may be the result of modestos struts if you imagine them as crosslinked structures like so:

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |diameter
<——Length——>

Understand what I mean? No way to get both maximum length and girth at the same time if there really is such a (overly simplified) cross-link of the struts.

Thinking of the micro-anatomic structure of our bones’ struts (so called trabecula) this over-simplistic view of the struts is probably pretty close to the inner structure of our dicks.

I love this thread

Thanks to all of you

Ttt


Later - ttt

Avocet8

You wrote: ‘If, as has been suggested, the tunica is the controlling and limiting barrier, it is conceivable that the cavernous chambers could take more blood than normal - once the smooth muscle relaxes - if the tunica also relaxed or stretches more.’

My understanding is that the tunica is a very tough sheet. I do not believe in smooth muscle interference - it’s the struts! See my ‘graph’ above.

Kind regards ttt


Later - ttt

Penismith - what do you mean with penile skeletal muscle. Except the bc and pc muscles I don’t see any (smooth muscle does not equal skeletal muscle - agree?


Later - ttt

TTT, just a question about the smooth muscle. If I masturbate and then have sex within an hour or two, (meaning I misread my wife’s intentions) my erection is about 1/4 inch smaller in girth than if I did not masturbate. It is just as hard, if not harder, than without masturbating previously. This has happened more than a dozen times over the last year or two. Doesn’t this signify that there are some chemicals (prolactin or whatever) signaling the smooth muscle to contract a little? From my understanding of the tunica, it is not a reactive tissue, so hormones or chemicals in the blood would have no effect on it.

Also, when I clamp I expand by 1/4 inch ( I know only 1/4 inch, I’m a hard gainer) over my erect level. I am under the impression that the tunica is not an elastic tissue, meaning that, again, the smooth muscle would be my limiting factor, and account for the difference between my erect girth and clamped girth, at least for that last 1/4 inch. In both cases my erect length stays the same, so I am not stealing girth from length. What are your thoughts?

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Smooth muscle

Smooth muscle is what covers, e.g., the vagina and the intestine. It is VERY easily expandable - think of a vagina giving birth. So smooth muscle is NEVER limiting I would say.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
The difference with morning wood is medically explained in general by the fullness of the urinary bladder in the morning. This might impede the venous outflow and thereby approaching the pressure in the corpora even closer to arterial pressure (which is the max one can achieve).

If this is so, how does this explain the other nocturnal erections occuring in the night, many happening when the bladder is not full?

We do have 4 - 5 of them normally during REM sleep. I’ve often woken only an hour after going to sleep with one that is just as girthy as in the AM and with no concomitant bladder fullness.

I believe this phenomenon is linked instead to a parasympathetic nervous system process wherein all the erectile “stop” signs put up by the sympathetic nervous system have been taken down as the parasympathetic takes control.


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avocet8

Originally Posted by avocet8
I’m wondering if, while the parasympathetic nervous system is in control (rather than the sympathetic while fully conscious) the tunica is somehow caused to relax or stetch more.

My thoughts exactly. My erections are fuller when relaxed. There are many examples of individuals discussing mega erections as a result of various agents and methods that antagonize skeletal muscle tone including marijuana, muscle relaxants and meditation. I don’t think that the tunica reaches its maximum volume in most individuals in absence of a pharmacological or mechanical relaxation of skeletal muscle tone. I think that when the penile skeletal muscle is relaxed the tunica might then become the limiting volume factor.

So, are there two barriers to overcome? Do we need to lengthen penile skeletal muscles as well as encourage tunica enlargement? Maybe priapism forces and elongation of penile skeletal muscle.

Just thinking out loud.

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