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Rethinking PE-Theory

Veins are usually in the loose fatty tissue between muscle and skin.

Interesting enough, there is no fat there in our dicks, but a little bit of loose connective tissue (that is why the skin can move relative to the tunica.

The veins are neither attached to the tunica nor to the skin, so they just move along as the rest of our dicks moves (just like from flaccid to erect: they must be loose, tortuous, and elastic to take the size changes. Later ttt


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*S* = smile, yes.


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All4show -

Sorry, I didn’t understand the word ‘split’. Thought you were referring to the tunica incision story, thanks mr.fantastic for clarifying - the pic is ok but nude would be nicer (regarding the ligs and tendons of the chick.

Can’t help but notice my post was not commented on. I think it is a valid comparison.

1. If I went from tired old bunched-up ex-athlete - to a being able to putting my hands flat on the ground with my legs straight and being able to do the splits.

2. Is this similar to stretching the penis?
I THINK SO; YES

3. By increasing my flexibility do my ligament grow? Does the muscle grow / lengthen? Or does it become more stretchy or both?
THEY ELONGATE: IN THE CASE OF THE SPLITS THE MUSCLES ELONGATE; TOO:

4. I think I could achieve increased flexibility with 30 minutes a day, certainly not 10 hours of hanging?
YOU ASKED IF 50000 OF US WOULD TRY THE SPLITS; DEPENDING ON THEIR AGE SOME WOULD ACHIEVE IT FASTER OTHERS SLOWER SOME NEVER: BUT ALL WOULD COME CLOSER TO THE END BY EXERCISING:


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Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Modesto - I am a radiologist myself and see mri-pic’s of dicks all day and your observation is correct.
Ttt

tickticktickler, why don’t you do an MRI of your own penis and put it away? After you have made some significant gains you could do another for comparison. May be a great opportunity to see what goes on inside?

Iguana


Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

Louis Pasteur

Mr. Fantastic:

I already read your thread - good stuff.

It was my idea to measure ever 3 months or so but your theory is so good that I will measure once a months from now on.

Of course, I started the monthly measurements today.

Ttt


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Iquana - too late for me - I am pretty close to my aim already, we should find some beginners who start low and aim high.

Best regards - ttt


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Ok - let’s talk about sex baby -

No about splits.

I want to discuss the lateral (more difficult split, the one jean claude van damme practices.

My future ex-wife was a ballet dancer, she told me she learned the split at age five in three months, she is now 49 and still able to do it.

Current gf was also ballet dancing, learned the lateral split at age 5 within a few months as well. She can’t perform it currently but believes that she could train and get there within two months.

Both say that time and effort increase dramatically with age, esp. After puberty if you didn’t first learn it at young age.

Both ladies agree that men don’t usually do the lateral split. On insisting very heavily they both hypothesised that it would take me (I am a 49 y o male in excellent shape but not stretching very much) 6-12 months with 2 one half hour exercise protocol per day.

Interestingly my gf told me that progress sometimes may slow down, stop or even reverse so that pauses may become necessary .


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.. Still on splits: gf also told me that the analogy to pe is not so good. To learn the lateral split stretching of the inner legs adductor muscles and tendons is required but also suppression of the antagonists’ muscles reflex to counteract. - Which reminds me of one suggestion to do reverse kegels while hanging straight down (which I practice, just as I do regular kegels when hanging straight out, laterally or straight up.)

Also, the dicks tunica and ligs don’t perfectly correspond to muscles and tendons.

Stay tuned..

Best regards ttt


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First I want to say I appreciate what your trying to get accomplished here ticktickicker. But I want to disagree with you on this point.

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Mr fantastic : gains occur at the entire length inside and outside. However, they can only become noticable when the tunica is also elongated.

I am not a medical student, but an engineering student. I have taken a static class that explained a very simple principle. While under tension there is an increase in stress as cross sectional area decreases. It appears to me from the diagrams on penis anatomy that where the corpora cavernosa splits into the right and left crura inside the body there is a significant decreases in area. This would lead me to believe the highest level of growth would be found near this attachment point to the bone. Your angle of hanging would definitely affect how much stress you put on these points, but it would still support the idea that the majority of gains occur inside the body.

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LongEnough-

Good to have smart people here.

Your diagram is a good one but 2 anatomic structures are missing , which lay around and below the corpora: the tunica and the ligaments.

The tunica, as discussed before, is a very tight and difficult collagenous structure which, like a sheet, attaches at the pubic bone and at the glans and surrounds the corpora. The tunica is tight and hard to stretch while the corpora are soft blood filled sponges which expand during erection due to arterial blood pressure. The tunica limits that expansion and that’s why your dick gets rock hard (IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES).

THEREFORE; THE MAJOR PE WORK IS TO ENLARGE THE TUNICA#S LENGTH AND CIRCUMFERENCE; THE SPONGY CORPORA WILL EASILY EXPAND AND FILL THE TUNICA; THEY ARE DEFINITIVELY NOT THE LIMITING FACTOR: they probably grow at the entire length inside and outside by plastic deformation as well as by cell division, but that is secondary and certainly not the limiting factor in pe.

Thanks for your input - best regards - ttt 9AND THANKS FOR your compliment regarding this thread which is not mine but ours, I just happened to initiate it.


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Originally Posted by ticktickticker
If it is true, as most stretching devices claim, a 2 pound traction for 12 hours generates cells growth, and an increase in the traction reduces the time required proportionally. There are 1440 minutes in a day, so if you hang one pound for 24 hours you are applying 1440 pounds per each minute of the day.

But if you hang 2 pounds for 12 hours, you are still applying the same 1440 PPM (2 pounds X 720 minutes)

With 8 pounds you need 180 minutes (8 x 180 = 1440)

With 15 pounds only 96 minutes (15 x 96 = 1440)

And with 24 pounds only 60 minutes


I don’t agree with this theory, and my experience seems to show that.
The reason I don’t agree with it is that it doesn’t take into account the mechanisms the body uses to protect itself from damage.
Although its not the same mechanism, I believe that hanging very high weights for short periods simply causes the tissue of the penis to protect itself rather than let any traction/elongation take place. Much like when you try to over stretch a muscle it contracts (cant remember the correct term for it right now :D )

When I jumped in weight too quickly (when hanging), I found that my gains stopped. I think everyone has a “critical force” at which maximum elongation can take place. Above that level, the body does not permit elongation.

All just my theories and observations of course.

Originally Posted by ticktickticker

THEREFORE; THE MAJOR PE WORK IS TO ENLARGE THE TUNICA#S LENGTH AND CIRCUMFERENCE; THE SPONGY CORPORA WILL EASILY EXPAND AND FILL THE TUNICA; THEY ARE DEFINITIVELY NOT THE LIMITING FACTOR: they probably grow at the entire length inside and outside by plastic deformation as well as by cell division, but that is secondary and certainly not the limiting factor in pe.

This conclusion makes a lot of sense, for the reasons you stated, but I’m not positive that it is correct. The primary evidence for doubting it is that many guys have reported BPFSL much longer than their BPEL. In some cases, the difference is as great as 2”.

Clearly, for these guys, their tunicas are able to stretch, but something else is binding up their erect length. One thing to consider is that the insides of the CCs are not simply spongy tissue. There are also “struts” of collagen that criss-cross through the chambers, which divide the space into trabeculae. Those struts can add significant mechanical strength.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
This conclusion makes a lot of sense, for the reasons you stated, but I’m not positive that it is correct. The primary evidence for doubting it is that many guys have reported BPFSL much longer than their BPEL. In some cases, the difference is as great as 2”.

Clearly, for these guys, their tunicas are able to stretch, but something else is binding up their erect length. One thing to consider is that the insides of the CCs are not simply spongy tissue. There are also “struts” of collagen that criss-cross through the chambers, which divide the space into trabeculae. Those struts can add significant mechanical strength.

I have thought a lot about this as well. My circimfrence is larger with an 80% erection than it is with a 100% erection.

penismith - The Penis (smooth) Muscle Theory

Both penile skeletal muscle and the tunica are regulators erectile geometry and volume.

Originally Posted by penismith
I have thought a lot about this as well. My circimfrence is larger with an 80% erection than it is with a 100% erection.

penismith - The Penis (smooth) Muscle Theory

Both penile skeletal muscle and the tunica are regulators erectile geometry and volume.

On this same subject, if I get erect and clamp the maximum I can expand is 3/16” but if I clamp from plump and kegel in more blood and use visual stimulus I expand twice as much, 3/8”.
The penis also has some give in it when I use the second method.

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