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Kegel - the secret revealed

Sorry, he answered in a way here Matt356 - Kegel - the secret revealed by telling us this :

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When You ejaculate, You feel tension of Your penis and some additional contractions that tell You - You are finishing.
If at this very moment You concentrate on the down-side part of Your penis (BC), You will feel Your ejaculations as it goes and where exactly.
If You will concentrate on Your erection(IC), You will make it harder and more tensed, You will feel that hardness but also that wish for ejaculation will pass away. You may try this and feel it really nice while EDGING!


Or there Matt356 - Kegel - the secret revealed

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You stop ejaculation by moving the tension from the muscles that squeeze the down-side part of the penis to the muscles on the dorsal side of the penis (those are for erection).
Normally they contract both together when you have an orgasm - but when you learn how to control and contract them, you can concentrate more on 1 group. In this situation You may concentrate on ejaculation and it’s speed (with fast loosing of erection - that’s BC working) or You may concentrate on the IC muscle - to stop ejaculation and make the erection stronger.

So I suppose if you contract the IC more that your BC it could be good to delay the orgasm. Do I understand it well according to you? The contraction of the IC which push blood in the corpus cavernous is the same movement we need to delay orgasm? Don’t hesitate if you have any advice or other explanations, I need to master that technique.


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Last edited by Petitchef : 12-10-2012 at .

Originally Posted by Petitchef
Sorry, he answered in a way here Matt356 - Kegel - the secret revealed by telling us this :
Or there Matt356 - Kegel - the secret revealed

So I suppose if you contract the IC more that your BC it could be good to delay the orgasm. Do I understand it well according to you? The contraction of the IC which push blood in the corpus cavernous is the same movement we need to delay orgasm? Don’t hesitate if you have any advice or other explanations, I need to master that technique.

Hehe reading the whole thread you sure get crazy.
And its such a movement your normaly dont do as it is not needed in theory. I think I came about 10-12 different movements down there.

But back to your questions:

Apart from other things like watching porn and masturbating too fast I bet most people who lack stamina have an imbalance in the pelvic floor muscles.

As many are instructed to train their pc muscle(and often train the BC muscle instead or simultanously) they create an imbalance.

The goal is to control the muscles. Just having strong muscles wont help you at all. Training your pc/ bc muscle to have short and fast contractions is a sure way to faster ejaculation.

The IC muscle movement helps you in the way that the focus is now on the IC muscle and its tasks. Its very difficult to have the PC muscle/bc muscle contracted while contracting the BC muscle.
The bc muscle is there to shoot your load. When you now engage the BC muscle too early on you might trigger the orgasm and cumming reflex.

So while you are fucking concentrate either on full relexation or the IC muscle. The IC muscle is not needed to hold too strong. a slight hold is enough. A pulsing motion is nice too.

The bc muscle and pc muscle are good to stop ejaculation when you approach the point of no return. Then you want to hold them very hard stopping the involuntary spasms/reflexes.
To be able to do this you need to train long strong holds.

So yes the IC muscle helps for stamina but there is much more as above said.(the most important part is the brain-penis connection - thus avoiding porn and cumming too often too fast. think about a neanderthal and his sex life and how his brain-penis was connected).

But the main part the IC muscle is assisting in is to have rock hard straight out erections(if one side of the Ic muscle is weak or cut it falls to that side). The IC muscle stops the blood flowing out of the CC ‘s amking it very rigid.

I can with a weak errection rush in blood via contracting the bc and pc muscle(you can feel the flush on the underside moving into the head). Then I engage the IC muscle instantly and the blood is trapped giving me a much bigger erection then normaly. ( I think this is reffered to as balooning in other threads. tough I dont use my hands at all.)

Naturally for guys with weak errections and/or stamina problems the muscle might be weak and thus they cant feel it right away. I would try it sitting and standing. flaccid and erect.

Remember the IC is coming from the inside in two strings that meet at the base of the penis right where the pubis bone is. Whatever you do concentrate on that area. You can also imagine two cords coming from the bines between leg and ass(like a trapezius) meeting each other and this you pull together and up. At some point you might feel it. Dont worry at first about other contractions. Engaging the stomach muscles might help at the start.

The IC is squezzing the base of the penis from the sides and slightly above shutting off the CC ‘s pushing some more blood up the CC’s.
So you want to do the same: Squezzing the dick right behind the pubis bone up and out.
When I do that my balls always move up and after some time I got no tug back at all.

any unclaritys ask..


Last edited by dickerschwanz : 12-10-2012 at .

Great explanations dude thank you. I always cannot feel it but I think understood clearly what tou described.
Just concerning these points :

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Remember the IC is coming from the inside in two strings that meet at the base of the penis right where the pubis bone is. Whatever you do concentrate on that area. You can also imagine two cords coming from the bines between leg and ass(like a trapezius) meeting each other and this you pull together and up. At some point you might feel it. Dont worry at first about other contractions. Engaging the stomach muscles might help at the start.

Ok this is the thing I don’t get. The only thing I can do is to make a very very very light kind of a kegel with my mind tring to focus on the inner dorsal part of my penis. The only thing I can try to do at now…

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The bc muscle and pc muscle are good to stop ejaculation when you approach the point of no return. Then you want to hold them very hard stopping the involuntary spasms/reflexes.

Yes this is what I’ve tried to do for many years now and I even sometime succed in a kind of a dry orgasm (in fact with no orgasm in my case) but so hard to reproduce it. I didn’t make one since more than one year despite my good will. It seemes like the most important point of contraction I had to hold was more near the PC than the BC. Anyway, I’ve got an imbalanced pelvic floor because I made too many exercises for these last years so now I try to make reverse kegels.

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To be able to do this you need to train long strong holds.

So for you we should avoid fast contractions? Would you advice me a kind of work out? (I need something very clear to not forgetting doing it well)
In the past I made each day like 60 fast contractions, then 30 contractions of 10 secondes, then 3 of 90 seconds. Then I made it 1 day on/1 day off but always felt my BC too much sensitive so now I do this 2 times per day (but again 1 day on/1 day off) : 25 alternate kegels and reverse kegels of 10 seconds, then 3 alternate kegels and revers kegels of 30 seconds each one. It’s kind of hard for me to do this. Harder than just kegelling for several minutes.

And now I come back to this thread concerning IC muscles and I’m hoping for something which could be finally the solution. But contracting the IC muscles (even if I don’t know how to do it for now) without moving the BC muscles (that I realy have to relax if I want to increase my stamina) seems impossible, isn’t it?

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I can with a weak errection rush in blood via contracting the bc and pc muscle(you can feel the flush on the underside moving into the head). Then I engage the IC muscle instantly and the blood is trapped giving me a much bigger erection then normaly. ( I think this is reffered to as balooning in other threads. tough I dont use my hands at all.)

So if I understood you rightly you fist contract the BC and PC muscle to produce and push some blood, before locking the blood thanks to the IC muscles? During intercourse I can allow myself to this for the same reasons I just explained, moving the BC muscles make it more sensitive than it is already :(


***Pas de vrais résultats depuis 2011*** NBPEL:15 cm (17cm BPEL) MEG:11,5 cm FIRST GOALS:18 cm X 13 cm

BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Originally Posted by Petitchef
Great explanations dude thank you. I always cannot feel it but I think understood clearly what tou described.
Just concerning these points :

Ok this is the thing I don’t get. The only thing I can do is to make a very very very light kind of a kegel with my mind tring to focus on the inner dorsal part of my penis. The only thing I can try to do at now…

Yes this is what I’ve tried to do for many years now and I even sometime succed in a kind of a dry orgasm (in fact with no orgasm in my case) but so hard to reproduce it. I didn’t make one since more than one year despite my good will. It seemes like the most important point of contraction I had to hold was more near the PC than the BC. Anyway, I’ve got an imbalanced pelvic floor because I made too many exercises for these last years so now I try to make reverse kegels.

So for you we should avoid fast contractions? Would you advice me a kind of work out? (I need something very clear to not forgetting doing it well)
In the past I made each day like 60 fast contractions, then 30 contractions of 10 secondes, then 3 of 90 seconds. Then I made it 1 day on/1 day off but always felt my BC too much sensitive so now I do this 2 times per day (but again 1 day on/1 day off) : 25 alternate kegels and reverse kegels of 10 seconds, then 3 alternate kegels and revers kegels of 30 seconds each one. It’s kind of hard for me to do this. Harder than just kegelling for several minutes.

And now I come back to this thread concerning IC muscles and I’m hoping for something which could be finally the solution. But contracting the IC muscles (even if I don’t know how to do it for now) without moving the BC muscles (that I realy have to relax if I want to increase my stamina) seems impossible, isn’t it?

So if I understood you rightly you fist contract the BC and PC muscle to produce and push some blood, before locking the blood thanks to the IC muscles? During intercourse I can allow myself to this for the same reasons I just explained, moving the BC muscles make it more sensitive than it is already :(

Edging and then concentrate while edging only on the sides and upper part of your dick. no matter if the bc msucle contracts. only cocnentrate on the sides and the upper part. I dont know when I do a BC kegel its totally different. The IC kegel is more of a push like tehr everse kegel. But not a push into somewhere but a push to the front of the dick whiel squezzing the sides and upper part.

Its a trapecius. when standing it is horizontally. the two sides start from the hard knobs between your ass and legs. where it hurts when you sit on something very hard. from there they narrow towards the front of the pubis right where your penis exits. when yo uengage the IC they basicly move together trying to get them into one horizontal line(which is not possible.) in between these lines is your dick(crus penis). the penis gets pushed kind of upwards towards the bone and thus constricted.

for a workout:
-holds as long as you can. squezze right behind your balls backwards. hold it hard and as long as you can.
-edging and then when you only come slightly towards cumming(PONR) squezze your bc and pc muscle as ahrd as possible and stop stimulation. hold until all sensation is gone.
-train that until you are able to hold it even when the dick tries to contract/spasm when you are cumming.(could take some time)

you can train these holds while stretching the dick flaccid pulling against the tugback.

Thank you again for your help dickerschwanz. And my excuses for everybody if sometime my sentences aren’t very clear because it’s not my native language.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
The IC kegel is more of a push like tehr everse kegel. But not a push into somewhere but a push to the front of the dick whiel squezzing the sides and upper part.

Shit, the only thing I can feel is like a very light regular kegel, at the base of the penis by focusing with mind on the dorsal part (very very light, the lighter I can do if I want to really do it, like the very beginning of e regular kegel I would make but stop at its very beginning). The thing you describe… I don’t even know what kinf of feeling and contraction it could be.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Its a trapecius. when standing it is horizontally. the two sides start from the hard knobs between your ass and legs. where it hurts when you sit on something very hard.

I don’t know what are the knobs you’re talking about. Maybe you mean the ischium bones (http://biology.clc.uc.edu/graphics/bio105/pelvis.jpg), but I believe I feel nothing except the bones even when it hurts.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
from there they narrow towards the front of the pubis right where your penis exits. when yo uengage the IC they basicly move together trying to get them into one horizontal line(which is not possible.) in between these lines is your dick(crus penis). the penis gets pushed kind of upwards towards the bone and thus constricted.

And you’re sure we all got this? LOL It’s like you told me about something I don’t have or don’t feel at all.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
for a workout:
-holds as long as you can. squezze right behind your balls backwards. hold it hard and as long as you can.

Thank you it’s kind of you, I just don’t understand really what kind of workout it is. I asked you for a general workout, concerning BC, PC IC. Here when you speak about squeezzing right behind the balls It’s a BC contraction isn’t it? That I can do with no problem, as hard as I can I don’t know but for one to three minutes for example with no problems. How many times I have to do this, and when? Just before what you tell me next… just before edging? The two steps together? I suppose it’s rather something I could do in general you mean, any time I want, just to be clear for me and the other guys who could be interested.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
-edging and then when you only come slightly towards cumming(PONR) squezze your bc and pc muscle as ahrd as possible and stop stimulation. hold until all sensation is gone.

I often tried that. Unfortunately the sensation near the BC never really goes away (maybe it’s my prostate but I feel almost upside my balls, like if it was in my urethra or upside like I said). It’s because of the imbalanced BD I have I think, which is the reason why I try to relax now and include reverse kegels in my routines, but it’s hard to get good results for now. So except for maybe 3 times in the last 10 years (when I succeeded in a kind in doing a kinf of dry orgasm, I mean without really loosing my erection) I never felt this sensation gone or couldn’t reproduce it.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
-train that until you are able to hold it even when the dick tries to contract/spasm when you are cumming.(could take some time)

Very difficult, the tension stays in the penis and in the pelvis, like a big energy which want to get out with no other possibilities. I also tried for months or years to apply the famous taoist methods to diffuse it. But in my case, this kind of wave guy… no, it just stay in the pelvis, especially in the BC (or prostate i don’t know), penis, frenulum and glans (in my case my trigger point si not really my glans but my BC or prostate and frenulum, especially my frenulum).

you can train these holds while stretching the dick flaccid pulling against the tugback.
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BPEL : bone pressed erect length / NBPEL : non bone pressed erect length / BPFSL : bone pressed flacid streched length / NBFSL : non bone pressed flacid streched length

Hey all.
I’m trying to cure my preE and on my journey I got to this thread.

After reading a lot and trying a lot, I got to the conclusion that my preE is related to the contraction(s) I have in my pelvic floor when there is physical stimulation to the gland(and the underside of my penis: from the middle of the shaft to the gland).
When I have erection, any stimulation to the above area will cause contraction(at first, contraction- not contractionS). The muscle get contracted, and relax only after I stop the stimulation(So if I do 1 stroke- it contract and then relax, if I do 5 strokes - it contract and stay like that until I stop stroking).

The thing is, I felt like the above contraction is DIFFERENT than the contractionS when I’m close to the PONR.
I started edging with my fingers around my pelvic floor(underside, sides, and above- near the pubic bone ) to figure it out, and found out that there is a different:
-The “stimulation contraction” is steady(stay contracted as explained above) and in the sides/upper area of my pelvic floor muscles around the penis.
-The PONR contractions are rhythmical, “spasm” like, and in the under side of my pelvic floor.

I started searching for anatomy pictures and literature, and figured out that the “stimulation contraction” is IC contraction, and the “PONR contractions” are BC contraction. I also found this thread.

After reading about the function of the IC, I’m not sure how to proceed.
-I know its function is to make my penis erect, and make it stay erect, therefore I’m not sure if I should edge with the purpose of RELAXING the IC. On the contrary, tension in the area is probably what leads to the BC contractions which lead to ejaculation.
I’m just not sure if the IC contraction is the normal function of the body, or if it is the leading cause to my preE.
-Also, if I should relax it, how should I do it? Even if I have my full mental effort on trying to relax it, this IC contraction is like a reflex for any physical stimulation to my gland area. I’m not sure how to start re-condition my body to not contract it.
(Edit: I want to mention that what I feel and believe is IC contraction is MUCH stronger as a reflex contraction due to stimulation[like I wrote above] than what I can produce manually with no stimulation by trying to contract the IC)

Anyone have any comment that can be helpful for me? :O

Thanks.


Last edited by ggxe : 12-31-2012 at .

I’ve read the first few pages and don’t understand how to strengthen this IC muscle. Is there a page here that explains this?


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3-22-17: BP: 8.44 NBP 7.56 x 5.75

Hi guys I’m Alex I’m new to this site and only know a little about jelqing and keagle so please bare with me.. As far as I know you do keagle exercises to get harder erections?? And you locate them by stoping urine flow? Is this not called the PC muscle? Iv been doing keagle for over a year, are you saying I’m training the wrong muscle? Do I keep doing it?

Also I was thinking about starting a very light jelqing program but how true is it that it works? If it did work everyone would do it and it would be huge news. Can you explain why most people don’t jelq if it does work? Plus the colour change is the due to the warm up or the jelq? And the red spots go away after a couple of days right? And the veins get bigger is this healthy?

Sorry for all the questions :)

Maybe this will help You: Locating the bc muscle .

Imagine the muscle(s) You are contracting, this helps for me.

Originally Posted by Matt356
Yes - kegels - because You contract The ICs Muscles (both sides) which are located on the upper part of the corpus spongiosum which - stands for erection. And You ejaculate by squeezes of BC which goes along the down-side part of penis - You can feel the tub with Your fingers.

Sorry if I’m stupid but how do you exercise your ICs and BCs?? Iv been doing keagle for about a year and can stop myself coming as and when I please. But I thought I was working my PC muscles? But you say thats for the prostate? I’m confussed please explain ?

Originally Posted by cheekychap
Sorry if I’m stupid but how do you exercise your ICs and BCs?? Iv been doing keagle for about a year and can stop myself coming as and when I please. But I thought I was working my PC muscles? But you say thats for the prostate? I’m confussed please explain ?

Ok I think I got it! Iv been doing my keagle thinking iv been making my PC muscle stronger but infact iv been making my PC my IC and my BC muscles stronger all from the same exercise? The muscle iv squeez to stop my urine? Is that right?

Since towel raises work the IC muscle who wants to share results and their routine for doing them? I want to give them a try. My pc strength is high enough to do a 4min hold so I need something more intense. I feel like I maxed out the EQ benefits of normal kegels.


7-20-16: BP: 7.63 NBP 6.75 x 5.75

3-22-17: BP: 8.44 NBP 7.56 x 5.75

What is the process to push the IC muscle? I agree with your experiments because I also felt like you. But the problem is starting point. How can I do that exercise please post the anatomical picture of IC and the procedure step by step.

Dear Matt356,

Thanks for nice details…

So how to make a good erection without involving kegals? How to concentrate on the dorsal surface of my penis and by that I can achieve OUTSTANDING erection which will make my penis close to BLOW. HOW IT HAPPENS?

Thanks for the advice I will add this to my PE workout. This is a must read, add to your subscriptions.

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