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Kegel - the secret revealed

Originally Posted by lack of size
Still learned nothing from this thread.. Don’t know where this muscle is and still don’t know how to avoid ejaculation

Who here has gone from having an ultra sensitive penis to having a penis that lasts as long as they like, and how did you get there?

See my thread super erections finally. I think the key to all of this is working on the prostrate muscle. See for me I can not imagine what it’s like to only last a few minutes. But I’m circumcised and don’t probably have as much sensitivity as someone that is not cut. I mean I get pissed sometimes at how long it takes to finish.

Here’s what I found.

Multiorgasms are near impossible for me.
I can’t edge worth of shit

BUT The combination of the following has transformed sex from the 5 seconds of usual fun to a somewhat spiritual experience while having sex. I’m talking head spinning sex.

1. Locate your BC muscle or whatever you like to call it. It’s in between your anus and your balls. Imagine taking a piss and stopping mid stream. Put your finger down there when you do this. It’s easy to find. Don’t say you can’t find it. If I can, anybody can.

2. Now locate your anal muscles. The ones that you use when pinching out a loaf. Or holding a loaf in while your driving around in a frenzy looking for a public bathroom.

3. Learn how to distinguish between the two. At first, the two will feel like 1. But after time you’ll learn to separate the two different muscles. The anal muscle is not what you want. You’ll want to focus on the PC muscle that I described.

4. Think of it like this. PC muscle = forward or front. Anal sphincter muscles = back.

5. Now do a few PC flexes, or holds for 5 seconds each to familiarize yourself with that muscle. Then when you’ve mastered that hold that muscle and imagine pushing it forward towards your balls. The more forward you can focus on the muscle the better. Hold at like 80% for as long as you can and rest. Do it again. After a while the muscle will start to fatigue. I don’t know the mechanics of this, but it’s got a lot to do with the prostrate. After a while, you’ll start to feel quivers and shaking and spazoming. It feels good and this is what you want. I usually do it like 1/2 hour 3x a day. Sometimes I do it subconsciously as I do it a lot sometimes I don’t ever realize I’m doing it. The spasoming seems to heighten something in the prostrate. You will have more control of yourself eventually.

It’s work. It’s work to find the muscle and get the quivering going. If I’m tired, it doesn’t work. But most of the time I can get it going. That’s not the end.

6. Get yourself an aneros. I use the Progasm. It’s the biggest one they got. Now if your like “I’m not sticking something up my ass” then stop here and go back to having no control. I don’t mean to be a dick, but get over the macho man bullshit and do something that will help yourself. Get the thing. Get a syringe and use some vasoline in it, pump the shit in your ass, lube up the aneros and stuff it in your ass. Now lie on the bed, knees bent and pull the thing in slowly and release. Do this for about 10 minutes. Then, go back to step 5 and do the same exercise. Pull it in and hold. After a while, you’ll feel the spasms start. This is what you want.

If you do this for a couple weeks, both exercises, with aneros in and the other daily exercises and keep your hands off your dick, you will have the control you want.
I use the aneros 2x a week for about 20 min to a 1/2 hour. Make a regimen out of it. Plan ahead that way you don’t make excuses. My wife leaves on wed nights so I use it then. Then in the afternoon on Sunday when she’s watching TV and the kid is busy. Wife knows about all this too. Don’t hide the shit. The device as far as I’m concerned is used to exercise the prostrate and that’s why most men have no control. I’d put my life on that statement.

Other things that help.
Ginger - RAW. I do about 4-5” of the raw shit a day and it’s great. It burns like fuck, but the greater the burn = the greater / fresher the ginger. Take off the exterior with a knife and chew the shit down and swallow. Chase with water. Mouth will burn for 30 seconds, but be a man and get over it.

Tongkat ali. I’m doing about 200mg of extract a day. I’ve had shitty tongkat (vitamin shoppe or any other pill / capsule crap) and now I have good stuff. It’s raw powder. I put 200mg on a little piece of toilet paper, roll it into a ball and eat it. Chase it with water. If you get that shit on your tongue, it’s the most foul tasting stuff on the planet.

Maca. I’m taking about 1-2 tsp a day.

Pissing. Make pissing an exercise. Piss 1 second and stop. Then when you piss again, force the stream out as fast and hard as you can for 1 second and stop. Repeat until your dry. Do this every single time you piss.

Hands off. If your constantly beating off, forget all of this. It will not work. Start thinking in terms of unreal sex and not the 5 second dribble from watching porn. You’ve done that already 100,000 times. It’s time for something new and adopting the discipline of a hands off policy is crucial.

If you follow this and do this for 1 week or so as I did. I had sex with a woman and I felt like I had Gods dick. I shit you not. I felt like a woman. Having like these mini body trembling orgasms. My cock was as hard as I could ever imagine with no viagra. NONE. When and if I decide to orgasm I can actually spit my orgasms into smaller ones. I mean shoot a little, and rest a second. Then go again and shoot a little. Then after I’m pretty much dry I have a tremendous orgasm where nothing really comes out. But I mean I was moaning like a woman before I came. It was UN-FUCKING-REAL.

Now I’ve narrowed it down to this to see which element above is most important and which is least important.
1. No more beating off
2. Use of aneros
3. Daily kegel holds
4. Tongkat ali
5. Maca

Do you need the supplements? I don’t know. I don’t think you need them for control. But to get that heightened sexual arousal, I think you need the tongkat ali. I get the shit for $50 and it lasts 2 months. I will not buy from that indonesian place or whatever that rapes you. I have another source.

The key is not beating your dick. Do the above and save it for a woman and you will blow your frign mind. I guarantee it.


Since you are my property, the contents of your mind are also my property, and you will give them to me when I ask.

I don’t get it, what’s the point of using the aneros?


Starting stats: NBPEL:6.5 | MSEG:5.25 (around 3/1/2010)

Current stats: NBPEL:6.5 | MSEG:5.25 (around 3/1/2010)

Short-term goals NBPEL:7.25| MSEG: 5.65

The aneros will exercise your prostrate. Don’t be afraid of the thing. Now I don’t have the super-o’s that some guys that use them do. I think that some are wired for it, some are not. I use it simply for better erections and coupled with the other stuff I’m doing, I feel like I have another dick. Seriously

Aneros use:

This will - My opinion

1. Allow you to have immense erections (I don’t know why. Increased blood flow?)
2. Allow you to have far better control of your dick than you ever imagined.


Since you are my property, the contents of your mind are also my property, and you will give them to me when I ask.

I did.

It’s not avoiding ejaculation but controlling it, I think it’s a different perspective. I can make love indefinitely, without the fear of ejaculation (which I don’t do anyway).

It’s a pretty complex subject and I think it would be more appropriate to be discussed in a separate thread.

Originally Posted by kfarrelldba
The aneros will exercise your prostrate. Don’t be afraid of the thing. Now I don’t have the super-o’s that some guys that use them do. I think that some are wired for it, some are not. I use it simply for better erections and coupled with the other stuff I’m doing, I feel like I have another dick. Seriously

Aneros use:

This will - My opinion

1. Allow you to have immense erections (I don’t know why. Increased blood flow?)
2. Allow you to have far better control of your dick than you ever imagined.

To be clear, you get better erections and control only when directly using aneros, or as a permanent effect of using it?


Starting stats: NBPEL:6.5 | MSEG:5.25 (around 3/1/2010)

Current stats: NBPEL:6.5 | MSEG:5.25 (around 3/1/2010)

Short-term goals NBPEL:7.25| MSEG: 5.65

Originally Posted by kfarrelldba
See my thread super erections finally. I think the key to all of this is working on the prostrate muscle. See for me I can not imagine what it’s like to only last a few minutes. But I’m circumcised and don’t probably have as much sensitivity as someone that is not cut. I mean I get pissed sometimes at how long it takes to finish.
I only last a few seconds of full thrusting

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Here’s what I found.

Multiorgasms are near impossible for me.
I can’t edge worth of shit

BUT The combination of the following has transformed sex from the 5 seconds of usual fun to a somewhat spiritual experience while having sex. I’m talking head spinning sex.

1. Locate your BC muscle or whatever you like to call it. It’s in between your anus and your balls. Imagine taking a piss and stopping mid stream. Put your finger down there when you do this. It’s easy to find. Don’t say you can’t find it. If I can, anybody can.

I know this muscle already yes, it’s the one that makes you cum even faster.

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2. Now locate your anal muscles. The ones that you use when pinching out a loaf. Or holding a loaf in while your driving around in a frenzy looking for a public bathroom.
Yeah, that’s the same muscle. I can’t tense one without the other.

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3. Learn how to distinguish between the two. At first, the two will feel like 1. But after time you’ll learn to separate the two different muscles.

It’s been quite a lot of time and I still don’t know how to do this.
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The anal muscle is not what you want. You’ll want to focus on the PC muscle that I described.
This has been said before, didn’t help.
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4. Think of it like this. PC muscle = forward or front. Anal sphincter muscles = back.

Still no help

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5. Now do a few PC flexes, or holds for 5 seconds each to familiarize yourself with that muscle.
Yeah, that’s tensing the whole area[/quote]
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Then when you’ve mastered that
Can’t do that, not enough information on HOW to do that.
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Hold that muscle and imagine pushing it forward towards your balls.
What? How do you ‘push’ a muscle forward? Like for example, my biceps they don’t push in any direction but one. Same with the muscles around that area. I’m not some cartoon character who can make my biceps go in all types of different directions, hitting people around me as I please. Similarly, I’m not a cartoon character who can push my PC muscle forward.
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The more forward you can focus on the muscle the better. Hold at like 80% for as long as you can and rest. Do it again. After a while the muscle will start to fatigue. I don’t know the mechanics of this, but it’s got a lot to do with the prostrate. After a while, you’ll start to feel quivers and shaking and spazoming. It feels good and this is what you want. I usually do it like 1/2 hour 3x a day. Sometimes I do it subconsciously as I do it a lot sometimes I don’t ever realize I’m doing it. The spasoming seems to heighten something in the prostrate. You will have more control of yourself eventually.

It’s work. It’s work to find the muscle and get the quivering going. If I’m tired, it doesn’t work. But most of the time I can get it going. That’s not the end.

So let me get this straight.. Tensing the PC muscle makes me ejaculate quicker, but somehow ‘pushing it forward’ will withhold ejaculation?

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6. Get yourself an aneros. I use the Progasm. It’s the biggest one they got. Now if your like “I’m not sticking something up my ass” then stop here and go back to having no control. I don’t mean to be a dick, but get over the macho man bullshit and do something that will help yourself. Get the thing. Get a syringe and use some vasoline in it, pump the shit in your ass, lube up the aneros and stuff it in your ass. Now lie on the bed, knees bent and pull the thing in slowly and release. Do this for about 10 minutes. Then, go back to step 5 and do the same exercise. Pull it in and hold. After a while, you’ll feel the spasms start. This is what you want.

If you do this for a couple weeks, both exercises, with aneros in and the other daily exercises and keep your hands off your dick, you will have the control you want.
I use the aneros 2x a week for about 20 min to a 1/2 hour. Make a regimen out of it. Plan ahead that way you don’t make excuses. My wife leaves on wed nights so I use it then. Then in the afternoon on Sunday when she’s watching TV and the kid is busy. Wife knows about all this too. Don’t hide the shit. The device as far as I’m concerned is used to exercise the prostrate and that’s why most men have no control. I’d put my life on that statement.

[Quote]Other things that help.
Ginger - RAW. I do about 4-5” of the raw shit a day and it’s great. It burns like fuck, but the greater the burn = the greater / fresher the ginger. Take off the exterior with a knife and chew the shit down and swallow. Chase with water. Mouth will burn for 30 seconds, but be a man and get over it.

Tongkat ali. I’m doing about 200mg of extract a day. I’ve had shitty tongkat (vitamin shoppe or any other pill / capsule crap) and now I have good stuff. It’s raw powder. I put 200mg on a little piece of toilet paper, roll it into a ball and eat it. Chase it with water. If you get that shit on your tongue, it’s the most foul tasting stuff on the planet.

Maca. I’m taking about 1-2 tsp a day.

Pissing. Make pissing an exercise. Piss 1 second and stop. Then when you piss again, force the stream out as fast and hard as you can for 1 second and stop. Repeat until your dry. Do this every single time you piss.

Hands off. If your constantly beating off, forget all of this. It will not work. Start thinking in terms of unreal sex and not the 5 second dribble from watching porn. You’ve done that already 100,000 times. It’s time for something new and adopting the discipline of a hands off policy is crucial.

If you follow this and do this for 1 week or so as I did. I had sex with a woman and I felt like I had Gods dick. I shit you not. I felt like a woman. Having like these mini body trembling orgasms. My cock was as hard as I could ever imagine with no viagra. NONE. When and if I decide to orgasm I can actually spit my orgasms into smaller ones. I mean shoot a little, and rest a second. Then go again and shoot a little. Then after I’m pretty much dry I have a tremendous orgasm where nothing really comes out. But I mean I was moaning like a woman before I came. It was UN-FUCKING-REAL.

Now I’ve narrowed it down to this to see which element above is most important and which is least important.
1. No more beating off
2. Use of aneros
3. Daily kegel holds
4. Tongkat ali
5. Maca

Do you need the supplements? I don’t know. I don’t think you need them for control. But to get that heightened sexual arousal, I think you need the tongkat ali. I get the shit for $50 and it lasts 2 months. I will not buy from that indonesian place or whatever that rapes you. I have another source.

The key is not beating your dick. Do the above and save it for a woman and you will blow your frign mind. I guarantee it.


Well you said tensing the PC muscle would help me not ejaculate which is false, it makes me cum quicker. If the PC muscle stops you from ejaculation then obviously we have opposite bodies so whatever you recommend including this ‘natural medicine’ will make me cum quicker.

I’m not talking about tensing the PC muscle while your having sex or masturbating.

I’m talking about building up the muscles. Look at it like this.

I can’t lift this big rock (I cum too quick)

So if I continue to try to lift the rock, I still can’t lift it (I cum too quick)

Now you have to do something different here. Doing the same thing (just accepting the problem) will produce no results.

I’m talking about spending 15 solid minutes 2x a day doing the kegel holds. Forget sex and beating off. This has nothing to do with that. Your PC muscles / prostrate are weak. You have no control over them now and that’s why you blast off so quickly. Think of this as a training program. But your going to build up to what you want. It’s not going to happen in 1 day.

This will build up the muscles and aid in control. But not from doing it 1 day. Consider it something your going to do, 2x a day, for the rest of your life.
You want results, you got to work. This is Earth and everything is fucking hard here and nothing is free.

So, you say you can’t find the muscle?
Can you stop yourself from pissing? If yes, that’s the muscle. If no, see a doctor, I can’t help.

I can not simplify this any more. If you can stop yourself from pissing, that’s the same muscle/feeling.

Now just hold that muscle, contraction, feeling till you start to feel quivering. Hold it @ 50%, then go up to 80% but keep holding it as long as you can. You are exercising here and fatiguing the muscles and prostrate. That’s what you want. Do this day in and day out for several days and ultimately you should have more control.

Good luck.


Since you are my property, the contents of your mind are also my property, and you will give them to me when I ask.

Originally Posted by kfarrelldba
I’m not talking about tensing the PC muscle while your having sex or masturbating.

I’m talking about building up the muscles. Look at it like this.

I can’t lift this big rock (I cum too quick)

So if I continue to try to lift the rock, I still can’t lift it (I cum too quick)

What you are implying:

I can’t lift this big rock (I am not tensing my muscles)

If I use my lifting strength, I still can’t lift it, but I can get closer to lifting it. (I am tensing my muscles)

I work on my lifting strength.

Reality of what you are saying:

I can’t lift this big rock (I am not tensing my muscles)

If I use my pushing down strength (I.e. Muscular tension), I still can’t lift it, in fact it is harder since I am doing the opposite of what I am supposed to do.

I work on my pushing down strength.

Basically, how the hell can working the same muscles that make you cum help you not cum? It’s like doing barbell rows so that when something heavy is on you you can resist it and push it off. It won’t help, because you are working the muscles that help you pull things towards you, not push things off you. In terms of that analogy, what I am looking for is the bench press of cumming, not the row (kegels).

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Now you have to do something different here. Doing the same thing (just accepting the problem) will produce no results.
Doing the same thing, you mean kegels? Of course, that’s why I’m looking for a solution.

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I’m talking about spending 15 solid minutes 2x a day doing the kegel holds. Forget sex and beating off. This has nothing to do with that. Your PC muscles / prostrate are weak. You have no control over them now and that’s why you blast off so quickly. Think of this as a training program. But your going to build up to what you want. It’s not going to happen in 1 day.

I did kegel exercises (I.e. Tensing the anus) for months and nothing changed. Anything else I’ve done like weight-lifting or cardio, I have seen results like larger muscles, more fitness. Kegels didn’t do shit and the fact that they make me cum quicker makes me think that even more. The first posters in this thread seemed to understand that, which is why I was interested in this thread.

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This will build up the muscles and aid in control. But not from doing it 1 day. Consider it something your going to do, 2x a day, for the rest of your life.
You want results, you got to work. This is Earth and everything is fucking hard here and nothing is free.

Lol I didn’t ask for a Tony Robbins speech, I already know and practice hard work.

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So, you say you can’t find the muscle?
Can you stop yourself from pissing? If yes, that’s the muscle. If no, see a doctor, I can’t help.

I can not simplify this any more. If you can stop yourself from pissing, that’s the same muscle/feeling.


OK, the one that also tenses the asshole muscles and makes me cum quick, got it.

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Now just hold that muscle, contraction, feeling till you start to feel quivering. Hold it @ 50%, then go up to 80% but keep holding it as long as you can. You are exercising here and fatiguing the muscles and prostrate. That’s what you want. Do this day in and day out for several days and ultimately you should have more control.

Good luck.


Ok

So what exactly is your problem? You said you only last for a few seconds of thrusting? Is that it?

All I can say is that since I started doing the kegel holds, to the point where my prostrate is spasoming, and with the use of the aneros, it’s transformed sex for me.
But I’ve never had a problem with holding out. I have to MAKE myself cum.

Have you tried St. Johns wort and 5-htp? These are natural supplements and have the same effect as SSRI’s for me. That is instead of taking 1 hour to finish it takes me 2.


Since you are my property, the contents of your mind are also my property, and you will give them to me when I ask.

Originally Posted by lack of size

OK, the one that also tenses the asshole muscles and makes me cum quick, got it.

Ok

No, it’s a different muscle group. With practice you can differentiate between the anal spincter muscles and the PC muscles.

Here’s how I learned to distinguish between the two muscles. I’m not saying this will help you. It sounds like you’ve got an extreme case of Pre mature ejaculation if I’m reading your posts correctly.

http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/quic…-super-o-14552/


Since you are my property, the contents of your mind are also my property, and you will give them to me when I ask.

Hello kfarelldba,

Do you get erect when you have your aneros inserted in?Most of the people in anero´s forum seems that they don´t get erections while they are on aneros.

Thank you

What we lack here is the distinction between neural triggers and muscles themselves.
People with PE have overgrown pathways linking stimulation to ejaculation, people with retarded ejaculation have too weak pathways, so stimulation does not result in BC spasms.
If one with overgrown pathways will practice Kegels too eagerly, he would intensify his PE, as muscles are still triggered, but they’ve grown stronger so that same level of control signal results in more reaction, while for those with retarded or at least normal ejaculation, kegels do only benefits.

There has recently been a thread on PE, which told about de-triggering. If you have serious PE problems, don’t kegel till you cure it at least partially. Also, you have not to hold piss or shit for too long, as it also results in PC-BC muscle triggering. Try to always relax your pelvic area, as having too much tension there is a common problem. Yet, you can practice reverse kegels.
The real detriggering is done by stimulation without ejaculation - masturbate for long, try to find out what throws you near PONR and attack that trigger - stimulate it, and when you’re near the PONR, stop altogether. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Actually, aneros is super useful for that - as it allows you to directly stimulate the prostate and, by not ejaculating, de-trigger it (prostate trigger is hard to disable by masturbation, as it’s triggered mostly by thrusting movements).

Now, on topic. When I do kegels, there are 2 quite distinct ways of doing it - one seems to be BC-PC one - when contraction is felt below internal penis shaft all the way to the anus, and other - probably IC-BC one - is when tug is felt right abore penis at the base, plus some contraction behind the balls. Outside, they look the same, penis retracts 3-4 mm into the body in either case, but the feeling is clearly different. It’s not so easy to control which one you’re doing for the first time, but in just a few days you’ll be able to pick one of the ways without problem. However, after a few kegels, I could do only the first one, as IC muscle seem to get tired easily. Wait a few seconds, and you have proper control again. I always watch so that I do IC-BC kegels, not BC-PC. It’s somewhat harder to do, IC tires quickly and starts to stutter after a few long kegels, but it has to be trained. I kegel for about 20 minutes twice a day during driving to and from work. That’s about 150 short kegels, 30-40 long ones, they take 15 minutes, and 150 long ones again. I also do short ones in between long ones when I feel that muscles are overloaded.

Third, over-topic. We can kegel more or less intensively, and for longer or shorter time. But there’s a limit to the load produced that way, no way to grow the IC and BC supercharged. Erect kegels push it a little further, but still there’s a limit. I’ve been thinking of weighted kegels, both flaccid and erect. Hang a small weight on a flaccid penis and kegel, for former one, and put a weight ( say, a wet towel) on erect penis and kegel for the second one. Is it possible to get these muscles stronger that way?

The answer is YES. It’s common for all muscles: if you exercise against some resistance (weight) the muscle (any you concentrate on) gets stronger.

I am with everyone else on here that doesn’t have a clue how to do this. Been doing 400 kegels a day for the past 2 weeks with no difference in performance. I just did some kegels to figure this muscle out, but as always my ass muscle goes along with the dick muscle. Now if I really focus I can work the dick muscle with little movement from the ass muscle, so am I doing this correctly? Also, if I put my finger in the area between my ass and balls I can feel this muscle working, so is this the muscle that I want to focus on to control ejaculation?


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Flashpoint.

In my experience, observing external reactions is mostly useless, aside from the anus itself. It’s easier to distinct two types of Kegels when you’re standing. The PC-BC one feels as if something presses upon your penis’s internal shaft from below. IC-BC ones feel like penis gets pulled in and the body-to-penis angle is changed. Externally, there is no difference. Try to feel what happens inside.

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