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Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning.

Well, we can all come up with theories. What we need to know is what your doctors say is the problem. Until then we all might as well shut up. It’s this information that might help others too. So let us know when you get the info.

Originally Posted by cocacoc
It is common knowledge that if one’s penis has night time erections, physiologically the penis is ok.

Don’t know how accurate this author’s stuff is but he is a professor and surgeon. Here is a quote:

“NPT(nocturnal penile tumescence) testing might be a useful method for differentiating between organic and psychogenic impotence: the mechanism of NPT is presumed to rely on neurovascular response mechanisms similar to those seen in erotically induced erections. The basic assumption is that the relevant psychologic factors which may inhibit sexually induced erection while awake would be inoperative during sleep. The truth of this assumption has not been proven. Some investigators have reported that NPT studies correlate poorly with patient-reported sexual performance (Condra et al. 1986). At least two consecutive nights of recording NPT are necessary to evaluate nocturnal penile tumescence and rigidity; in addition, sexual intercourse seems to decrease nocturnal penile tumescence and rigidity, although not statistically significantly (Hatzichristou et al. 1998).

The validity and usefulness of NPT studies in the evaluation of ED have been questioned, and the normative values and the standardized technique available for determining such parameters as the number of episodes, the degree of tumescence and rigidity, have not been well established. Nor has it been determined what constitutes a normal NPT study (Wein et al. 1981, Sohn et al. 1993).”

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Originally Posted by marinera
Another question: you never had any lasting erection while awake since the day you jelqed?

Correct.

People can push the “pschology” aspect as much as they want but I know my own body and I can tell you my mental state 110% is NOT a contributory factor or cause here. People are made differently as people are so very happy to tell me on here. Well let me say how I am made differently: I have never struggled to get a long lasting erection because of my mood (and I have had two horrendously traumatic periods in my life so I have experience of such things). I was extremely verile prior to this, I could probably have kept an erection for hours if I were challenged.

So, Marinera, I appreciate you trying to help but please do not push this “pschology” factor any further. I am an intelligent, learned individual and would appreciate it if you accepted what I am saying and put it to one side: this is not a psychological problem.

You are now going to ask me “well how do you explain your nighttime erections then?” to which I am going to reply “how do you know those nightime erections are sustained longer than the erection I struggle to keep hold of during the day?”.

As far as curiousjo “wanting to help” and being “entitled to his opinion”. It didn’t sound like an opinion and help to me. Sounded like someone declaring a fact (….period!) he has no right to declare, and someone accusing me of an addiction to pornography?

Originally Posted by casperjones
Well, we can all come up with theories. What we need to know is what your doctors say is the problem. Until then we all might as well shut up. It’s this information that might help others too. So let us know when you get the info.

Absolutely right.

Thank you and I will let you know.

As I have said prior, it is a lengthy (and costly, the Nightime study and follow-up alone cost me £1200!) process as I am under the care of a an eminent man in his field. He is the leading voice on Peyronie’s in the UK, has 27 years experience in the field of Urology and was, amongst other things, the Chairman of The Erectile Dysfunction Alliance from 1998 to 2003 and the Nominating Committee Member for The European Society Of Impotence Research from 1997 to 2000.

What is the state of play now? When will there be a diagnosis?

Originally Posted by willy wonka

People can push the “pschology” aspect as much as they want but I know my own body and I can tell you my mental state 110% is NOT a contributory factor or cause here….


Psichologic aspect doesn’t means that it ‘just a mental thing’. Mind and body are one thing.

What we are guessing, is that your penis is not broken, but, for some reason, unknwon factosr comes in play when you are conscious. It could be some chemicals that interfers with dopamine levels, adrenaline, or anyway something that contracts your smooth muscles. Not necessarily you could feel strange mood or anything.

Originally Posted by willy wonka

You are now going to ask me “well how do you explain your nighttime erections then?” to which I am going to reply “how do you know those nightime erections are sustained longer than the erection I struggle to keep hold of during the day?”.


In post #178 of this thread you said:
“I have done only one test so far, a Nighttime Tumescence Study last weekend which showed I do get nightime erections “
if those erections were abnormally short, I think MDs would have reported. It is my understanding that they noticed nothing different from normal.

It seems that you want to convince yourself that your penis is broken; cautious with this attitude, many Docs are somewhat similar to bureaucrats : if they don’t find an explanation, they could choice the easiest path and second your thought that your penis is broken although is not. It wouldn’t be the best of deals.

Originally Posted by marinera
What we are guessing, is that your penis is not broken, but, for some reason, unknwon factosr comes in play when you are conscious. It could be some chemicals that interfers with dopamine levels, adrenaline, or anyway something that contracts your smooth muscles. Not necessarily you could feel strange mood or anything.

Thanks for explaining.

Originally Posted by casperjones
What is the state of play now? When will there be a diagnosis?

I am on a 1-month course of cialis to, in the urologist’s words “increase blood flow to the area and maybe speed up a recovery” then after that I’m back down in London for an MRI and Ultrasound with injections.

Hi, I’m guessing this is the website for the clinic you attend seeing as how the person with the experience you mention (David John Ralph - Chairman of The Erectile Dysfunction Alliance from 1998 to 2003) lists his cv online there. http://www.andrology.co.uk/. Reading under their erectile dysfunction treatment section the following is wrtten:

‘We offer a wide range of investigations, by no means all of which will be required by every patient. Many will have already had their hormones tested but some will not. All men should have a detailed consultation and clinical examination at which time a full history will be taken. Often a test injection will be given to see if this enables the man to obtain an erection. Should this be the case then that can be offered as a form of therapy. If not then further investigation may be warranted such as colour Doppler ultrasound or monitoring of the overnight erections (NPT monitoring).’

The above says that your first and only test is normally performed last. This seems odd. If this was the case, why was this the case? If you were given other tests including an injection to bring about an erection what were the results?

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Originally Posted by willy wonka
I am on a 1-month course of cialis to, in the urologist’s words “increase blood flow to the area and maybe speed up a recovery” then after that I’m back down in London for an MRI and Ultrasound with injections.

Are you sure you are getting the best treatment? There are plenty of people with lots of good credentials who are still as dodgy as they come. It seems odd to say the least that you should be given a ‘treatment’ to speed up ‘recovery’ when no diagnosis has been made. I can see the logic somewhat but it still seems odd that no other tests have been done and no diagnosis made and yet you are given a ‘treatment’.

Also, why was the NHS not able to help?


Last edited by casperjones : 09-01-2010 at .

Originally Posted by willy wonka
Sorry, but you didn’t mention which med school you studied at to gain your MD Degree? And where did you do your 6 year residency in Urology?

Since you didn’t answer my questions, I take it that you have not been with a girl. Likewise your dick has not been sucked by a hot chick. Therefore I can only conclude what you spend a lot of time whacking to porn whilst trying to maintain an erection.

I say get a chick on that stick and take it for a test drive. But she’s got to be hot. No cows! Holla!

Originally Posted by casperjones
Hi, I’m guessing this is the website for the clinic you attend seeing as how the person with the experience you mention (David John Ralph - Chairman of The Erectile Dysfunction Alliance from 1998 to 2003) lists his cv online there. http://www.andrology.co.uk/. Reading under their erectile dysfunction treatment section the following is wrtten:

‘We offer a wide range of investigations, by no means all of which will be required by every patient. Many will have already had their hormones tested but some will not. All men should have a detailed consultation and clinical examination at which time a full history will be taken. Often a test injection will be given to see if this enables the man to obtain an erection. Should this be the case then that can be offered as a form of therapy. If not then further investigation may be warranted such as colour Doppler ultrasound or monitoring of the overnight erections (NPT monitoring).’

The above says that your first and only test is normally performed last. This seems odd. If this was the case, why was this the case? If you were given other tests including an injection to bring about an erection what were the results?

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Are you sure you are getting the best treatment? There are plenty of people with lots of good credentials who are still as dodgy as they come. It seems odd to say the least that you should be given a ‘treatment’ to speed up ‘recovery’ when no diagnosis has been made. I can see the logic somewhat but it still seems odd that no other tests have been done and no diagnosis made and yet you are given a ‘treatment’.

Also, why was the NHS not able to help?

The only NHS Doctor I’ve seen was an neurologist who was flumoxed as to how I could’ve damaged myself in this way. I was in no mood to wait weeks or months for NHS appointments and tests so I decided to go private and find the best man I could. In all honesty I was in a horrible mental state and couldn’t wait around. I needed to put something in motion.

As far as Mr Ralph goes and the NPT being the last study they usually do, I’m sure the investigations are catered to the individual and In my case he believes this is the best route to take. He’s a decent man, he has always given me the option and hasn’t insisted on me doing anything. He isn’t trying to “swindle” money out of me, Casper, if that’s what you’re thinking? When he brought up Cialis he said “shall we try this for a month?” (giving me the option) and then said “you can either buy a month’s supply from us for £90 or you can ask your gp for it” he then hand wrote a letter to my GP asking for it. He also said “I’m suggesting you do the trial of Cialis because it may help us rule out you having to have more tests and some of these tests aren’t very comfortable”. Not the work of a moneygrabber is it?

As far as it being odd that I’ve been given a “treatment” without a diagnosis, I agree. But I don’t think there’s anything sinister in it. I think he’s looked at my symptoms and the way I got them (“a minor compression injury” in his words) and he’s decided this might be worth doing for a month before I have any other tests.

Willy is correct about the nighttime erection and erections while awake.

I have been waking up both in the middle of the night and in the morning with erections, however, they are much different than before. Sensation is not very good and the actual erection could not penetrate, it is far too weak. Mine literally feels like it is hollow. I started out with a bunch of firm flaccid conditions, but as of late, there seems to just be a hollowness in my penis.

I kind of feel like Willy’s counterpart from the U.S. With this whole issue. The only difference I must point out is that it did not happen to me after just one session of jelqing. It was more like 3-4 sessions. I have seen 3 urologists to this point that have ruled out Peyronie’s, but that is about it thus far. I am seeing one of the leading specialists in the field of Peyronie’s and ED in mid-October. If anyone is familiar with Levine out of Rush University Medical Center, this is the specialist I will see.

It is nice that some here like marinera are trying to be helpful, but some members need to stop downplaying Willy’s situation. It is real and serious. I’m in college with a perfect GPA and have had some really great professional experiences and should be loving life right now, but I simply cannot, because I am going through what Willy is going through.

I know it seems impossible to some that Willy could have done this with just one session, but it is very possible. I have seen so many nightmarish changes to my penis in the last 7 months that I do not even know where to start. I am also very healthy, as I play sports and am in good shape. This situation is real and scary. Please only provide helpful advice to the injured members here and try not to be too harsh, because terrible stuff happens, and it is very devastating.

Originally Posted by willy wonka
The only NHS Doctor I’ve seen was an neurologist who was flumoxed as to how I could’ve damaged myself in this way. I was in no mood to wait weeks or months for NHS appointments and tests so I decided to go private and find the best man I could. In all honesty I was in a horrible mental state and couldn’t wait around. I needed to put something in motion.

As far as Mr Ralph goes and the NPT being the last study they usually do, I’m sure the investigations are catered to the individual and In my case he believes this is the best route to take. He’s a decent man, he has always given me the option and hasn’t insisted on me doing anything. He isn’t trying to “swindle” money out of me, Casper, if that’s what you’re thinking? When he brought up Cialis he said “shall we try this for a month?” (giving me the option) and then said “you can either buy a month’s supply from us for £90 or you can ask your gp for it” he then hand wrote a letter to my GP asking for it. He also said “I’m suggesting you do the trial of Cialis because it may help us rule out you having to have more tests and some of these tests aren’t very comfortable”. Not the work of a moneygrabber is it?

As far as it being odd that I’ve been given a “treatment” without a diagnosis, I agree. But I don’t think there’s anything sinister in it. I think he’s looked at my symptoms and the way I got them (“a minor compression injury” in his words) and he’s decided this might be worth doing for a month before I have any other tests.

You see the more information you give, the more we can understand what happened. In regards to the prices, one minute you are saying the treatment is costly the next you are defending the costs, all I’m saying is that a Harley Street address and lots of experience and qualifications doesn’t preclude someone from being dodgy either in prices or how they operate. Just be wary and seek out information. Seeing as the NHS is a resource that you wouldn’t have to pay for, perhaps pursuing both avenues might be a good idea.

I think a lot of people reading this might find it odd again that you don’t seem too concerned with the issue of how this happened. Nor do you ever give explicit details of what people say. If it were me the issue of how it happened would be important for me. “What happened? How can I fix it?” If the doctor had said “a minor compression injury” then I would say,”What does that mean?” “How common is it?” “Why did it happen?” “How long will it take to heal?” etc. etc. But it seems you don’t ask these questions or provide information about them to this forum. A compression injury in my understanding is what you might get in your lower back if you carry lots of weight from day day to day. A search on Google for penis compression injury yields no results apart from those where there has been an ancillary effect on the penis due to pelvic compression etc.

You seem to have accepted the idea that a ‘jelq’; basically another word for squeezing your penis, something that, no doubt, millions of people are doing at this very moment, was responsible. However, all the people you have seen tell you that it is very strange that this could have caused any injury. Yet, you don’t ask or seem really too concerned with actually how this happened.

All the best to you man, hopefully you get diagnosed and & are fixed up. I know all too well the pain of having a cock problem & struggling to fix it. Check the firm flaccid penis thread, haven’t read this entire thread so I dunno if it’s relevant to you but there’s a lot of good info in there. I, and other members have also posted extensively on venous leaks.

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