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What do we think about IPR?

What do we think about IPR?

It seems many people gained without taking the principle into account. But it makes sense scientifically.

Can someone move this to the Penis Enlargement forum?

It makes a lot of sense to me. It’s obviously not the place to start, but I think if you’ve done a couple of cycles of PE followed by decon breaks, and are having a tough time gaining anymore, it makes a lot of sense. I am currently in about week two of a decon break, and I’m definitely considering trying some kind of IPR approach when I return to PE in another four to six weeks. I really am only sitting on the fence about the idea because I have never tried hanging before, and I’m also considering trying that, as I’d like to try to get some length before any more girth.

What’s IPR mean?

It stands for “Inflammation/Proliferation/Reformation” and it’s probably best to do a search for threads about it, as it is its own unique theory of getting the penis to grow via the body’s own healing process. You may even want to do a Google search on the idea in a non Penis Enlargement specific way. Or read through a thread titled “Finding Xeno” where it is discussed at length.

I like it a lot.

However, the method is rather extreme. Requires a series of measured risks with the intent of causing some level of tissue damage that causes irritation and inflammation. Given that everyone is in a unique place conditioning wise, what exactly qualifies as Inflammation for that particular person varies widely. As walking the injury line is key in IPR. Too little damage and nothing happens. Too much and you’re hurt and setting yourself back or toughening the penis and creating no good progress. So, crafting your I-phase work is a lot of trial and hopefully error on the side of caution until you tune the routine to your needs.

Also, it requires a moderate to advanced knowledge of exercises and devices and knowledge about how they affect *you*. I don’t recommend it to Newbies but if you’ve gotten gains and know what positive PIs and gains look like but are stalled, it’s worth a try if you’re open to trying a lot of different things or higher intensity things.

Also requires a lot of patience and waiting. Something Newbies just don’t have from the jump typically.

It’s my current method, as I’ve gotten so much PE time logged that I’m conditioned and learned in many methods and it makes me more able to utilize my time better. Plus it works around methods I’m already comfortable with.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

I am loving it, with the exception of taking 6 weeks off on the R phase. So while I appreciate the time off I miss the pleasant sensation of a tightly clamped penis.

I’m in the R phase on my second round. I’ve gained .25 inches in girth and my flacid hang is now so big that briefs are uncomfortable and I am back to boxer shorts.

In addition I had an amazing masturbation session where I surfed the edge of bliss for 40 minutes. Not sure if this is related. I was also experimenting with multiple orgasmic techniques at the time.

Everyone who goes beyond the elastic range is creating this cycle.
People who dont do a dedicated rest phase and follow the principle etc. still gain. Why? Im not sure but suspect that they still heal enough over time to finish the IPR cycle by “accident” for most of the molecules/parts of tunica they affected.

You will in most cases not hit the same parts of the tissue with the same intensity.
If you still do and too much I phase is accumulating then you will probably be forced to pause cause of bad EQ or simply feeling too sore. Or dialing it back automatically which then creates sort of a P phase.

Many do 1 on 1 off or similar which means the I phase is sort of finished for the molecules affected before new exercises. Restarting exerices might hit different molecules. These molecules then hit I phase while others get the P phase treatment and so on. So possible to gain without any consideration into aligning it with IPR conciously.
If you could have knowledge of every molecule and in which phase it is it would be perfect and you could optimally use IPR.

Im not sure what happens if you grossly work against the IPR cycle with the affected parts/molecules.

I personally think more work equals more results, but I could change.

Some reading on the biological process that IPR seeks to exploit:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2015/860934/

A couple of highlights:

“When the fascial tissue lengthens, the fibroblasts flatten themselves and expand, increasing their area of action. In this way, the fascia can sustain the tension without difficulty, as the flattening and lengthening of the fibroblasts result in a slighter and more sustainable strain.”

“Any variation in the form of a cell due to tension enhances a series of metabolic responses that perfectly reflect the nature, direction, and duration of the tension itself.”

“The fibroblasts secrete many growth factors and molecular subclasses, such as the connective tissue growth factor (CTGF/CCN2), the transforming growth factor-β (TGF-β), and the fibroblast growth factor (FGF): key molecules that are essential in order to preserve a proper metabolic environment [37–40].”

IPR has worked well for me.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Shaunbaby, you’ll learn to love the R-phase as well. It’s a a good break from PE, lots of free time, your dick gets really soft, smooth, and healthy. And when you come back to I-phase, you can almost feel the gains happening on that fresh tissue. It’s definitely noticeable, working on fresh tissue instead of tired out chronically inflamed tissue.

Xeno, that’s a good read. Great find. A clue to growth and gains from lower intensities. Also explains why my joints feel so good when I smoke.

“There is a close relationship between the endocannabinoid or endorphin system and the fibroblasts. The cannabinoid receptor or CB1 is mainly housed in the nervous system, but it can be found in the fascial system and in the fibroblasts as well, particularly near the neuromuscular junction [43]. This relationship is believed to better manage any inflammation and pain information originating in the fascial tissue, as the fascia undergoes continuous remodeling during the day [43, 44].”

But if smoking and massaging the fascia alone spurred growth, I would have grown a huge dick back in college. :D


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.3" x 4.8" volume 13.4 ci

Dickerschwanz, I agree any kind of PE is creating this cycle. It’s just a process of healing and growth that happens in our body from stresses put on it. It’s happening to all of us whether we “do IPR” or not. Some form of stunted remodeling-phase is happening even in guys who PE every single day.

TG, yes Xeno’s style of IPR employs high intensities, but viewed in the context of just coming off a 2 month break, they are not as outlandish as they seem. Extreme forces aren’t required. It can be anything that is sufficient force to cause growth for that individual. Xeno may put his cock in a vice, but a newbie could use IPR with moderate manuals and gain well with it.

The extended R-phase is what differentiates it from traditional PE schedules and makes it so effective, moreso than the extremity of the I-phase.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.3" x 4.8" volume 13.4 ci

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
TG, yes Xeno’s style of IPR employs high intensities, but viewed in the context of just coming off a 2 month break, they are not as outlandish as they seem. Extreme forces aren’t required. It can be anything that is sufficient force to cause growth for that individual. Xeno may put his cock in a vice, but a newbie could use IPR with moderate manuals and gain well with it.

I understand that. The thing is everyone does not. Jumping straight to 4 full force clamps is a common way to try IPR. I myself started with manuals then 3 clamps. It is a good technique. It requires a practiced hand at PE though and that isn’t universal.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 This is my story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *8* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith. Also Fitness helps too.

An important point that I don’t think we’ve touched on yet is that to optimize the IPR approach, one should employ a discretized stress application strategy…essentially activating the cellular mitosis cascade in as much fascial (tunica) and smooth muscle (CC and CS) tissue as possible. Generally speaking, other PE methods don’t achieve this. Remember PE is the sum of the parts that grow; if you have more parts that grow…well, you get the idea.

Wondered if you’d catch that endocannabinoid system reference BD :) .

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
Dickerschwanz, I agree any kind of PE is creating this cycle. It’s just a process of healing and growth that happens in our body from stresses put on it. It’s happening to all of us whether we “do IPR” or not. Some form of stunted remodeling-phase is happening even in guys who PE every single day.


I guess so.
Some switch up exercises and thus hit different parts with different intensities. Putting some cells into I phase on monday and others on tuesday. While the monday cells undergo less stress beeing in a semi P-phase.
I also think that not only stress accumulates but also healing and remodeling. (?)
If I do a 5on2off routine forever would the cells ever hit the R-phase through the accumulative rest from the off days?
If I hit a molecule too early again while it is in the R-phase is the whole prior P- and R-phase voided or will it “catch up”?

Originally Posted by xenolith
An important point that I don’t think we’ve touched on yet is that to optimize the IPR approach, one should employ a discretized stress application strategy…essentially activating the cellular mitosis cascade in as much fascial (tunica) and smooth muscle (CC and CS) tissue as possible. Generally speaking, other PE methods don’t achieve this. Remember PE is the sum of the parts that grow; if you have more parts that grow…well, you get the idea.


Wise words!

One can think about an optimal case where all cells desired are affected the same way putting them all right into the I phase.
Practically it wont happen perfectly. But maybe we can get near that.

What I consider doing right now, as I go for girth, to hit the tissue from different angles everyday like this:

Day1 - Clamped CS bends, compressors and jelqs.
Day2 - Clamped Side bends, compressors and jelqs
Day3 - Clamped Dorsal(CC uperside) bends, compressors and jelqs
Day4 - Rest or low intensity clamping.
-Repeat as a micro cycle.

Cycling this until enough inflammation is achieved in all parts and then go for a macro P and R phase.

I know for a fact that when I just moderately clamp that most of my dick is in the elastic range.
Only in adding bends etc. I achieve the expansion that seems to create some Inflammation and expansion that goes beyond elastic recoil range into the plastic range zone.
So doing each day a bend at a different place will ensure that this place will not be put into overdrive inflammation the next day.

Can you guys see what I try here? Does it makes sense in regard to IPR and maybe in context with your point above Xeno?

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