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What do we think about IPR?

Originally Posted by TigerStyle

Ha it’s so hard tho, something tells you this is my task, I have to work on it.

More means better. It’s just human nature. I did it forever in the gym. Did it with PE. Still find myself adding stretches and jelqs all the time, when there really is no need. Sometimes less is more. But it seems counter intuitive.

How do you know you have achieved Inflammation?

Or optimum inflammation?

Negative PIs indicates inflammation or indicates too far?

Do enough damage, take enough rest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing

A successful I-phase feels like a soreness or worked out feeling in the target tissues.

I think almost all veteran PE practitioners are already experts at I-phase.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.4" x 4.9" volume 14.1 ci

I-phase and R-phase are clear as night and day, after going through a few cycles.

I think xeno was hinting at this earlier in this thread or another one.

The discretized nature of IPR style PE lends itself very well to using the scientific method. Here’s a quote from wikipedia on the steps of the process.

“A linearized, pragmatic scheme of the four points above is sometimes offered as a guideline for proceeding:

1.Define a question
2. Gather information and resources (observe)
3. Form an explanatory hypothesis
4. Test the hypothesis by performing an experiment and collecting data in a reproducible manner
5. Analyze the data
6. Interpret the data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
7. Publish results
8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)

The iterative cycle inherent in this step-by-step method goes from point 3 to 6 back to 3 again.”

It’s fascinating to think about those steps and how they’re reflected in the forum so much. We are each other’s information gathering resource, our interpretation soundboards, the forum is our publishing journal, and we are each other’s retesters.

Anyway, with IPR you get to come up with a plan for your I-phase, and you have 1-3 months to do this during your rest. Then you try out the I-phase plan. It could be anything, any form of PE you can think up, and it should take 1 month or less. You can take measurement during I-phase exercises to look for effectiveness, and measuring to check for gains during P-phase and R-phase.

I think most routines are effective. It’s the R-phase that’s missing. You can do whatever your current routine is as your I-phase, or whatever you were planning on trying next. It might work. Keep going through steps 3 to 6 of the scientific method above, using I-phase as the experiment.

It doesn’t have to be xenolith’s style of concentrating the stresses into a few highly effective workouts, and minimizing the effort required to gain. But that’s a pretty good starting point. Everybody finds what they like, and what works for them. I’ve tried a lot of routines and stress application theories out, and they all seem to work. I’m still testing out new I-phases.

It helps a lot if you can gain more than about 0.2 ci or 0.3 ci per cycle, because that’s what I find to be the lower limit on a measurable gain, a noticeable size difference. If you don’t measure a gain, maybe the I-phase wasn’t effective, or maybe the gain was less than 0.2 ci. If so, it will show up on the ruler or the measuring tape later.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.4" x 4.9" volume 14.1 ci

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon

I think almost all veteran PE practitioners are already experts at I-phase.

Totally. It’s like that old saying “Good judgement comes from having bad experiences that are mainly a result of using bad judgement”. Or something like that. Having had clogged lymph vesels, and lots of donuts, and a thrombosed vein, I have come to know when I am about to cross the line from productive to destructive PEing. But your penile tissues aren’t growing while you are working them over, anymore than your muscles are growing while you are “under the bar” as they say. Work, eat, rest, repeat.

PE and physical training have a lot in common. Pushing the limits of productive, and toeing the line of destructive is what I go for.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.4" x 4.9" volume 14.1 ci

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon

PE and physical training have a lot in common. Pushing the limits of productive, and toeing the line of destructive is what I go for.

Very well said BD.

Additional insight into the biomechanical processes operant in the IPR Protocol:
http://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2422100

A highlight:

“These data conclusively showed that biomechanical strain had profound and, perhaps, clinically relevant effects on several cellular processes, such as proliferation, apoptosis, and cytokine production.”

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I must admit, 5 PE workouts in 14 weeks seems an odd route considering most gainers invest hundreds of hours in the same time frame. 5 sets of bench press in 14 weeks would not build your pecs, and 5 yoga sessions in 14 weeks would not improve your flexibility.

Some of the points made in the IPR threads are intriguing. I too noticed that the first two weeks of PE seem to be the most productive. But why would further work diminish the gains made in those weeks if appropriate rest were applied? And why the extended R phase? There has not been enough work done for the penis to have become conditioned, so extended deconditioning is not necesaary, and it certainly does not take three months to heal.

I don’t have any experience doing macro IPR, so I can’t say one way or another if I think it is effective. I can only say that the gains I have experienced all occurred during extended periods of concerted effort and appropriate rest.

I applaud everyone who has contributed here and in the past. Mostly I am just curious as to how many people have used the macro cycle successfully? How many have recorded a perminent half inch gain in a year worth of macro cycles?


Starting (10 / 2006): 5.8~BPEL, 5~BG ----> Current: 7.6 BPEL, 5.6 BG ----> Goal: Pringles Can

Originally Posted by WhiskeyFish
I must admit, 5 PE workouts in 14 weeks seems an odd route considering most gainers invest hundreds of hours in the same time frame. 5 sets of bench press in 14 weeks would not build your pecs, and 5 yoga sessions in 14 weeks would not improve your flexibility.

Some of the points made in the IPR threads are intriguing. I too noticed that the first two weeks of PE seem to be the most productive. But why would further work diminish the gains made in those weeks if appropriate rest were applied? And why the extended R phase? There has not been enough work done for the penis to have become conditioned, so extended deconditioning is not necesaary, and it certainly does not take three months to heal.

I don’t have any experience doing macro IPR, so I can’t say one way or another if I think it is effective. I can only say that the gains I have experienced all occurred during extended periods of concerted effort and appropriate rest.

I applaud everyone who has contributed here and in the past. Mostly I am just curious as to how many people have used the macro cycle successfully? How many have recorded a perminent half inch gain in a year worth of macro cycles?

I’ve hit a wall for some time and just went on decon break. After these two months and the I phase pass, I’ll report whether the rest deconditioning period did the trick. I suspect it just might. Obviously Xeno gained well doing it, micro probably works as well. But they seem to work at around the same pace. Which makes macro far more efficient (lot of assumptions here, just theories of course for now).


Start Jun 16" - 6.5" BPEL x 5" MSEG

Current 7.125" BPEL x 5.3125" MSEG

Goal 5.5" (14cm) MSEG

The idea is simply that after you impacted the tissue deep into the plastic range you don’t need any further expansion cause the damage is already done.
Then you need to wait for the IPR cycle to complete. IPR cycle is proven for tissue to apply.

Note that it needs rather high intensity to get there. Many doing their 4-6 times a week routine probably reach inflammation only after many weeks accumulating “fatigue” here and there.
If you create inflammation you will have to have a pause at some point.

I gain with no heat, warm up, or cool-down.


September 1, 2016 - BPEL: 7.25in MSEG 4.75in EL: 5.5in FG 3.75in FL 3.5in

June 1, 2017 - BPEL: 8.375n MSEG 5.375in EL: 6.5in FG 5.0in FL 5.125in

PE Goal: BPEL: 8.5in MSEG: 6.5in EL: 8.0in FG 5.5in FL 6in

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
The idea is simply that after you impacted the tissue deep into the plastic range you don’t need any further expansion cause the damage is already done.
Then you need to wait for the IPR cycle to complete. IPR cycle is proven for tissue to apply.

Note that it needs rather high intensity to get there. Many doing their 4-6 times a week routine probably reach inflammation only after many weeks accumulating “fatigue” here and there.
If you create inflammation you will have to have a pause at some point.

It looked to me like the exercise schedule recommended by Xeno was not especially intense. In fact I found it reminiscent of the newbie routine; start with 200 Jelqs and increasing at a factor of 1.1. After a two month break this is probably more than enough to reach fatigue, but I don’t think that you risk any sort of injury as long as you are careful.

I like the theory in general as it adheres to what we have been basing our workouts on for a long time; damage the tissue, allow time to heal, repeat until the tissue becomes conditioned to the stress, and then de-condition the tissue and start again. I think this is fairly sound and I don’t think we have many people who would dispute its general effectiveness. It just seems like the intensity of the cycle would not do enough damage to merit a two month de-conditioning break.

We have always accepted that everyone is different to an extent and that there is no one golden standard of PE. Tailoring the time intervals for work, healing, and de-conditioning to your own personal physiology is just one of the challenges we all face, so I try not get too caught up with hyper specific time frames or exercise intensities. This cycle worked very well for Xeno, and I do intend to give it a try, but I do intend to shorten the cycle after I give the normal cycle and few tries and see what happens.

Overall I am very glad that this theory exists. It reminds us that rest and healing are as important to gaining as the actual exercises.

Cheers.


Starting (10 / 2006): 5.8~BPEL, 5~BG ----> Current: 7.6 BPEL, 5.6 BG ----> Goal: Pringles Can

To initiate IPR cycle and warrant a rather long R phase, I think a damage that goes well into the plastic range, is needed.
Of course for a newbie it will be rather low intensity.
Xeno meanwhile is using tiger traps etc. to keep gaining..

I myself clamped heavily followed by a long R phase and gained nothing. That’s cause I only expanded within the elastic range and bounced back.
Only after some heavy bends and stuff during clamping I finally managed to get into plastic expansion range.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyFish

I must admit, 5 PE workouts in 14 weeks seems an odd route considering most gainers invest hundreds of hours in the same time frame.

This is a mischaracterization of the workout schedule. It is in fact 5 workouts over 15 days. And then 8 to 12 weeks off.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyFish
5 sets of bench press in 14 weeks would not build your pecs,

Who said anything about 5 “sets” ? We are talking workouts, not sets. 5 sets might not make you stronger, but 5 chest workouts in 15 days most likely would. As a matter of fact, with only two days rest in between workouts, a lifter would have to keep his work volume low in order to recover adequately. We know we are not talking about building muscle, so the analogy falls apart here. Muscle mass built would not remain there for 12 weeks. We are trying to encourage “cellular mitosis”. Newly grown penis would likely remain.

I just think your understanding of the IPR protocol is not very strong, and obviously, your math is really gone awry.

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