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What do we think about IPR?

R-phase begins 48 hours after, so it would take advantage of it somewhat.


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Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
Shaunbaby, you’ll learn to love the R-phase as well. It’s a a good break from PE, lots of free time, your dick gets really soft, smooth, and healthy. And when you come back to I-phase, you can almost feel the gains happening on that fresh tissue. It’s definitely noticeable, working on fresh tissue instead of tired out chronically inflamed tissue.


Extra free time is good. Allows for longer fapping at the edge. And I think being hard is approximating the P phase while not inhibiting the R.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Where is the line where we inhibit the R-phase? Beyond the elastic range?

Yes, for sure. But what about the elastic range itself? I don’t know.


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Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Where is the line where we inhibit the R-phase? Beyond the elastic range?


Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
Yes, for sure. But what about the elastic range itself? I don’t know.


Yes, this is the seminal question my friends. The magic is in the R; but how to optimally configure it…which needs to be calibrated to (some degree) to I and P…yea, I’ve spent 10 years experimenting, iterating and thinking about this and I still have no clarity on how much R relative to I and P is best. All I know for sure is that it’s super important and that it’s magnitude is positively correlated to intensity of I-phase work…but I have no idea what that coefficient looks like…but I’m guessing that there’s an exponent in the equation.

I’m going to have more to say, but for now, I want to suggest marijuana use in IPR based PE; endocannabinoid system activation, per the info in BD’s quote from the reference that I linked: ” This relationship is believed to better manage any inflammation and pain information originating in the fascial tissue, as the fascia undergoes continuous remodeling during the day [43, 44].”. What I think that this is saying is that use of cannabis catalyses the inflammation induced cellular mitosis response. The reference to pain is simultaneously interesting and disconcerting. Something for another post.

FWIW, I always smoke marijuana before an I-phase workout. But, as in all things, what I do may not be for you. FWIW.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
The magic is in the R; but how to optimally configure it…which needs to be calibrated to (some degree) to I and P…yea, I’ve spent 10 years experimenting, iterating and thinking about this and I still have no clarity on how much R relative to I and P is best. All I know for sure is that it’s super important and that it’s magnitude is positively correlated to intensity of I-phase work…but I have no idea what that coefficient looks like…but I’m guessing that there’s an exponent in the equation.

The range beyond the elastic until total rupture is quiet wide. (In above left pic between region 2-8.)
Logic tells me the lower we hit in that range the less R could be needed.
Question is if hitting higher in the range will yield more gains then hitting it just about. At the higher end (above 4 in pic) micro tears/trauma appear. The lower range(2-3) can be “therapeutic” and talks about failing cross links and permanent deformation.

That lower range sounds nicer to me but I’m sure some hit the micro tears range and gained from it. Aiming for the lower side of the range obviously could lead to just hitting the higher elastic range.(which in accumulation over many exercises could still net hitting the plastic range)
Maybe apart from numbers we can define PI ‘s that hint us where we hit in the range. That could point us towards how we should handle the R-phase.

I’m trying to record some expansion data in my log which I could correlate. What I surely know is that there is quiet a difference between hitting the high end of elastic range and crossing over into plastic range in PI ‘s. Obviously expansion but also a much more fleshy stretched out feeling. (talking about girth expansion). An actual inflamed definite hot feeling to the touch hours after exercise and the next day(s).

Clearly feeling worked and a good sore or fatigue means that one got beyond the elastic range. When I clamped for months and gained nothing(recoiled elastically) I never felt that. Now going rather hard I can feel that I got beyond the elastic range.

I second the seeming benefit of MJ to PE. Your literature suggests that it could directly influence the workout? It always felt like it was only the relaxing part of pelvic floor etc. but I seemed to induce expansion easier.(similar to heat helping)
Not smoking these days for other reasons though.

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon

Yes, for sure. But what about the elastic range itself? I don’t know.

I don’t think that short amounts of going well into the elastic range will impede the R phase considerably.

A raging erection is already hitting the elastic range.

What would surely influence it are long-time and high-frequency bouts of hitting well into the elastic range.

Extending shows that hitting the elastic range in that way will accumulate stress and deformation. (If you stretch a balloon for a year with very low air intake it will still deform/stress.)

So that would mean low intensity clampathons (Big Girtha?) or priapism/balooning 4h+ duration erections to create new IPR stimuli.

https://books.google.com/books?id=q…h%20ipr&f=false

This fellow does a nice job explaining IPR; indeed, the entire content of the book is reflective of a thorough understanding of tissue proliferation.

Highly recommended reading.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
https://books.google.com/books?id=q…h%20ipr&f=false

This fellow does a nice job explaining IPR; indeed, the entire content of the book is reflective of a thorough understanding of tissue proliferation.

Highly recommended reading.

xeno

There is a diet in the book? Something usefull? Could you please describe it a little?

437 pages for a book about pe.

Xeno if someone was after length more so how would one go about it? I’ve been toying with the idea of fulcrum work at many angles or even multiple clamps/TT use before a longer set of vacuum hanging. Or should I save IPR for my girth campaign.

My theory is the fulcrums or multiple clamps/TT applies the descretized stress and then the longer set of vacuum hanging will keep it stretched out. This will be in addition to Bzb and SS stretches and ADS


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG

04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... Restart PE in late 10/2013... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Xeno if someone was after length more so how would one go about it? I’ve been toying with the idea of fulcrum work at many angles or even multiple clamps/TT use before a longer set of vacuum hanging. Or should I save IPR for my girth campaign.

My theory is the fulcrums or multiple clamps/TT applies the descretized stress and then the longer set of vacuum hanging will keep it stretched out. This will be in addition to Bzb and SS stretches and ADS


Looks like a good strategy to me.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Looks like a well thought out book by TP member DomnariRailings. A condensation of the collective TP theories on the anatomy and psychology of PE.


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Originally Posted by Pumpbra
There is a diet in the book? Something usefull? Could you please describe it a little?

437 pages for a book about pe.

Eat only high dose weed brownies.

I mix the PE and pot as well, sometimes.

It can be easy to start overthinking the P-phase and R-phase. A simple takeaway from IPR theory is that we can take a 1-3 month break several times per year and continue to gain at the same rate or faster than we would have without the breaks. Same gains, half the work, or a quarter of the work, or even less.

We spend so much effort attempting to increase our gains rate. How awesome would it be if you could triple your gains rate? Pretty awesome.

Well, you can triple the value of your (gains / work) rate. Just take 2/3 of the time off. While you are PE’ing you will technically be gaining at 3 times the rate. It removes a lot of the tedium.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.3" x 4.8" volume 13.4 ci

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
I mix the PE and pot as well, sometimes.

It can be easy to start overthinking the P-phase and R-phase. A simple takeaway from IPR theory is that we can take a 1-3 month break several times per year and continue to gain at the same rate or faster than we would have without the breaks. Same gains, half the work, or a quarter of the work, or even less.

We spend so much effort attempting to increase our gains rate. How awesome would it be if you could triple your gains rate? Pretty awesome.

Well, you can triple the value of your (gains / work) rate. Just take 2/3 of the time off. While you are PE’ing you will technically be gaining at 3 times the rate. It removes a lot of the tedium.

Ha it’s so hard tho, something tells you this is my task, I have to work on it.

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