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Bib's LOT Theory

Having completed a month of PE, I made new measurements, as precise as I could and with same conditions as the previous measurements. Also I made the measurements after 72h off of PE.

I have grown 0.29” BPEL in one month. And that is the case of a newbie with no LOT in any angle, technically.

Being new here, I’ve just come across this LOT stuff .. *Whew* - what a blur of ideas, hypotheses and confusion! But there is no Theory here, just ideas.

My immediate impression is that Bib’s LOT Hypothesis is immediately faulted, because as we all should by now realise (if we’ve read the anatomy lessons properly):

(I) the ligaments hold the penile shaft up and against the front and underside of the pubis symphysis, so resist outward and to a lesser extent, downward forces
(Ii) although the tunica essentially binds the corpora cavernosum and corpus spongiosum, it does, as we all know, resist stretching outwards, like the suspensory ligaments.
Also, IMO, (iii) the attachments (called origins) of the perineal/penile muscles within the pelvic frame/floor, will remain tightly bound whatever you do to try and wrench them out of you, so no pulling, weights or
Contraptions used (short of causing serious trauma, which of course we avoid), will produce ‘slackness’ in those muscles’ attachments to the pelvis

To me, these factors imply that there should be no resistance to an inward tug-back and the LOT Hypothesis doesn’t explain how anyone with for example, a LOT 10 or more, and pulling as hard as they can on their ligaments, then gets no tug-back below ‘10 o’clock’. Such a person should be anatomically virginal and undamaged.

Even a LOT 8 or 9 should see no loss of tug-back; if they do, then the LOT Hypothesis should infer that there is actually some stretching within the ligament which is masking that tug-back effect.

So, I say it’s nothing to do with the state/degree of stretch of the ligaments or tunica, but is to do with the strength of the muscles. I guess those with great gains and low LOTs have simply got used to using so much force in the lower angles to overcome the perineal muscles’ action - and so no tug.

I think that earlier posts, by Modesto Man, WestLA and others, are closer to the truth

Stats (BP) 2004/04/14 5.25 x 5.0 2013/01/29 6.625 x 6.125 Goal - 8.5 x 6.75 - ETA Jan 2025

Have no tug-back until 11 - 12 o’clock. Went to OTS with 20 lbs., dramatic and quick gains.


I don’t know what tunica is and I don’t know how to do these excersices and I wish I had a video to see this. I’m more of a visual guy. But if it helps, I just started yesterday and I had a tug back at (10:00) but I don’t know if I pulled rite or not.. I tried other directions and I feel no tug back.. Maybe a 1% on 12:00.can anyone please help me?! A video would be even awesome!! I’m confident in my sexualality so I don’t care about another guys dick I just wanna see how to do it .for dummies like me

Which exercises, Xemmie? There are videos and the PE guide in the newbie sections, you don’t need to know LOT - actually you can just forget it completely.

I feel tugback at every position including 6 o’clock. Does this mean that I have tight ligs and therefore should continue to focus on stretching them? It’s

late and I have found that this thread has left me in confusion. Sorry for not understanding it, I am in zombie mode right now. But please fill me in as to what feeling tugback at 6 o’clock means. Cheers

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Gain goal: 1"BPEL x 0.5" meg

Really, just forget about LOT Theory. As far as most are concerned, it has been shown not to be important to gains.

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I think Lot theory is a Zombie sneaking up trying to eat my brain. :cry:
Hahaha! Thanks guys, appreciate the input!

This theory was sounding like valid, empirical info until I started reading the thread. I which point I realized that either i’m confuse or others are. If I had he time I would paste quotes from both the original theory and from the comments which are contradictory but unfortunately I can’t at the present time.

I’m a newb and I have tugback at 6 o’clock… Bib please feel free to elaborate on this. Being a newb, I feel I should have a very high level of plastisicity

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Originally Posted by firegoat
Really, just forget about LOT Theory. As far as most are concerned, it has been shown not to be important to gains.

Forget LOT? Cool, because I have an extremely low LOT. I saw tug back at 6 o’clock. Should I continue using my present routine or can use my new knowledge of LOT to help me determine which exercises will be the most beneficial?

21 Dec 13 BPEL: 7.25" EG: 5.25" BPFSL: 7.25"

Low LOT exercises

I have a very low LOT. Apparently, this means that the majority of the stretching exercises on this site will be of no benefit to me in gaining length. Can someone with a low LOT, who experienced nice gains, recommend some good exercises or routines?

On a separate note, as you can see in my signature block, I experienced some gains early on. Well, I measured again this morning and it looks like I lost my gains. WTF? The gains I show below are the gains I got from doing the Newbie Routine and from jelqing with a flaccid penis. Should I go back to that? I’m a little confused.

21 Dec 13 BPEL: 7.25" EG: 5.25" BPFSL: 7.25"

Ignore LOT, it was an interesting idea and certainly one that in it’s time caused a lot of us to bone up on our anatomy but it’s not an idea that relates to the physical reality well. If you see a LOT thread that doesn’t preface it’s first post with a warning to ignore LOT, please let us know. Thanks.

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I ignore the LOT theory completely. Hasn’t prevented me gaining one bit.

Starting stats:- Dec11th2008 7.2"bpelx6" meg.Mar23rd09 8.375"bpel x 6.125"meg. Mar10 8.4" bpelx6.125" meg.

Goal: 8"nbpel x 7" A one eyed monster by any standard :)

Would you mind helping me understand this better. I’ve read 3 different post about your theory. And I’m still somewhat confused.

My erections point upwards. So doest this mean I should stretch Down towards 6oclock.

I’m same size as you were starting out. 6 1/4 by 5.5 I’d be stoked with 8x6 or 8x7.

My first month of PE I actually lost size. I started at 6.5 by 5.75 and went to 5.5 by 5.5 really disappointing. But got some better info. Realized I was over working my junk. No I’m back to 6.14 by 5.5 I don’t wanna lose what I have. But I’d welcome some gains. I’d destroy my wife if I had your size. Really I just wanna feel and satisfy her more.

So could you if you have the time. Help me understand this better. Thanks

Sorry for grammar.

I seem to have tug back left and right. But when I pull straight out. I really don’t notice any If Little tub back. And same with straight down. 6 o’clock. I don’t seem to get tug back.

My questions are. What lot am I? Would I get easy gains ? And which way should I be stretching/hanging? Thanks bib


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