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Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

I agree. It does seem that way. It really isn’t.

Thanks for your positive attitude and generous philosphical outlook.


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Originally Posted by xenolith
avocet-

I don’t appreciate your “rain on your parade” language and your suggestion that I’m trying to “attract an audience”. This thread is not a parade and I’m not trying to attract an audience. In addition, “losing folks” is of no concern to me. Indeed, I don’t want to be bothered by anyone who hasn’t read the book I’ve recommended and spent some time experimenting with the practices described therein. It’s out of courtesy and good will that I respond to those who clearly haven’t done these things. Allow me to remind you of why I started this thread: as stated in my first post of this thread;

In starting the thread, continuing discussion of the book, and interpretating it from time to time, you are promulgating its message. Absolutely nothing wrong with doing that.

You seem to think I was being hostile, which was not my intention. I hoped you could explain more to Eastern philosophy newbies what some of these terms mean in the context of normal (or abnormal) physiological events in their own lives so that they could relate better. But if this is a Read The Book Or Don’t Talk thing, that’s okay if you want it that way in your own thread.


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avocet8

Thanks for the clarification regarding your intent in your last post. I think it’s fair to say that I was a bit distressed when I responded to it due to the large magnitude of confusion and misunderstanding that I had encountered in my friend zane immediately prior to doing so. I’m sorry for having allowed that distress to distort my perceptions of what you were stating.

I do want to make something very clear. I started this thread reluctantly and only after much consideration of how I would handle it. I’m not going to waver from the decisions that I’ve made regarding how best to present this material. I’ve come to these decisions based on very painful learning experiences.

The explaining of terms and concepts associated with SKF has always caused difficulties for me, without exception costing me dearly in my relationships with those to whom I did the explaining. I’ve stated this several times. I know that my not attempting to do so is frustrating to readers of this thread. I’m truly sorry about that. But I know that I’m handling the presentation of this information in the best manner possible. To put it plainly, I’ve always failed at the explaining of terms and concepts associated with SKF and CCOs. At least if the response of those to whom I’ve explained them to is any indication…they’ve uniformly been turned off and away from both me and SKF. IOW, I succeed in doing a dis-service to those that I was trying to do a service to. I will not make that mistake again. It’s frustrating to me that, as far as I can tell, only Alice has chosen to read the book. He seems to like what he’s found in it very much. I’d very much like to hear from him with his more recent thoughts and impressions.

Frankly, I see my role in this thread as having been largely completed after my first post. That being to alert my fellow Thunder’s Place members of the existence of SKF and CCOs and informing them of where to look for additional information should they wish to know more. I had originally considered stating in my first post that it would also be my last, for the reasons I’ve repeated ad nauseum now. I chose not to do that for the primary reason of my sense of obligation to be available to try to help those who would read the book and subsequently have questions. Those people would have familiarized themselves with the terminology and concepts, relieving me of that most daunting and, based on my experience, proven impossible task. With the exception of Alice’s brief one or two posts which contained no questions pertaining to the practice, no one else has appeared under these circumstances. That’s fine. I’m equally happy to help or to not be asked to help. But if I’m going to be asked to help, one will need to have read the book in order that we can effectively communicate. Otherwise, its best that I limit my comments. I’m not being coy. I know this is the best way to be of service to my fellow members.


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Originally Posted by avocet8
You seem to think I was being hostile, which was not my intention.


I believe you. But I also believe you were more unpleasant than you needed to be. And that’s not a distortion caused by my distress over zane’s confusion, as I still believe it today.

However, it is true that I was distressed by the level of misunderstanding and confusion expressed by zane concerning CCOs and, more generally, MO (Microcosmic Orbit). The thing that I found most distressing was her confusion regarding the Aneros device, how it relates to development of chi and the utility of the device for purposes of achieving CCOs. I’ll explain some things relating to her confusion. I’m hope it will help her and many other members come closer to an understanding of the process of achieving CCOs.

Male sexual energy, also known as chi, is a yang substance, having characteristics of heat and volatility. The Aneros device is very good at stirring up chi. A good way to think about it is as a pot of fluid on a stove. This fluid has a very high coefficient of thermal viscosity…when at room temperature it’s a very high viscosity fluid, meaning it’s very resistant to flow, like molasses; when hot, it’s a very low viscosity fluid, meaning it flows readily, like water.

In order to achieve CCOs, one must draw chi from what is referred to as the Sperm Palace up to the crown center. You can think about the Sperm Palace as being the pot of fluid on the stove, chi as the fluid in the pot and the crown center as being your mouth. The mechanism by which chi is drawn from the Sperm Palace to the crown center is by means of one’s Microcosmic Orbit. You can think of the Microcosmic Orbit as being a paper mache straw between the pot of fluid on the stove and your mouth.

Now consider that in order for the straw to pass the fluid being drawn through it, the fluid must be at both the right viscosity and right temperature. Not hot enough, and the viscosity will be too high to pull through it through the paper mache straw, too hot and the heat of it will dissolve the paper mache straw. The latter condition is a good analogy for what happens to one’s Microcosmic Orbit when using the Aneros device. The heat under the pot gets turned up very quickly, too quickly to be able to control and the paper mache straw, IOW one’s Microcosmic Orbit, dissolves. Stimulation with the Aneros device results in what is akin to the pot of fluid boiling over, and the spilling of this fluid feels good. This is a prostate orgasm, or for purposes of this discussion, a leaking chi orgasm. This is why the Aneros device is not conducive to CCOs, the chi it generates gets too hot too fast, making controlling it impossible, which causes the Microcosmic Orbit to ‘dissolve’ under the shear heat of it. It’s like trying to capture and transport lightning in a paper bag…too difficult to do. Based on traditional Taoist teaching and based on my experience, which is consistent with traditional Taoist teaching, I don’t think anyone can achieve CCOs with the Aneros device installed. Simply put, it makes achieving them harder. No one would want to make achieving CCOs harder, it aint easy to start with. I’m sure guys that use the device have “mind-blowing” and whatever else descriptions one wants to use, orgasms, but in terms of traditional Taoist teaching and Seminal Kung Fu practice, they aren’t having Crown Chakra Orgasms. Of course, I could be wrong about this, but I’m as confident about this as I am about my own existence, death and taxes.

In order to achive CCOs, chi must be controlled, i.e. held at just the right ‘temperature’ and ‘viscosity’ in order to keep the ‘straw’ of the Microcosmic Orbit open. The way to successfully control chi is to allow it to heat up slowly, very slowly. Once it’s at the right condition, it can then be moved by means SKF up through the Microcosmic Orbit to the crown center, where, upon sufficient delivery of chi, spontaneously, a CCO will occur. The orgasm can be continued for as long as one can maintain the right condition (temperature and viscosity in our analogy) of their chi. Although viewing porn can be useful to get things starting to heat up, and actually, if one is careful and looks away for periods of time to keep things from heating too quickly (which will cause the MO to breakdown), all the way up until the CCO begins. But really, the SKF practice that one needs to be doing at this time to move chi along the MO will be requiring so much concentration that anything else in the room will effectively be a distraction to what one is trying to achieve. At some point, and certainly no later than once the CCO begins, I find the best thing to do is turn off the monitor/tv. One will want to be concentrating very intently on their SKF practice at this point as the sensations of the CCO are so pleasurable and attention holding that one will not want to be distracted by anything else in order to keep generating and maintaining the right condition of their chi, so that the CCO may continue. Like anything else that is a learned skill, practice makes one better able to do these things with more intuitiveness.

My appreciation for zane and all that she’s done to help me and my wife in our lives and my hurt at her confusion about this subject were great motivators for me to think about how to describe and assemble what I’ve presented in this post in a coherant way so as to make more clear what the problems are associated with an Aneros device assisted CCO (can’t be made to happen IMO) and, more generally, what the nature of the relationship between chi and the MO is.

Let me be clear on another thing. While it’s crucial that anyone interested in pursuing SKF and CCOs needs to read the book, no one can master it without reading it IMO, I will try to answer any questions posed to me. And to the best of my ability. It’s just that my experience has shown me to be poorly able to do so. Accordingly, my answer may often include the plea that the questioner read the book. But I’ll do the best I can to help my fellow members with this, whether they’ve read the book or not.


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Last edited by xenolith : 12-16-2005 at .

As I promised elsewhere in this thread, I’ll seek to assemble a coherent (that’ll be the hard part) descriptive summary of the HOW of SKF.


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Last edited by xenolith : 12-16-2005 at .

I’m sorry I hurt you, my goodness. Many men who use the Aneros feel nothing. When men do talk about the orgasms given by the Aneros, from what I’ve read there they do not consider them CCO’s, they call them prostate orgasms. What some of the men there said was that having the ability to have prostate orgasms woke up their tantric ability and they were then able to successfully have CCO’s, which they felt at the top of their skull. I don’t know enough about about male CCO’s to say definitively that they were having them; I was just reporting hearsay. You obviously are an expert on this, so if you say they were not having them, I certainly believe you. For that matter, I believe you if you say what I’m experiencing isn’t tantric—although it certainly is quite peculiar, physiological and very orgasmic.


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Thanks for your comments zane. Yes, I was hurt, because I like and care about you and don’t want you to be misled as clearly you have been by what you’ve seen posted on the Aneros board. I’m here to tell you, the hearsay you’ve received there indicating Aneros assisted CCOs is bullshit for the reasons I’ve indicated in my last post.

I’m no expert, but I know what I know.

All I’ve said about what you’re experiencing is that I believe you. For the same reasons that you believe me. We’re of the wrong gender to credibly discount the reports of each other. And I have no interest let alone the desire, to do so. But against members of my gender who suggest compatibility of the Aneros and CCOs, I will argue. Because they’re bullshitting. Because you’re not male, you could never find out the truth for yourself. I’m providing it for you here. I promise.


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Last edited by xenolith : 12-16-2005 at .

OK, here it is, typed directly, word for word from the book. This is the HOW of SKF:

1. Sit erect on the edge of your chair with your feet flat on the floor about shoulder width apart. Wear loose pants or wear nothing from the waist down, so it can literally all hang out. Do not practice naked in a cold room, or you could lose a lot of chi. With the air circulating around your bottom you’ll naturally become more aware of your “privates”. Allow your attention to center around your scrotum between the two testicles and you might be surprised to discover that it really is cold, or yin, down there. Make sure you feel very relaxed. If you are tense, do some stretching exercises or take a walk first to disperse tension.

2. Inhale slowly and pull the testicles up. Hold for awhile, then exhale slowly and lower testicles. As you inhale, think of the breath going down into the testes and filling them up. At the same time raise the testes with the breath. Gently continue inhaling and exhaling with the testicles until you feel a lot of cold energy in the scrotum. You may do this in a round of 9, then rest and practice again 3-6 sets. Use the mind alone to cause the movement of the testes up and down-don’t flex your penis or anus muscles.

After exercising for a week or two, you may observe the actual rise and fall of the testes with your breathing. This movement confirms that you are breathing properly. At a more proficient level, the lower abdomen will appear to move less: nearly all visible action will be in the scrotal sac itself. Breathe through the nose. The whole body must relax. Allow all tension to flow out of you as if you were in meditation. Use the mind alone to raise and lower your testes. With practice you will learn to identify the cold chi stored in the scrotum area.

3. Guide that “cold” feeling from your scrotum to your perineum by inhaling and pulling up slightly on your testicles. At the same time feel it coolly flow the few inches to the perineum, an action induced by putting your mind at the perineum and holding it there. Inhale and exhale several times at the testes to build up more energy. The retention of the chi at the perineum is very important, for if you release your attention the cold energy will drop down to the scrotum or leak out. It is just like you are using a straw to draw up the fluid. When you are out of breath and pause for a while you need to keep the attention by holding your finger over the straw. If you release it will drop down and you’ll have to start again. Do this for several days or until you get it.

4. Begin to draw the sex energy from the testes up the back channel, as if sipping on a straw. Always start with testicle breathing, inhaling and exhaling till you feel the chi energy is ready. Inhale, draw the “cold” from your testicles to the perineum and then draw it up to the coccyx, the very bottom of your spine, mostly bone, that’s called the hiatus opening of the sacrum.

When you pull the cool chi up to the perineum and then to the sacrum, slightly arch your lower back outward, as if you were standing with your lower back outward, as if you were standing with your back against a wall and flattening against it. Tilt the sacrum downward and hold it down in order to help activate the pump action, which will be further accentuated if you gently tighten the back of your neck and skull bones. Hold the energy at the sacrum for a while, then exhale but hold your attention at the sacrum.

Then let your sacrum and neck relax back to their normal positions, this will help activate the two pumps, sacral and cranium pump. At the same time do the testicle breathing. Bring the energy up to the sacrum again, hold it there till you can feel the sacrum open and the energy gradually move up. You can actually feel the cold energy move up a little at a time. If you’re having trouble feeling this, try rocking your sacrum back and forth and then hold still and observe the effect of this pumping.

There’s an indentation in the sacrum bone and that’s where you draw your testes’ “cold” energy. This particular area is usually a little difficult to work because sperm energy is denser than chi and has to be pumped up. So that’s where that pump comes in. Some people experience pain, or tingling or pins and needles when the “cold” enters the hiatus, so don’t be upset if it happens to you. You can get through the coccyx if you’re having trouble by gently massaging the area with a silk cloth from time to time.

5. If you’ve managed to go up to your coccyx, spend the next week drawing the cold to T-11 in your mid-back (the 11th thoracic vertebra). Do it in the same manner, with an inhale-exhale at the testes and sucking it up your spinal straw to the perineum, sacrum, T-11 (opposite your solar plexus, at the last “floating” rib). Pull up and retain at T-11 till it feels full and continues to open and move up by itself. Again, because sperm energy is denser than chi, you have to accommodate it by flexing that part of your back in and out to straighten it. That loosens it for freer passage of the “cold” energy.

At the T-11 adrenal glands energy center, sitting atop your kidneys. In Taoist practice we regard this as a mini pump, where your arch will create a vacuum to push up the energy higher.

6. Your next stopping place is at your jade pillow. This is at the back of your head, between C-1 and the base of the skull. Do it in the same manner as described by inhale-exhale at the testicle and keep on pumping up the energy up to perineum, sacrum, T-11 and the base of skull. In this area is a place to store the energy for further use.

7. Your next stopping point is Pai-Hui, at the crown of your head. Do it in the same manner only this time fill the straw to the top. Tilt the sacrum to the back in order to straighten the curve out a little bit to help activate the pump action. This gets the lower pumping going. At the same time you tuck in your chin a little and squeeze the back of your skull, it will activate the upper cranial pump. Keep on pulling up to the point dead center on top of the head.

8. When the energy finally goes up into your head, men will have the very distinct feeling that it’s spinning and usually in a clockwise direction, as you look up. If you’re alert you can count 36 revolutions. It should feel good and refreshing; the extra energy should help your creative power and improve your memory. You can think more clearly, and are the beginning stage of controlling your sexual urges or frustrations. This sperm energy is later converted into chi, the original life force, in the spiritual levels of Taoist yoga. When people get older they’ve used up so much of their chi that the brain energy and spinal fluid gradually drain out and dry up, leaving a cavity. The testicle breathing transports the sexual energy to fill the cavity and vitalize the brain. Taoists regard the sexual energy as very close to the brain energy.

9. Finally you can bring the sexual energy from the testes up to the head in one sweet draw up the straw, a single clean inhale. In the beginning you can just go from station to station, till you feel the back channel (governor channel) is more open. Eventually you will be able to put your mind in the testicles and the crown of the head and just mentally move the sexual energy from the testicles up all the way to the brain.

10. Take your time to really feel the “cold” when you practice. Don’t rush it, and always keep those pumps going as you breath in and out. Use more mind than physical pull when you do all this. Let the “cold” feeling be your guide. Work at it too hard and you’ll heat up the “cold” chi. You won’t be able to safely store this hot energy in your brain.

The Golden Nectar

When your head is filled with sperm energy the excess sexual chi may spontaneously combust with the chi in your higher centers and spill over into the Microcosmic Orbit and flow down through your palate and down the tongue. This will taste different to different people. It’s generally called the Golden Nectar but it can taste like champagne, honey, coconut juice, or fragrance of all kinds of things, or it can simply feel like a warm tingling sensation on your tongue.


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Last edited by xenolith : 12-21-2005 at .

I strongly recommend that guys strengthen their BC muscle to increase their chances of successfully mastering SKF. Here’s an exercise that I developed to strengthen my BC. It works great for that purpose.


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Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I’m a really slow typer guys. Consider my typing all that out to be my Christmas present to the Forum. Still, it’s not a substitute for reading the book.

Note that the sexual energy, chi, described in the transcribed HOW of SKF is “cold” energy. This is essentially what I was trying to explain to zane. In order to move chi in a controlled manner, it must not be too hot. Like it gets with the Aneros device. It’s great for prostate orgasms but not conducive for CCOs.

I think Mantak Chia’s comments in his 10th note are worth emphasizing for purposes of clarifying the distinction between cooler energy used for CCOs and hotter, faster energy used for lower center (ejaculatory or prostate) orgasms:

Originally Posted by xenolith
10. Take your time to really feel the “cold” when you practice. Don’t rush it, and always keep those pumps going as you breath in and out. Use more mind than physical pull when you do all this. Let the “cold” feeling be your guide. Work at it too hard and you’ll heat up the “cold” chi. You won’t be able to safely store this hot energy in your brain.


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Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 12-23-2005 at .

I know a guy with whom I’m friends with and he uses chi during sex. The women say that he’s a fantastic lover. I’ve slept with a couple of women with whom he has also slept and they’ve said that he was the best lover they’ve ever had. The man says that he can orgasm with the power of his own mind by using his own energy and that he can make a woman climax with his own energy too. This guy also can literally have sex all night,he has reached a high level of self-control and pleasure. He offered me the book from which he learned this stuff but I turned it down,lol,thinking it would’ve taken too much work to reach that kind level.

It was almost certainly the same book that I’ve recommended in this thread. By my reckoning, you are a fool. You have lots of company, including everyone who has read this thread and not bought the book.


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Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
It was almost certainly the same book that I’ve recommended in this thread. By my reckoning, you are a fool. You have lots of company, including everyone who has read this thread and not bought the book.

It could’ve been the same book or not. I’ll probably check this book out and ask my friend about his.

Good idea.


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Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

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