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Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

谢谢你,Sabbatia. Don’t worry about me, I’ve studied Chinese quite a bit. I know that sometimes I will have to “read between the lines” and not take the translation literally.

I look forward to reading these, as well as improving my Chinese vocabulary!


(12/5/2008) BPEL: 7.75" EG: 5.75" BSFL: 8.1" FL: 5" FG 4.25"||New Goal: NBPEL: 8" EG: 6"

Technique: 95% Wet Jelqing, 5% Low Vacuum Pumping

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Congratulation! You make a good choice!

I know some French because I heard that it has the most beautiful pronunciation, I am not quite sure about that. But it is no doubt that the most beautiful characters are Chinese!

I guess you recognize this? Abbreviation of your nation in Chinese


And I definitely love the Traditional Characters.

I started reading the second site, and the exercise descriptions remind me of Mantak Chia’s “Taoist Secrets of Love” and “Awakening Healing Energy Through the Tao”.

I am thinking about getting an English translation of Huang Di’s Inner Way (黄帝内经), since that is mentioned in that second site as the foundation of the theory.

Thanks again for the help. I love my 美国 and also my beloved 香港


(12/5/2008) BPEL: 7.75" EG: 5.75" BSFL: 8.1" FL: 5" FG 4.25"||New Goal: NBPEL: 8" EG: 6"

Technique: 95% Wet Jelqing, 5% Low Vacuum Pumping

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I won’t suggest you read that, it is HARD to understand, unless they translates it to some funny form. I always heard someone says:There is a Chinese old saying. But I have never heard those “saying”, I am good at ancient Chinese, it is not my problem.
It is said to be the foundation of Chinese medicine, but we even don’t know who have wrote it, sure it is not huangdi
If you want to know about those theories, a textbook for Chinese medicine is better, but I don’t know if there is an English edition.
And the “theories” are “jingluo” and “wuxing” and “qixue”
If you are going well with your current exercise, you don’t have to adopt a new one. It is not suggested to swith from many exercises.

I was thinking you are in Ireland:( . It is interesting that many “powers” of modern world have a good Chinese name, those create these words are scholars of Qing dynasty, they follow the tradition to make every words look and sound beautiful.
UK(Chinese call her England) France Italy Germany and sure the best name is for USA,hehe.
I would like to talk more about it, but it is off topic, I’d PM you.

I just wanted to give a recent history about myself before I get into this. I am a very physically fit, attractive, 21 year old male enrolled at a University. I have serious problems with premature ejaculation and impotence, which lead to depression and the lack of having a relationship. I used to be obese through puberty(now bodybuild, and very fit), and would constantly masterbate with ejaculation (it was an addiction) 3 to 4 times a day. I never knew this was so terrible until a few weeks ago, and i’ve been trying to turn this all around.

I went to an acupuncturist to help with the premature ejaculation problem, after 4 vists I still was not seeing any improvements and decided to stop going. At the last visit she reccomended “Taoists secrets of love” and I have been reading it the past week. I am determined to turn this around, because I can’t live like this anymore and its time for a change.

I just want to say thank you to xenolith for sharing his personal experience with this subject, because the book can be vague at times and it helps hearing the information coming from somebody that has dealt with it first hand.

I have re-read the steps of testicle breathing over and over again in the book (the same thing xenolith posted earlier) and am trying to sort this all out. I have never been one to notice suttleties in my body, but I am determined to find a way to work through this. My question is regarding the cold chi energy in the testicles. I am not sure if the tingling sensation I feel in my testicles when I focus on them is the actual chi energy I should be feeling. Bear with me while I try to explain this, but I can’t say that it feels cold, but more tingly, and it feels kind of nice. It isn’t hard for me to get the tingling sensation to move towards the perenium and towards the coccyx, but I am not even sure if that is the feeling I should be working to moving. I don’t even have to be concentrating too hard to get the feeling either, I can just focus on the testicles and it just kicks in(i’m actually feeling it right now just thinking about it). That would be great if you could shed some light to help clear up whether I am moving in the right direction or not.


Thank you for the kind words. I’ll tell you a quick bit about the situation that I fixed with SKF. I was a serial ejaculation junkie from about ages 17 to 19. I’d gone through some major serious shit, and was in a lot of psychological pain. I jacked-off to numb the pain. I don’t like to think about it now, but I think I was spending about 1/4 of my waking life jacking-off, probably like 20 ejaculations a day, sometimes more. I jacked myself unconscious on many occasions. Miserable fucking time in my life. I hated what had been done to me, I hated what what had been done to me did to me and I hated what I was doing to myself in order to numb my feelings of hate and pain, but I couldn’t stop. And I hated that most of all. I’d never had sex, and wasn’t interested in sex, so I don’t know if I had premature ejaculation and/or impotence problems, but I probably did. I jacked-off like a rabid monkey on crack…the faster I could cum the sooner I could jack off again (my dick was a shriveled up shadow of even my pre-PE size as a result of this maniacal jack-off practice, BTW). Then I discovered Taoist Secrets of Love-Cultivating Male Sexual Energy and the SKF practice that it describes. Long story short, within a year I had learned to separate orgasm from ejaculation, was no longer an ejaculation addict and was pursuing the next step, activating my MO. Which for all intents and purposes means getting one’s sacral pump working. That took another nine years. Shortly thereafter I was experiencing CCOs. IOW, I’d achieved SKF mastery, the mastery of one’s sexual function.

I tell you this because I want you to understand that no matter how bad your situation is, based on my own experience, I believe that its fixable. Now the bad news, it will almost certainly take a long time to achieve SKF mastery. Indeed, you may never. But don’t sweat that, there are benefits to one’s sexual function all along the path to SKF mastery. There are risks too. Principle among them is the risk of prostate enlargement due to seminal retention. At the very least, manage your risk by monitoring of your prostate. If you have a healthy prostate, based on my experience, once one has activated one’s MO, the risk to one’s prostate disappears and is replaced with a benefit to one’s prostate. In the case of a man with a less than healthy prostate, I’m unable to say whether the risk of prostate enlargement (or maybe worse, I don’t know) attendant with pursuing SKF is an acceptable risk or not (in fact I can’t say for anyone, irrespective of prostate health, if its an acceptable risk). I can say that in accordance with traditional Taoist teachings, illnesses can be cured with SKF practice. My experience corroborates that. The slightly enlarged prostate that I experienced (likely due to seminal retention) prior to achieving SKF mastery was cured (to extremely healthy condition) once I did achieve mastery. The bitch is that it takes SKF mastery to effect healing of illnesses while the getting to mastery can cause illness. But life’s a big ball of risks isn’t it? It is wise to do the best you can to choose which risks you expose yourself to. For me, even had I known of the prostate enlargement risk (I didn’t), the ability to go from where I was sexually to where I arrived at sexually at the other end of SKF mastery would still have represented a very acceptable risk. I’ve elaborated on the risk involved out of a sense of obligation for full disclosure and out of deference to avocet who has rightly advised me to spend some text on the subject. I hope I’ve met that obligation.

OK, risk discussion is over, back to your question. As far as I can tell, thats just the way it is with SKF. Its an extremely difficult training process that takes a very long time to master. Its a lot like PE that way, there aren’t any shortcuts. Most importantly, you’ll be getting more and more in touch with your sexual function all along the way towards complete mastery of it. IOW, you’ll be getting more and more “fixed” all the time. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

Having said that, its clear to me that you’ve already taken the first bite. That tingling feeling is your chi. Moving it into the coccyx is very difficult. The cooler it is the better. I really don’t know what to tell you that would be of assistance with getting it into your coccyx, which requires getting your sacral pump working (= activating your MO), that I haven’t already written elsewhere in this thread (the reply to godofdeviltry most recently, I think gives some good advice), other than to practice, practice, practice as if all were coming. Because, after all, all is coming. Little “guru” talk for iamaru :) .

Best of luck 5. For what its worth, I think you’re on the right track. And you’re starting out young enough that when all that is coming comes, you’ll be more and more “fixed” to meet it all the time.

originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.125" BPEL x 6.625" EG (ms); ultimately:..............Void...................

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddharta Gautama, The Buddha

While I’m here: The experience of CCOs completely changed my perspective regarding ejaculation. I simply think there are better things to do with seminal fluids. I’d wager that ANY MAN who experiences CCOs would come to the same conclusion. Although I enjoy a good ejaculation as much or more probably (as I probably have less of them than most men), than the next guy. And there is certainly good reason to do so outside of periods of SKF practice (see my comment about the risk of prostate enlargement in my previous post). For me year round SKF practice is not practicable. I think cycling it throughout the year makes the most sense. In my experience, it makes even more sense to cycle it coincident with PE gains campaigns.

originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.125" BPEL x 6.625" EG (ms); ultimately:..............Void...................

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddharta Gautama, The Buddha

incredibly i found the book translated in italian, so i’m going starting right now to start with the two first exercises for breathing with the testicles. this is just to get xenolith ready for tons of questions! the first one is very general…i read that it is best to exercise every am AND pm. did you exercise with this frequency or less? do you think that exercising only in the evening will slow considerably the results? ok, they were two questions..

cirolli, that’s great! I wouldn’t worry about when you train. I did and do mornings. Whatever is a sustainable pattern for you is what you should start and stick with. Make sure to read through this thread, I think most questions that you may have may have been answered already. If not, I’m happy to try to help.

Be patient. And good luck!

Might want to use that shift key a bit more :) .

originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.125" BPEL x 6.625" EG (ms); ultimately:..............Void...................

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddharta Gautama, The Buddha

Thank you Xenolith. I actually read most of this thread, it’s awesome, but of course I’m going to read it all. I started the two first exercises last evening, of course I didn’t get any real sensation as described in the book, but I know I’ve got to be patient. It makes me feel really good to do something to improve my sexual relationship with myself and most of all the girl I have the luck to be with.

Here comes my first practical question, trying to be clear since my english is pretty rusty: in the exercise nr. 2, the one in which you have to push the air from just below the chest to the testicles “like it was a ball” the book says to close the perineal muscle while doing this. Is this fundamental? I find it very difficult to close my perineal muscle without involving the pc also, but I guess that the pc has to stay relaxed, am I wrong?

I never bothered with that exercise cirolli. It always seemed silly to me. I recommend skipping it. It is possible and it is good to learn to flex your PC and perineal muscles independently.

Sorry for the delay in replying.

originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.125" BPEL x 6.625" EG (ms); ultimately:..............Void...................

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddharta Gautama, The Buddha

First of all.. Sorry Ive been away for my exams and couldnt give you a feedback. Secondly, Thanks a million for your explanations.

Though, being on a tight schedule, Ive been able to practice SKF on a daily basis. The buzzing in my head is gone. Feel a lot more energetic too. Mostly imporatantly, when I masturbate, I can really go on for a long time now. Its a great feeling. Will keep you updated soon.

Walk slowly but never backwards.

I am currently reading “Taoist Secrets of Love.”

There are a few paragraphs on PE starting on page 240. The author suggests some modified rotary stretches and uli3 like exercises. I find the ulis particularly interesting because this book was last edited in 1984. I am wondering if this exercise is written in ancient texts.

Overall, I am liking to book. I think that it is a bit dated in terms of the political musings of the author (1980s) but, overall, I find the philosophy and exercises to be very interesting. Interesting and difficult to get ones head around and practice, respectively.

I bought the book after reading Xenolith’s first post suggesting it. I started the exercises right away, and only now have come back to this amazing thread to finish reading it. I have not ejaculated since getting the book (actually, my last was a few days before getting the book, just out of coincidence); this ling without orgasm is the longest of my post-pubescent life.

Xenolith, if you have a bit of time to comment, advise and critique, I’d appreciate your thoughts on these points and observations:

1. I’m amazed at how closely my experience has been to what is predicted in the book. I started the scrotal breathing exercises as soon as I read the instructions. After a couple of days o fdoing them, I finished that chapter and found Chia describing the potential for some early side effects, such as changes in bowel habits. I was shocked, as I had been having some of those exact symptoms. I also had some headaches during the end and just after my exercises, and found that was a potential, as well. I don’t have high blood pressure, as he says is a risk factor for the headaches, but it was weird to me.

I have also noticed that I have been sleeping less. I’m talking 4-6 hours of sleep a night, with more energy than my prior 8 hours. I also notice that if I miss a day of practice, I sleep more that night.

2. I had tingling sensation in my scrotum which travels to my perineum and coccyx on my first attempt. Weirdly, after a bit of practice, I started to feel the sensation at the back of my head and the top of my head, with a mild spinning sensation (as described) without ever feeling it in my mid-back (the adrenal mini-pump). Is this possible, or is what I am experiencing not the flow of chi to my head?

3. As Xenolith has described it, I have not had a CCO, but today, for the first time, I had a crazy orgasmic sensation. During masturbation, just as I was approaching orgasm, I directed my attention to my scrotum, and imagined the energy moving past my sacrum. I had my pump motion going, my eyes closed and directed to the right, as I approached orgasm I contracted my BC muscles and continued mild pump motion and penis stimulation—when I put my tongue to the roof of my mouth, my head started tingling all over (actually, tingling is only a close approximation of the sensation, it was quite intense. It kind of started at the back of my neck/upper shoulders and engulfed my head). I was groaning uncontrollably and laughing, and as joyful as I have ever felt. This went on for about 30-45 seconds (or so it felt) and I stopped only because it was so new, and I didn’t want to ejaculate unintentionally. I didn’t have the feeling of warm honey, and no taste sensation. I wanted to continue it and felt like I could have done so indefinitely. I got completely energized and happy; even now, hours and a gym workout later, the thought of it has an uplifting emotional impact on me. Was that a lower chakra orgasm, a mild/ aborted CCO or perhaps something else altogether (not that you could know, but based on the description and your experiences)? I can see this being addictive, so I’m going to heed Chia’s advice and not over-do it.

Just a bit about me: I have been meditating and doing yoga for several years, and have significant training in visualization, energy work and “engaging my locks” or BC muscles from that. Perhaps my non-SKF training has enabled some rapid progress in SKF. I actually don’t care where I am along this path. Today’s experience was so wonderful, as has been the more mild previous experiences, that if I stay at this level I would not be disappointed. I can only wonder what beauty lies at the level of experience Xenolith has had.

Lastly, thank you Xenolith, for this most amazing thread (and thank you mgus for suggesting it). I am thankful for all the wonderful education, camaraderie and experiences I have had from my long participation on this board. After today, though, I think this one may be the most life-changing.

To those of you out there contemplating this, or doubting it, please jump in as soon as you’re ready, or reconsider your disinterest. After three weeks, I’m sure I’m on a new path of blissful exploration in my life (and I’m not one to be overly excited over new things).

Deepest thanks in advance, Xenolith.

Rock out with your cock out!


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