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Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

Originally Posted by stanby

If anyone is interested, I`ll post the experience I base my opinions on.

By all means. Please do.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Hi Xenolith

That was quick!

A resume; (!) (sounds like a job interview!)

1 A long standing interest in eastern philosophy , spirituality and practice.

Ie Hatha Yoga; 41yrs

Taoism & Acupuncture 33yrs ( since Nixon`s visit to China in `72 and his press secretary`s appendicectomy fully conscious using Acupuncture anaesthesia)

35 yrs full time professional healthcare (including 18 yrs as a professional Acupuncturist (TCM)).

30 yrs practice of Seminal Kung Fu Qi Kung (1st from “Tao of Love&Sex” Jolang Chan, then all of Master Chia`s books from 1st publication)

Personally trained by Master Chia in Micro-Cosmic Orbit/Inner Smile/6 Healing Sounds;( the basic practices) and Healing Love/Seminal Kung Fu.

Personally trained and certificated by Master Chia; Cosmic Healing Qi Kung 1

And a few other bits and pieces.

LOL

Stanby

stanby-

Yours is a very impressive and clearly relevant to this thread resume. Please explain what “certificated (certified?) by Master Chia” means. I hope you’ll offer your perspective as often as you can.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Xenolith-

Hmmmm!
“England and America are two countries divided by a common language”(ish) George Bernard Shaw(?)
I think certified and certificated are synonymous. (I looked it up; OED)
What does it mean? Again, not sure! Pre-requisite 2 day basic practice course ( which I have done twice; 2 yrs apart)
Certification course; 5 days (40hrs)(small group; <20). What does that mean? Eveything and nothing; more nothing! (I hope so anyway) (Talking about beginers mind)
I`d say, a baby to all this; I`ve had direct experience of this awesome knowledge and still reel at it’s impact.
I continue my daily practice; alone and with others.And on..
Regards
Stanby

stanby-

Thanks for the explanation of certificated…I should have realized that this was an English word. I’m curious what your impressions of the course were…IOW, how valuable did you find it?

Also, as I’ve stated, I’ve not met anyone else who has experienced CCOs. Have you?


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith

Have you?

experienced CCOs, that is. Not have you met anyone who has. Although the answer to that question is of interest to me as well.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Standing by for stanby…


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I personally know 2 women who have had CCO`s; no men (me included)(not that I would call a CCO anyway)

Sorry for the delay (work sleep and time difference; so it goes!)

This is my 3rd attempt to post this; will give up if it still doesn`t send

Thanks for the reply stanby. Did the women mention what the Golden Nectar tasted/smelled like to them?


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith

Did the women mention what the Golden Nectar tasted/smelled like to them?

Sure would like to know.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Well, I tried patience and then a PM…it appears stanby doesn’t want to answer my question.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Excerpted from: Sex, Commitment and Marriage (pgs. 42-44):
My edits are in parentheses.

“Marriage may suit some men and not others. One man may marry and be happy for a lifetime and his brother find it torture. Practically speaking, a marriage, especially with children, consumes an enormous amount of time and energy and should not be entered into lightly or for the wrong reasons. The decision should come freely from within you or else later you will have trouble accepting the responsibilities which arise from your choice. Many men marry because they are emotionally insecure and hope a woman will offer that security. This emotional insecurity can often be traced to insecurity in the male sexual role. So, if you are not yet married, I suggest you master the sexual energy cultivation methods in this book before making that decision.

Even this is no miraculous overnight cure for emotional insecurity. If you spent decades feeling and acting insecure, it will take a while to change. Cultivate and balance your energy constantly (by use of your MO), and you will be surprised at how your emotions will lose their power over you, and be replace by a feeling of inner connectedness. You won’t need to seek your emotional connectedness from a woman, which is a dependency trap many men fall into. When you understand the source of your emotions in the movement of the chi (sexual) energy in your body, you will be in a position to maintain inner balance and help your lover to achieve the same.

Once you are free of sexual and emotional compulsiveness you will find yourself a very changed man in your relations with women. Ideally, you would get to know a woman for several years before having children with her. This allows you both to learn the subtle energy rhythms of the relationship before your attention is focused on child-raising. If, by then, you have practiced dual cultivation (of sexual energy) to a high level, the deep bond (you will have with her) will go far in getting you through the inevitable difficulties that lie ahead.

For many American men, sexuality actually remains on an infantile level. It is often no more than an extension of feeding. It is an attempt to take love in from outside themselves and childishly demand the certainty of continual gratification. This leads necessarily to the jealous dependency that plays havoc with so many relationships. People spend years watching to see if they are loved: in this way they annihilate even the possibility of what they seek. This type of destructive is a constant looking outside oneself for assurances. This insecurity can generate negative emotions we are often unconscious of, such as jealousy and guilt, as well as acts that consciously violate our own integrity, such as adultery. One ceases to live in the present moment and life becomes slavish rehearsals of lust broken by long periods of boredom.

It’s easy to observe that after a time the life of many couples seems weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. One reason for this is because when they embrace intending to make love, the man ejaculates and thus excretes his deep vitality and depletes his yang charge. Nature is abundant and forgiving, but after years of ejaculation the difference shows up as weakened sexual desire. Unless the couple has spontaneously found the will to transform their life energy into a higher love-a process of spiritual attunement that balances the daily loss of energy-the relationship is in danger of becoming a ghost of its former self.

Energy that could become genuinely joyous is spasmodically thrown out of the body by ejaculation. This loss occurs every time you ejaculate. Eventually a man can develop feelings of indifference or hate for his sexual partner because he subconsciously realizes that when he touches her, he loses those higher energies that could make him truly a happy man. This produces a deep crisis, because during the years of love-making and sharing their lives, a powerful emotional bond has developed. A lot of his sexual energy has gone into making that bond and he can’t understand how the bond could exist and yet he feels bored, resentful and fatigued.

This flattening of sexual desire between regular partners is due largely to depletion of polarity or sexual-electrical tension. You can increase the attraction by charging the positive and negative poles of the male-female battery. Some couples achieve this temporarily by taking separate vacations or sleeping in separate beds, or they find other ways to naturally keep the balance of energy through outside friendships and activities. With polarity restored the current of life flows between the lovers ever more swiftly and powerfully. Dual cultivation (of sexual energy) allows a couple to remain together and keep this polarity of their relationship fully charged.

Dual cultivation is designed to promote happiness of couples, to teach the partners to discover inexhaustible pleasures in each other. There is no inherent reason for love to grow old. The practice of conserving and exchanging sexual energy without loss of the seed will help remove a major cause of promiscuity: incomplete satisfaction with one’s lover”

I know that there is much truth in these words.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Exerpted from Chapter Ten: The Seven Spiritual Stages of Cultivating Sexual Energy (pgs. 163-179)

The Seven Spiritual Stages of Taoist Sexual Energy Cultivation

1. Physical Control of Seed Loss

2. Physical and Mental Control of Sexual Orgasm

3. Mind Control of Sexual Desire and Orgasm

4. Exchange Energy Without Having Sexual Intercourse

5. Beyond Sex

6. Transforming Spiritual Energies Beyond the Mind/Body

7. Union of Man and Tao

“I don’t know what stage you will pursue. I only offer some guidelines. Some men may not be ready for many more lifetimes to change stages. After you read this book you may abandon the Seminal Kung Fu practice altogether and go on happily ejaculating like Niagra Falls.

But if you want to get involved in cultivating your sexual energy you will spontaneously evolve and move toward higher spiritual levels. Your goal will be realized most quickly if you apply yourself with single-minded devotion to your spiritual evolution. Eventually it will become effortless as you stop struggling against your nature, which is the same in essence as the Tao. Your awareness of the universal subtle energies will grow naturally and you will move up in stages by yourself, not according to any religion or philosophy, but from an inner guidance.

The great Chinese physician Sun S’su-mo, (581-682 A.D.) famous for inventing the small pox inoculation and who lived to be 101 years, astutely noted the problem of progress in his Recipe for Making Priceless Gold:

“In youth, man does not understand the Tao.
At middle age he hears about the Tao but does not practice what he hears.
When he is old he sees the truth of the Tao, but is too weak to act on it.”


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I`m 20 years old and I choose this Taoist path.I already experienced orgasm without ejaculation and it`s far superior. Xenolith, how long did it take for you to mentaly control your ejaculation? I mean from the moment you wanted to , until you really achieved it. one year?

Nick-

It took me almost 10 years to learn to pump sexually generated chi beyond my sacral pump to my lower back. From that point it took me another 2 or 3 months to successfully pump chi past my sacral pump, up my spine and beyond my cranial pump to my crown. Only a few days after that I experienced my first CCO. As far as I can tell, like my experience, most people find pulling chi from the genitals and pumping it past the sacral pump to be the most difficult aspect of SKF. It appears that the ability to accept thousands of failures (as was the case for me) before realizing the first small success is a requirement of successful pursuit of SKF.

I should point out to you that whatever non-ejaculatory orgasms you’ve experienced are most certainly not CCOs as one simply cannot achieve them without having learned to do several very difficult (sorry) other things first. I think it’s necessarily true that what you’ve experienced were most likely aborted ejaculatory orgasms or, less likely, “prostate” orgasms. The latter require direct stimulation of the prostate through either something inserted into the rectum (Aneros device is probably best) or, theoretically, by the flexing of what would have to be an incredibly toned and strong BC muscle (certainly stronger than mine and mine is very strong). I strongly suspect that what you’ve experienced were the former. In any case, the main benefits of successful SKF practice are the ability to achieve CCOs, which, along with release of Golden Nectar within the cranium, which is a very pleasurable experience, comes…warning: it may seem like I’m kookoo…the sensation of being bodiless (even though one will still be stimulating one’s penis, obviously a part of one’s body, in order to continue generating chi to continue to drive the CCO), a pure energy entity in a pure energy field. I experience a profoundly real sense of my energy’s “place” in the universe of energy. This is where those interested in enlightenment pursue it. For me it’s a tremendously lonely feeling, tremendously beautiful, but tremendously lonely also. I should point out that in dual cultivation CCOs, done with a woman practitioner of Ovarian Kung Fu, tremendously beautiful loneliness is replaced with tremendously beautiful joy, rapture is probably the most accurate word. mrs. x and I have managed these on very very rare occasions. As I don’t want to have the effect of turning guys away from pursuit of SKF practice by writing things that could (admittedly) quite easily be perceived as having been written by someone who is kookoo, I’ll leave my description of CCOs at that.

Regarding mental control of ejaculation, I’m somewhere between stages 2 and 3 listed in my last post. Mental control really amounts to having the timing of one’s pumping efforts so precisely timed that it takes only the thought of pumping one’s pumps to have all of one’s MO working in perfect concert to move one’s chi quite effortlessly. I don’t have this kind of precise timing all the time, most of the time I don’t. I need to practice SKF for several days during which I re-familiarize my MO with passing chi before I can move it “with a flicker of the mind”.

I wish you the best with your pursuit. I recommend that you get the book that I recommended in my first post in this thread and spend several months reading it carefully many times, identifying the portions of the book that address how to start, and then just start. I was 19.5 years old when I started my SKF journey. As far as I can tell, it’s a long journey, makes my PE journey seem trivially easy and like the blink of an eye by comparison. I know it’s a journey worth taking. Good luck to you. I’m happy to help if I can, but mostly I won’t be able to. Mostly it’s journey of self discovery.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 12-12-2005 at .
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