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Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

Originally Posted by mgus
Xeno,

I would look forward to a thread titled “Tantric practises 101 - History, Basic Theory and Basic Practices”.


Originally Posted by xenolith
Hi mgus-

I’m sorry, that is not something I’m willing to do. In addition to my lack of interest in the derision that commonly follows, is my belief that tantric practice is something that one needs come to with willful purpose. Starting a thread is not consistent with that belief.

Upon further consideration, and in light of three new circumstances described below, I now am willing to oblige mgus, as best I can, with an introductory post regarding seminal kung fu (SKF), the foundation (IMO) of male tantric sex practice, including a discussion of what mastery of SKF allows.

First, a description of the three circumstances that have served to modify my willingness to present this information. Feel free to skip ahead to the SKF discussion.

First, as described in my original reply to mgus:

Originally Posted by xenolith
I’ve told two dear male friends about tantric sex…they didn’t get it, I don’t talk about it with them anymore. Even with the significantly better odds, I expect the same to happen here.

A consequence of discussing SKF with my friends has uniformly been a diminution in the quality of the friendship, or loss of the friendship entirely. As a result, I’ve become strongly conditioned to not want to discuss this stuff with friends (I’m not a masochist). Fortunately for you all, as far as I can tell, it now appears that I’ve managed to alienate all of my friends here at Thunder’s Place, therefore, I no longer am concerned with losing friends here, that appears to have taken care of itself already.

Second, based on my experience and what I’ve read on this Forum, there is significant confusion regarding orgasms. In order to facilitate clearer communication than would otherwise be possible, please use MY definition of orgasm when considering the content of this post:

Orgasm: an experience of release.

I don’t think there’s much of a basis for argument over my definition, but, of course, I could be wrong. Please let me know of any ideas for ways to better define orgasm.

In any case, onward…Based on my experience, successful edging (IOW, masturbation without ejaculation) will result in the experience of an aborted “conventional” orgasm, where “conventional” means the type of orgasm associated with ejaculation. Because there is no release, there is no orgasm with edging. I’m not saying that the sensation of the aborted orgasm isn’t pleasurable, IMO it is, but, by (my) definition, it isn’t an orgasm. Indeed, in as much as it is an experience of stopping release, it is an anti-orgasm.

What SKF allows for are crown chakra orgasms (CCO). CCO are non-ejaculatory orgasms and are NOT the non-ejaculatory, non-erection requiring orgasms that zaneblue refers to as “prostate orgasms”, which are orgasms, being experiences of release…most readily experienced (for me) via use of an Aneros prostate massager. CCO are different from prostate orgasms in two principle ways, the first being that an erection is required (penis stimulation drives CCOs), and the second is that the sensation of release (i.e. orgasm) is centered at the top of the head (instead of the loins), propagating down one’s body from there in a very distinctive way…it feels like warm honey has been poured over the inside of your head and is running down the inside of your skull. A taste and smell is associated with the CCOs and has been described in this way:

“When your head is filled with sperm energy the excess ching may spontaneously combust with the chi in your higher centers and spill over into the Microcosmic Orbit and flow down through your palate and down the tongue. This will taste different to different people. It’s generally called the Golden Nectar but it can taste like champagne, honey, coconut juice, or fragrance of all kinds of things, or it can simply feel like a warm tingling sensation on your tongue.”

from: Taosist Secrets of Love-Cultivating Male Sexual Energy

Golden Nectar is what is released during CCOs. It feels like a warm honey shower on the inside of the skull and usually tastes/smells like magnolia blossoms to me. More below on how SKF facilitates CCOs. But back to the last of those 3 circumstances…

Third, it has been suggested to me (in no uncertain terms) by someone whom I respect that I am withholding information from my fellow members here at Thunder’s Place. He was right. Writing this post represents part of my effort to be more forthcoming with information.

OK, now about SKF and achieving CCOs.

To my knowledge, the only English text that describes the HOW of SKF is Taoist Secrets of Love-Cultivating Male Sexual Energy by Mantak Chia and Michael Winn. IMO, this book is the user MANUAL for SKF practice and as such, is required reading for anyone seeking to master SKF.

SKF is the act of moving “chi” or sexual energy away from one’s genitals in order to remove the energy required to induce ejaculation. “Chi”, being energy, is not destroyed in this process, rather, it is conserved and simply (or not so simply) moved to a different location in the body. Mobilization is initiated by means of, for purposes of clearest understanding, edging. The MANUAL describes terms like “power lock”, “big draw”, etc. Don’t let these terms throw you, it all boils down to a strong BC muscle (pump #2…pump #1 is the heart) and good timing, IOW, edging. SKF takes off is where edging stops. The chi generated by stimulation and “caught” by one’s successful use of good timing and a strong BC muscle (pump #2), IOW, edging, is “handed off” to the “sacral pump” (pump #3), which in turn “hands off” the chi to the “cranial pump” (pump #4). The cranial pump moves chi to the crown (top of one’s head) where, upon sufficient delivery of chi, CCOs spontaneously occur.

I think a hydraulic system is particularly well suited as an analogy for the systematic (referred to as the Microcosmic Orbit (MO) in the MANUAL) that is manipulated in SKF practice. Each pump moves chi along the MO much as pumps move water along in a hydraulic system. When enough chi has been delivered to the crown, it “overflows”, IOW CCO occurs. Once the system is “primed” and because chi transmissivity exists within the MO, each new stroke (and related “in concert” pumping) brings another release of Golden Nectar (orgasm). The appropriate timing of muscle flexing to control the pumps becomes instinctual and automatic…achieved with what amounts to mind control. With practice, it is possible to experience wave after wave of Golden Nectar showers, for tens of minutes, non-stop. It should be noted that an adequate supply of chi is required to prime the system sufficiently to achieve a “full head of sperm energy”. For this reason, I generally refrain from ejaculating more than I need to.

I’ll spare you all from a discussion of the meta-physical aspects of CCOs. But they are profound.

As you might well expect, there is much more to all of this, but this post is long enough already and I think I’ve laid out the basic info well.

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that it took me a little over 10 years to master SKF…solo. Mrs. x and I are still working (year 18) on mastering the sexual energy exchange implicit in dual CCOs.

Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?

xeno


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Last edited by xenolith : 10-21-2005 at .

Very interested in this thread, please continue.

Also, are you familiar with any writings of Glenn Morris?


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That is just about as complicated as learning how to play golf. To work that long to achieve your result seems beyond the interest level of most mortal people.

The fancy terms have hidden from me what you are trying to achieve. I assume heightened pleasure levels?

I don’t know who Glenn Morris is.


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Originally Posted by gprent
That is just about as complicated as learning how to play golf. To work that long to achieve your result seems beyond the interest level of most mortal people.

The fancy terms have hidden from me what you are trying to achieve. I assume heightened pleasure levels?


It is hard to learn. Until one masters it, then it’s (almost) as easy as breathing. I’ve found PE much easier for instance. But I’m a scientist and an engineer, so the mechanics of PE I could grasp, possibly allowing me to BELIEVE that I could grow my penis. I don’t understand the mechanisms involved in SKF or CCOs. I expect that my progress with SKF was undermined by this lack of understanding. But that must be a universal condition.

When I set out to learn this, my goal was to break my addiction to ejaculation.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Hopefully those shameless spam posts will be deleted. I find this thread very interesting, xenolith, thank you. I enjoy fourth chakras so much I don’t often circulate it all the way up, but you are giving me incentive.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

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Originally Posted by zaneblue

Hopefully those shameless spam posts will be deleted.

I hope so too.

Originally Posted by zaneblue

I find this thread very interesting, xenolith, thank you.

You’re welcome zane. Your generosity in sharing what you’ve learned positively influenced my decision to post about this. Thank you.


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Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Xen,
You haven’t alienated me, if that helps even though I’m a nobody.

Your info I find interesting, I’ve been reading “The Multi-Orgasmic Male” book and have dabbled in this subject with some success. I will hunt up the book you mention in time.

Here was my sticking point: Release. I imagine this is the most difficult to master. It seemed like a gift, but I had excruciating headaches. The energy went to the top and got stuck, I have a feeling I really need to learn to relax better. Does this make sense?

Originally Posted by Mr. Nine
Xen,
You haven’t alienated me, if that helps even though I’m a nobody.


Thanks Alice, it does help. And you’re a big somebody in my book :D

Originally Posted by Mr. Nine
Your info I find interesting, I’ve been reading “The Multi-Orgasmic Male” book and have dabbled in this subject with some success. I will hunt up the book you mention in time.


I can’t be sure, having never read that book, but from what I’ve gathered, it does a dis-service to the practice of SKF, by presenting the WHY and WHAT of SKF, but not the HOW. As far as I know the only english version of the HOW of SKF is the book I mentioned.

Originally Posted by Mr. Nine
Here was my sticking point: Release. I imagine this is the most difficult to master. It seemed like a gift, but I had excruciating headaches. The energy went to the top and got stuck, I have a feeling I really need to learn to relax better. Does this make sense?


Yes. I’ve had several incidences of coital cephalagia while practicing SKF, both solo and during coitus. It is a genuine hazard of SKF practice and is something to try to avoid at all costs…”thunderclap headaches” are the absolute definition of bad timing. Chia’s lack of attention to describing how to manage chi in the vicinity of the head is, IMO, the one, but quite serious, flaw to the book I recommend. One can become subject to “kundalini syndrome” rather quickly by not utilizing the complete MO to mobilize chi away from the crown chakra into the cauldron located behind one’s navel. I’ve been in a bit of a kundalini syndrome situation as of late. Some may have noticed.

Unfortunately, based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of the mechanisms involved in SKF and coital cephalagia, a growing penile volume (as one would have due to PE practice) would be a positive contributing factor to occurrence of coital cephalagia, in that more pumping is required from the heart (pump #1) to fill the larger penile volume while also needing to support pump #2, the BC muscle, for chi mobilization. Therefore, one who is actively growing their penis and is attempting SKF practice will need to be very careful about monitoring their heart rate/blood pressure until a familiarity with one’s cardio-vascular capabilities is established. I don’t think PE practitioners will have difficulty understanding this concept, but it does take a lot more blood pressure to inflate a bigger dick. To then ADD to that demand adequate blood pressure to supply sufficient force to one’s BC muscle to pump sexual chi to one’s sacral pump and on up the MO to the crown chakra without cutting off blood flow to one’s brain makes for a tricky proposition. Straight up. Proper hydration and breath control are essential for coital cephalagia avoidance during SKF practice in this SKF and PE practitioner’s experience.

With regard to learning how to relax better, one thing to keep in mind is that the tongue completes the circuit from the crown chakra to the rest of the MO that runs down the front of one’s body. By modulating this switch, one may release and build up chi in the crown chakra to suit one’s orgasmic intentions. Building up chi in the crown chakra is prerequisite to CCO…once the bucket tips, the Golden Nectar flows. Try to pull your chi through your crown chakra and through your tongue Alice, it’ll probably back up and spill over into a CCO.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I think what you propose is great - for those who are able to incorporate the spiritual/ethereal values into the program. For others, though, much of what you talk about will remain mysterious, even impenetrable, since chi and chakra and kundalini syndrome are to many quite impenetrable concepts.

I made a project of learning these techniques over a number of months one year, without benefit of learning anything about chi and chakra; rather learning how my own body feels at each stage of sexual excitement and how to alter the results of one potential experience in order to get to another. It may be that your method is better - I do not see myself for example, getting into the throws of orgasmic bliss for hours at a time whenever I try this. But I can go a long time and have fun at it and I can orgasm and not ejaculate and do that several times with the result that sex is far more interesting than it used to be. Orgasms are certainly more often 10s now than they were before I set off to learn this by the hunt and peck method.

So I am saying what you suggest is fine for those who want to get their heads totally into the process. But I am suggesting also that most men can figure this out without knowing what chi is simply by developing a more intimate knowledge of their own plumbing and how they might manipulate that to more exciting results.

And, I don’t see how you are going to alienate anybody in discussing your method, anybody who attempts to understand where you are going, anyway.


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avocet8

Thanks for starting a good thread, and making the correlation between PE and SKF. I got my hands on Taoist secrets of Love by Mantak Chia a few years ago and made a copy of it for myself. I haven’t picked it up in a while, but have been meaning to get back into it. This stuff is very hard to conceive and to practice for a person who is just learning anything about Chi or Chakras or yoga, but the book does a pretty good job of describing.

I also remember the chapter that described tongue kung fu! What a trip. I never did make a punching bag for my tongue, but I can imagine the look on my wife’s face if she ever saw me slapping around a large fruit on a string or a jar with weights in it with my tongue!


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Originally Posted by sparkyx
Thanks for the post.

Did I miss something or did you explain HOW to do it?

Do you think it you 10 years because of lack of appropriate information, or do you think that is about what it takes for most people?


You’re very welcome for the post sparky.

No, you didn’t miss anything, I didn’t explain the HOW, other than with my cursory hydraulics analogy, which is a very good model for how SKF and generation of CCOs works. In future posts I’ll try to present more of the HOW with both the real terms and in terms of hydraulics, but understand that anything that I write will lose something in the translation compared to using the real words that describe the process, as I indicated here:

Originally Posted by xenolith
To my knowledge, the only English text that describes the HOW of SKF is Toaist Secrets of Love-Cultivating Male Sexual Energy by Mantak Chia and Michael Winn. IMO, this book is the user MANUAL for SKF practice and as such, is required reading for anyone seeking to master SKF.


Until one has familiarized oneself with the vocabulary of the process, I am significantly disadvantaged in terms of being able to communicate to others the HOW of the process. But I will, nonetheless, try to do so in a future post. The inquisitive reader should look to the book I recommended for the authentic description of the HOW of SKF, specifically, Chapter 8: The Secrets of Semen Retention.

Regarding it taking me 10 years to learn, I don’t think I was operating with a lack of information. As I’ve stated, the book that I recommended is the only english version of the HOW of SKF that I’m aware of. And I had that. If there are other english references of value in this matter, I’m not aware of them. I don’t know anyone else who has experienced CCOs so I have no idea how long it takes other to learn.

A future post will attempt to describe the HOW of going from edging, the first part of SKF, to the next part of SKF, which is: transferring the “I’m gonna cum feeling” from one’s BC muscle to one’s to sacral pump. Those interested in best understanding that future post will read (at least Chapter 8 of) the book first.


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Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 10-26-2005 at .

Originally Posted by new_member
Thanks for starting a good thread, and making the correlation between PE and SKF. I got my hands on Taoist secrets of Love by Mantak Chia a few years ago and made a copy of it for myself. I haven’t picked it up in a while, but have been meaning to get back into it. This stuff is very hard to conceive and to practice for a person who is just learning anything about Chi or Chakras or yoga, but the book does a pretty good job of describing.

I also remember the chapter that described tongue kung fu! What a trip. I never did make a punching bag for my tongue, but I can imagine the look on my wife’s face if she ever saw me slapping around a large fruit on a string or a jar with weights in it with my tongue!


Glad you like the thread nm.
I never bothered with tongue kung fu, the seminal was enough of a challenge for me :)


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Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

avocet-

I’m not leaving you out. Thank you for your comments. I’ll post a thoughtful reply later.


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Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

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