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Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

Nick-

Read my last post to zane. To summarize: I don’t think one can have higher center orgasms by accident. And to repeat myself, without the overwhelming sensation of cascading warm honey inside the skull and the taste/smell of Golden Nectar, it’s my opinion that one is not experiencing a CCO.

I could be wrong about this, I’m not the ultimate authority on this or anything else. But I know what I’ve experienced and it’s consistent with traditional Taoist SKF, and I’m sharing it here.

If I had to guess, I’d guess that you did accidentally activate your MO, maybe by virtue of shear abundance of sexual chi, but accidentally controlling your sexual chi to the degree that you could accidentally direct it to your crown (or third-eye) center is beyond belief for me. You may have generated so much chi that it leaked out of your MO which gives a sensation of mercurial warmth where it leaks (maybe these leakages are what zane is referring to as orgasms?). To have accumulated so much uncontrolled sexual chi that some made it to your crown center (or third-eye center) is equivalent to filling a sieve with water…damn hard to do, and also beyond belief for me. But, as I’ve stated before, anything’s possible. Just seems exceedingly improbable. All I can say is you must have a lotta chi brother!

Get the book. Work on what it teaches. Sounds like you’ve got real potential for this.


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Maybe it’s instinctual for women? I don’t know, but I do know I am having heart chakra orgasms. I have only had the ability for a couple years and I didn’t train for it on purpose ahead of time, so I am hardly an authority on it.


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zane, you’re confusing me. You’ve stated elsewhere that most women find Taoist Ovarian Kung Fu practice anything but instinctual. “Intimidatingly difficult” I think you said. How do you resolve that characterization with the idea that achieving higher center orgasms is instinctual for women (or men for that matter)? Is there some way other than OKF to achieve them? How are you achieving heart chakra orgasms? Are you doing it by means of OKF or some other way? According to OKF practice, a woman needs to move sexual chi all the way up the Governor Channel and part way down the Functional Channel to reach the heart center. How are you getting your chi there? For the same reasons that I find it difficult to understand how Nick could have achieved a third-eye center orgasm, I find it difficult to understand how you could achieve heart center orgasms.

Little help here please.


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Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Maybe I’m an idiot savant? I certainly don’t follow the whole Chia OKF thing and while I may not be sure about the crown chakra orgasms, I am positive I am having heart chakra ones. When I was talking about Chia’s approach being intimidatingly difficult, I was talking about his physical vaginal weightlifting exercises. He’s like the Mr. Universe of PC muscles. I can’t do the stuff he describes, and I’m pretty advanced, pussy-tone-wise.

I think there are easier ways for men to have crown chakra orgasms, as I’ve said the Aneros seems to speed things up for men and also the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm technique, and for women I am certain there are easier techniques. Margo Anand writes a lot about ways to encourage female tantric ability, and Annie Sprinkle too, here:

http://www.tantra.com/energy.html

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with a person’s dopamine level and PC muscle tone. My two cents.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

Buy my book! The Orgasmic Diet by Marrena Lindberg

zane, sorry about my misunderstanding with “intimidatingly difficult”, I thought you were referring to the OKF technique in general. As far as the weight lifting egg business, it’s a matter of perspective and more precisely, training. I used to think hanging weights from my penis was intimidatingly difficult, now I swing 40lbs. around from it with aplomb. With one testicle tied behind my back so to speak :) . Indeed I used to think that I couldn’t control the mercurial thing that is sexual chi, but now I can. Both changes in my perspective have come from doing lots of training and practice.

In my opinion you’re way off on the Aneros, having used it myself. On your recommendation, I might add, and I thank you, it’s neat, not worth what I paid for it, but neat nonetheless. It’s great for generating prostate orgasms. It’s great for generating sexual chi, but without the LEARNED skill of SKF, one is in the situation that I think Nick was in with his unexplained fantastic orgasm, trying to fill a sieve with water…damn hard to do. Learning SKF (or for women OKF) gives one a straw, and the skill to use it, to draw chi out of the Sperm (or Ovarian) Palace to higher centers of the body.

Regarding the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm technique, I’ve looked into it and I don’t see how it can help one to LEARN how to move sexual chi to higher centers, IOW learn SKF, so I can’t see how it could help one achieve CCOs. And as I’ve pointed out before, SKF (and OKF) is not a “multiple orgasm technique”, it’s a technique for achieving a DIFFERENT kind of orgasm. Look, I know there’s more than one way to skin a cat, but there’s only one way to eat an elephant, and that’s one bite at a time, there aren’t any short cuts. Same with CCOs. And it would follow that the same is true for other higher center orgasms, although I’m not convinced that there are other higher center orgasms. In any case, frankly, the idea that a gizmo and/or sounds can substitute for training and work seems all too much like PE pills and hypnosis. IOW, bullshit.

It’s becoming more and more clear to me that people are considering leakage of sexual chi in and around the perineum (Hui-Yin) as “multiple orgasms”. These are really prostate orgasms. Which are great, but are NOT CCOs. By a long shot. Although less clear, it also appears that chi leakage elsewhere, further up one’s MO is being considered a higher center orgasm. My two cents.

And I still want to know:

Originally Posted by xenolith
How are you achieving heart chakra orgasms?


Let me ask again; what exactly are you doing to move energy, chi, whatever you want to call it, to your heart center to have these heart chakra orgasms, if you’re not using OKF? IOW, how are you making your sexual chi run uphill?

Originally Posted by zaneblue
Personally I think a lot of it has to do with a person’s dopamine level and PC muscle tone. My two cents.


What is “it”? Ability to move sexual chi? Something else?

I want you to know that I appreciate your participation in this thread. Some important distinctions are being made. And lest I be misunderstood, I want you to know that my inquisitiveness with you here in no way bears on my respect for and admiration of you. I know I’m asking you hard questions. Sorry about that. But I expect you’ll have more difficult questions than these coming your way from people who won’t like you as much as I do. But I really want answers to these questions. And I don’t want guys being misled about what’s involved with SKF and achieving CCOs. What is involved is training of the BC (here we agree), sacral pump, adrenal gland mini pump, and cranial pump; and lots of practice. In that way, it’s a lot like PE, there are no shortcuts.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Great thread

Dc

But xenolith, I’m not going to write about tantra in my book, except maybe a general warning that tantric things might happen to women. So I don’t see how I’ll be attacked onthat. I’ll yield the field on that one, especially if it makes people think I’m less scientifically credible. I’m sure I will be plenty attacked on my more basic premises, I already am being attacked.

Anyhow, what I’m saying is that I think it’s different for girls. I think women instinctively know how to move the chi energy if they have enough generated. I surmise this is because our main chakra for chi release is higher than men’s. I had no choice with my first heart chakra orgasms—I had to blow. And same thing when I tried to stop having them—the only way I could keep from having them was by having a tremendous number of ejaculatory orgasms, like six or seven a night, and still it was work. I had to watch myself. It just comes natural, I think, if a woman’s dopamine is high enough and she has a couple dozen vaginal orgasms a day.

As for men, I think the usefulness of the Key Sound and the Aneros are in generating a big load of chi energy. The more pressure you have in the hose, the higher the water will go. You are right, you do need to know what to do with it, but I’m just saying that the men on those boards have a much higher incidence of crown chakra orgasms than the general population.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

Buy my book! The Orgasmic Diet by Marrena Lindberg

zane, you’re not answering my questions, but I’ll let it drop, you’re having a well deserved positive time lately and I don’t want to interfere with that. Gotta say though, with regard to men and CCOs, I think you’re quite confused.


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Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I am certainly no expert on men and CCO’s, and not a tantric expert either. Just someone who enjoys tantric sex. I’m just reporting what I have heard men talking about at other boards. When they talk about having orgasms at the top of their heads, and having it be sexual and mystical and mind-blowing and so forth, I am assuming they are tantric. Perhaps wrongly. The person you need to talk to is Pan at the Aneros board. He’s an old hand at helping men become tantric online.

Originally Posted by xenolith
Let me ask again; what exactly are you doing to move energy, chi, whatever you want to call it, to your heart center to have these heart chakra orgasms, if you’re not using OKF? IOW, how are you making your sexual chi run uphill?

What is “it”? Ability to move sexual chi? Something else?

A woman merely has to focus on someone she loves to bring that energy up to the heart chakra. I think it must have something to do with the way our bodies are wired for breastfeeding, thinking of your baby and how much you love your baby is enough to trigger milk letdown. Of course it is in the center of the chest rather than the breasts and is the most deeply sexual thing I can imagine, so it is very different. Getting it higher than that is more difficult, at least for me.


I think it's the woman's job to tighten up to fit her man--it's lots easier for us.

Buy my book! The Orgasmic Diet by Marrena Lindberg


Last edited by zaneblue : 12-15-2005 at .

Thanks zane, but I don’t need to talk to anyone at the Aneros board. The truth of the matter is that I think the Aneros device is counterproductive for purposes of achieving CCOs. Chi needs to be elevated slowly to keep it under control. This is the aspect of SKF that took me 10 years to master. The Aneros device is too much of a good thing for purposes of achieving CCOs, too much chi is developed too fast, but it’s great for “multiple orgasms”, i.e. prostate, i.e. leaking chi orgasms. The fellas you talk to at the Aneros board that are telling you they’re achieving CCOs with the Aneros are misleading you in my opinion. Probably out of their own misunderstanding of what one really is. There’s a lot of that. I never use it when practicing SKF for the purpose of achieving a CCO. In fact I don’t use it all anymore. I mentioned in a positive light only for the benefit of those who may want to pursue prostate orgasms, for which it’s good. But for achieving CCOs, it renders me a SKF neophyte. My chi spills too easily. Which makes for great prostate orgasms, but it just isn’t conducive to achieving CCOs. I’ve read the boards at the Aneros site, I haven’t read a single post there that was consistent with a CCO. To be blunt, I think the guys claiming Aneros assisted CCOs are bullshitters.

Thank you for answering my question regarding heart chakra orgasms. I believe you.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Not to rain on your parade, but:

“Regarding the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm technique, I’ve looked into it and I don’t see how it can help one to LEARN how to move sexual chi to higher centers, IOW learn SKF, so I can’t see how it could help one achieve CCOs. And as I’ve pointed out before, SKF (and OKF) is not a “multiple orgasm technique”, it’s a technique for achieving a DIFFERENT kind of orgasm. Look, I know there’s more than one way to skin a cat, but there’s only one way to eat an elephant, and that’s one bite at a time, there aren’t any short cuts. Same with CCOs. And it would follow that the same is true for other higher center orgasms, although I’m not convinced that there are other higher center orgasms. In any case, frankly, the idea that a gizmo and/or sounds can substitute for training and work seems all too much like PE pills and hypnosis. IOW, bullshit.”

and, “I’m just reporting what I have heard men talking about at other boards. When they talk about having orgasms at the top of their heads, and having it be sexual and mystical and mind-blowing and so forth, I am assuming they are tantric. Perhaps wrongly.” [Maybe it’s one that “blew my mind.”]

…may well be alienating the audience you are trying to attract. If you can’t explain the process in physiological terms, which is what these experiences are basically, without reverting to Eastern philosophical concepts in discussion, which most readers here do not get, franky, you lose folks.

“My chi spills too easily. Which makes for great prostate orgasms, but it just isn’t conducive to achieving CCOs.”

Well, a lot of guys here will say that their ‘chi’ spills easily, too, thinking you are talking about premature ejaculation. And I would wager that not 2 percent of those readers of this entire thread understand what a CCO is, if they got this far.


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avocet8

I started reading the thread and it just got way over my head and I lost interest:confused: . But it seems like a few people are enjoying it and understanding it.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

avocet-

I don’t appreciate your “rain on your parade” language and your suggestion that I’m trying to “attract an audience”. This thread is not a parade and I’m not trying to attract an audience. In addition, “losing folks” is of no concern to me. Indeed, I don’t want to be bothered by anyone who hasn’t read the book I’ve recommended and spent some time experimenting with the practices described therein. It’s out of courtesy and good will that I respond to those who clearly haven’t done these things. Allow me to remind you of why I started this thread: as stated in my first post of this thread;

Originally Posted by xenolith
…tantric practice is something that one needs come to with willful purpose. Starting a thread is not consistent with that belief.


Nonetheless, after much consideration (you may refer to that first post for a description of those considerations), I did start this thread. To summarize it for you, it was for the potential benefit of those who may come to SKF practice with willful purpose. You’re right in stating that few will understand what a CCO is. That is not my concern. I can only convey information, I can’t necessarily succeed in having it understood. Understand that I respond to posters in this thread that have chosen to not take my advice and read the book out of kindness, patience and good will.

I’ve repeatedly stated that I can’t substitute for the book I’ve recommended. The real understanding of what CCOs, and this thread, are about is contained in the book. I’m here to help guys with their understanding of that book, but as I’ve stated:

Originally Posted by xenolith
I’m happy to help if I can, but mostly I won’t be able to. Mostly it’s journey of self discovery.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 12-15-2005 at .

You could fix that by reading the book Dino.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
You could fix that by reading the book Dino.

No thanks bro it all seems too new age and mystical for me, to each his own though and I’m glad it’s working out for you.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

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