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Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

Seems silly to me to leave them, but I guess what I think doesn’t matter.

Waaay too lazy to transcribe it into my own words.

xeno


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Originally Posted by xenolith
Zoiks, how did I miss that? Thanks for your eagle eyes marinera; would you please delete the posts which refer to it, they have no purpose now.

Thanks,

xeno


It’s an indicator of how much attention all the mods here try to put into what we do, (even when something isn’t of particular interest to us). marinera’s attention to detail is exemplary. Thanks for acknowledging that xenolith; it doesn’t happen often but we do appreciate it when people notice.


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Always happy to acknowledge truth firegoat; when it, as here, has the effect of undermining my ego, I’m especially so.

Thanks again marinera.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

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Originally Posted by xenolith
Upon further consideration, and in light of three new circumstances described below, I now am willing to oblige mgus, as best I can, with an introductory post regarding seminal kung fu (SKF), the foundation (IMO) of male tantric sex practice, including a discussion of what mastery of SKF allows.

First, a description of the three circumstances that have served to modify my willingness to present this information. Feel free to skip ahead to the SKF discussion.

First, as described in my original reply to mgus:

A consequence of discussing SKF with my friends has uniformly been a diminution in the quality of the friendship, or loss of the friendship entirely. As a result, I’ve become strongly conditioned to not want to discuss this stuff with friends (I’m not a masochist). Fortunately for you all, as far as I can tell, it now appears that I’ve managed to alienate all of my friends here at Thunder’s Place, therefore, I no longer am concerned with losing friends here, that appears to have taken care of itself already.

Second, based on my experience and what I’ve read on this Forum, there is significant confusion regarding orgasms. In order to facilitate clearer communication than would otherwise be possible, please use MY definition of orgasm when considering the content of this post:

Orgasm: an experience of release.

I don’t think there’s much of a basis for argument over my definition, but, of course, I could be wrong. Please let me know of any ideas for ways to better define orgasm.

In any case, onward…Based on my experience, successful edging (IOW, masturbation without ejaculation) will result in the experience of an aborted “conventional” orgasm, where “conventional” means the type of orgasm associated with ejaculation. Because there is no release, there is no orgasm with edging. I’m not saying that the sensation of the aborted orgasm isn’t pleasurable, IMO it is, but, by (my) definition, it isn’t an orgasm. Indeed, in as much as it is an experience of stopping release, it is an anti-orgasm.

What SKF allows for are crown chakra orgasms (CCO). CCO are non-ejaculatory orgasms and are NOT the non-ejaculatory, non-erection requiring orgasms that zaneblue refers to as “prostate orgasms”, which are orgasms, being experiences of release…most readily experienced (for me) via use of an Aneros prostate massager. CCO are different from prostate orgasms in two principle ways, the first being that an erection is required (penis stimulation drives CCOs), and the second is that the sensation of release (i.e. orgasm) is centered at the top of the head (instead of the loins), propagating down one’s body from there in a very distinctive way…it feels like warm honey has been poured over the inside of your head and is running down the inside of your skull. A taste and smell is associated with the CCOs and has been described in this way:

“When your head is filled with sperm energy the excess ching may spontaneously combust with the chi in your higher centers and spill over into the Microcosmic Orbit and flow down through your palate and down the tongue. This will taste different to different people. It’s generally called the Golden Nectar but it can taste like champagne, honey, coconut juice, or fragrance of all kinds of things, or it can simply feel like a warm tingling sensation on your tongue.”

from: Taosist Secrets of Love-Cultivating Male Sexual Energy

Golden Nectar is what is released during CCOs. It feels like a warm honey shower on the inside of the skull and usually tastes/smells like magnolia blossoms to me. More below on how SKF facilitates CCOs. But back to the last of those 3 circumstances…

Third, it has been suggested to me (in no uncertain terms) by someone whom I respect that I am withholding information from my fellow members here at Thunder’s Place. He was right. Writing this post represents part of my effort to be more forthcoming with information.

OK, now about SKF and achieving CCOs.

To my knowledge, the only English text that describes the HOW of SKF is Taoist Secrets of Love-Cultivating Male Sexual Energy by Mantak Chia and Michael Winn. IMO, this book is the user MANUAL for SKF practice and as such, is required reading for anyone seeking to master SKF.

SKF is the act of moving “chi” or sexual energy away from one’s genitals in order to remove the energy required to induce ejaculation. “Chi”, being energy, is not destroyed in this process, rather, it is conserved and simply (or not so simply) moved to a different location in the body. Mobilization is initiated by means of, for purposes of clearest understanding, edging. The MANUAL describes terms like “power lock”, “big draw”, etc. Don’t let these terms throw you, it all boils down to a strong BC muscle (pump #2…pump #1 is the heart) and good timing, IOW, edging. SKF takes off is where edging stops. The chi generated by stimulation and “caught” by one’s successful use of good timing and a strong BC muscle (pump #2), IOW, edging, is “handed off” to the “sacral pump” (pump #3), which in turn “hands off” the chi to the “cranial pump” (pump #4). The cranial pump moves chi to the crown (top of one’s head) where, upon sufficient delivery of chi, CCOs spontaneously occur.

I think a hydraulic system is particularly well suited as an analogy for the systematic (referred to as the Microcosmic Orbit (MO) in the MANUAL) that is manipulated in SKF practice. Each pump moves chi along the MO much as pumps move water along in a hydraulic system. When enough chi has been delivered to the crown, it “overflows”, IOW CCO occurs. Once the system is “primed” and because chi transmissivity exists within the MO, each new stroke (and related “in concert” pumping) brings another release of Golden Nectar (orgasm). The appropriate timing of muscle flexing to control the pumps becomes instinctual and automatic…achieved with what amounts to mind control. With practice, it is possible to experience wave after wave of Golden Nectar showers, for tens of minutes, non-stop. It should be noted that an adequate supply of chi is required to prime the system sufficiently to achieve a “full head of sperm energy”. For this reason, I generally refrain from ejaculating more than I need to.

I’ll spare you all from a discussion of the meta-physical aspects of CCOs. But they are profound.

As you might well expect, there is much more to all of this, but this post is long enough already and I think I’ve laid out the basic info well.

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that it took me a little over 10 years to master SKF…solo. Mrs. x and I are still working (year 18) on mastering the sexual energy exchange implicit in dual CCOs.

Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?

xeno

Im joining this thread , would like to add the information to my arsenal.

These are two lengthy and helpful Q&A’s on the subject, made freely available on Youtube by Lincoln Gergar. He talks about Mantak Chia practices specifically toward the end of the first series.

They are 2-3 hour long, multi-part video series, so rather than embedding the links here, I’ve listed the titles which can be searched on Youtube.

Sexual Energy Cultivation & Mastery: Brahmacharya, Tantra, Soul Travel, Bliss (1 of 10)
Brahmacharya: Walking with God (1 of 12)


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Xeno,

Not sure if this has been asked before, but do you have any thoughts on Chia’s “million dollar point” AKA “the blocking method”? I’ve employed it over the years with the result of rapid spinal vibrations during a slightly extended “coming” phase, followed by retrograde ejaculation. Chia calls the method “training wheels” for real SKF. Did you use it before advancing beyond its necessity?

Thanks,
BD


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Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
Xeno,

Not sure if this has been asked before, but do you have any thoughts on Chia’s “million dollar point” AKA “the blocking method”? I’ve employed it over the years with the result of rapid spinal vibrations during a slightly extended “coming” phase, followed by retrograde ejaculation. Chia calls the method “training wheels” for real SKF. Did you use it before advancing beyond its necessity?

Thanks,
BD


Hi BD,

Not worth a wooden nickel to me. No, I didn’t use it, as it didn’t work for me.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Good to know, thanks.


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I have figured out how to ejaculate without having an orgasm.

Originally Posted by rumpelforeskin

I have figured out how to ejaculate without having an orgasm.

Now try to figure out how to have an orgasm without ejaculating. :)


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So when I’ve been jacking off I’m trying to use a kegel to allow myself the orgasm without ejaculating

But what happens is the por hits, then I have to hold a hard kegel to hold back jizz (which works), but then I get the refractory period even though I didn’t ejaculate at all.

So what’s happening there? What am I doing wrong?

Also: does anyone know much about “moving” “sexual energy” as the way Mantak Chia says to with the cool draw? I try to take the physical urge to nut out of my loins and move it up the spine but that urge just doesn’t go away.

Originally Posted by Bhauk
So when I’ve been jacking off I’m trying to use a kegel to allow myself the orgasm without ejaculating

But what happens is the por hits, then I have to hold a hard kegel to hold back jizz (which works), but then I get the refractory period even though I didn’t ejaculate at all.

So what’s happening there? What am I doing wrong?

Also: does anyone know much about “moving” “sexual energy” as the way Mantak Chia says to with the cool draw? I try to take the physical urge to nut out of my loins and move it up the spine but that urge just doesn’t go away.

Do you have cloudy pee after doing that? Very often it results in a retrograde ejaculation, where the semen is redirected into the bladder - so you still ejaculate, which results in a refactory period.

The type of ‘orgasm’ that Mantak Chia is talking about is more the prostate type orgasm than the ejaculatory orgasm.


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Somewhat cloudy. I think I am preventing very little of it from going anywhere.

Chia also mentions that the orgasm he has will fill his whole head, and it makes you taste something sweet/fragrant and then it descends down to your whole body… and you have to retain your semen to be able to achieve it, right?

Anyways that’s what I’m after because that sounds awesome. It’s just I don’t know how to do the “inner smile” cool draw exercise properly…

Do bear in mind that Chia is kind of a ‘Taoist Guru’ in his writing - he researches lots of old Taoist ‘wisdom’ and regurgitates it as though he has achieved mastery in it. I think he’s doing the West a service by sharing some very interesting Eastern esoteric knowledge, but much of what he writes about I doubt he has actually mastered, or even perhaps practiced to a high level himself. Most of it needs to be taught by direct-transmission from a teacher who has mastered it, not from a book.

I lived in Asia and studied with a number of Taoist masters (mostly martial arts and qigong, the latter of which dealt with moving energy). Trying to learn this stuff from a book is like trying to learn how to play piano from a book, with only a vague idea of how piano music sounds; maybe a few naturally gifted people may get somewhere, but the majority will either not get very far, or will convince themselves they are getting it right, when they are not. You need a real teacher who knows how to keep pushing you back onto the path when you start to stray. They don’t live around every corner.

Sadly in the modern world, which has little time for anything other than instant results, I don’t think the old knowledge will be practiced at all in another couple of generations, or will be very diluted. I barely practice any of it anymore.


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