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Chemical PE: Animal Testing

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London: curious, what are your current stats?

The bigger than animal, the more dangerous sticking something into their reproductive organ will become. Hazard pay may be in order :)

Originally Posted by sta-kool
London: curious, what are your current stats?

roughly 6.75 NBPEL and 5 EG

My grandmother passed away and left me a tonne of money in a trust fund. I get free access to the fund when I turn 25. CPE is a major part of my life. I would consider research into CPE a sound investment. If I discovered the magic formula I would probably set up a CPE clinic in Latin America or Thailand.

I am not being as delusional as you may think.

(1) According to the professor I got in contact with chronic Papaverine treatment results in growth

(2) There are the claims of numerous members of this site that CPE works

(3) It has been demonstrated that VEGF results in a twenty percent rise in SM content in rats. If that translates into a ten percent rise in penile volume then VEGF has been proven to work.


Last edited by london100 : 03-21-2012 at .

Not as we think. Uhm. You feel you are ‘desperate’ with above average stats and you want to throw away money.

If there are claims of ‘numerous members of this site’, then why starting doubious experiments on cows & C.? I think you need some kind of psychological help, or maybe just to find your way through life. Focus on school, London, I see you don’t dislike the ‘dirty work’ of searching and reading boring stuff. You could become a famous scientist one days. But the one you are outlining here is not the right path, you can trust us on this.

I would probably try VEGF with caverject and IGF-1 then. You are missing the part where I keep saying I have had 3-4, even 7-8 hour erections on this stuff (yes, I am fine) and I didn’t get shit. I was hanging heavily at the time which caused my girth gain, and the .3” was NOT just while I was injecting, it happened sometime in the past 1 year.

Why would you not just go with what we “know” works and pin it if you are so hellbent on doing it? I’m fine with that honestly, just learn how to inject right. Worst case scenario, you will probably have more smooth muscle and you’ll just get way better erections when it’s over.

I cannot see how you didnt gain anything from manual PE. You either went at it way too hard way too fast, or you fucked something up.

Originally Posted by marinera
Not as we think. Uhm. You feel you are ‘desperate’ with above average stats and you want to throw away money.

If there are claims of ‘numerous members of this site’, then why starting doubious experiments on cows & C.? I think you need some kind of psychological help, or maybe just to find your way through life. Focus on school, London, I see you don’t dislike the ‘dirty work’ of searching and reading boring stuff. You could become a famous scientist one days. But the one you are outlining here is not the right path, you can trust us on this.

Thanks very much for the compliment. I just feel that if there was a controlled experiment involving maybe fifty animals it would be very enlightening. I think that there are only around thirty people on TP, PEGYM and MOS that have done CPE and written about it. It is possible that some of these guys were scammers or trolls. They all followed different routines, with different manual exercises and different chemicals and dosages.

The “dirty work” of reading articles is difficult because the subject is never “how to enlarge your dick with chemicals”. You have to jump through hoops mentally to think how the findings could possibly relate to CPE or NPE. It would be so much easier if someone would just conduct an experiment with enlargement as the subject under investigation.

I admit that my problem is psychological rather than physical. My stats are apparently slightly above the average. But we are living in a post-feminist world. Dick size is now very important to a man’s quality of life. Men are physically graded in the same way that women are. Sex is my only passion in life. That is another reason why I have resorted to CPE.

Originally Posted by ironaddict69
I would probably try VEGF with caverject and IGF-1 then. You are missing the part where I keep saying I have had 3-4, even 7-8 hour erections on this stuff (yes, I am fine) and I didn’t get shit. I was hanging heavily at the time which caused my girth gain, and the .3” was NOT just while I was injecting, it happened sometime in the past 1 year.

Why would you not just go with what we “know” works and pin it if you are so hellbent on doing it? I’m fine with that honestly, just learn how to inject right. Worst case scenario, you will probably have more smooth muscle and you’ll just get way better erections when it’s over.

I cannot see how you didnt gain anything from manual PE. You either went at it way too hard way too fast, or you fucked something up.

There are people who simply cannot gain from NPE. I believe Marinera posted a study about physiological differences in tunica structure amongst healthy men. I have read a number of threads by people who claim to have practised NPE religiously without success. I did actually gain a substantial amount of length from pumping, but absolutely nothing in girth.

When you length gains will stop, your penis will have no other direction to grow than in girth. Have patience.

‘There are people who simply cannot gain from NPE.’. Well it makes a lot of sense that CPE, who never worked on anyone by what we know, will work just fine on them.

Originally Posted by marinera
When you length gains will stop, your penis will have no other direction to grow than in girth. Have patience.

‘There are people who simply cannot gain from NPE.’. Well it makes a lot of sense that CPE, who never worked on anyone by what we know, will work just fine on them.

Marinera, I appreciate your input a lot, but sometimes you can be unreasonable.

We have already had this argument. There are many people on this site who claim to have gained from CPE. I made a list in my previous thread. It is perfectly reasonable for you to question the validity of their testimonies, or for you to claim that their gains have been unimpressive. But to simply state that nobody has gained from CPE contributes nothing to the discussion.

London, Ironaddict just pointed you were you keep making mistakes, here
ironaddict69 - Chemical Pe: Animal Testing

those who claim to have gained with CPE were also on a hard NPE routine. If CPE could work, you should be able to find reliable subjects who could give some proof that they have gained through CPE alone. It is pretty simple, actually, and not ‘unreasonable’ at all. No proof, CPE doesn’t work.

Even if CPE could speed up gains achievable through NPE (which there isnt any proof either), it wouldn’t help yourself, since you firmly believe that you can’t gain girth through NPE.

Actually, it seems CPE alone doesn’t work either on people who gain pretty well through NPE -like Ironaddict.

At the light of this all, trying CPE on beasts, what the hell could that accomplish?

Originally Posted by london100
The larger the animals the more accurate and informative the experiment. If there are any farmers out there with cows, horses, sheep that they don’t mind employing in the furtherance of science I would like to hear from you. I am being totally serious BTW.


Exactly what kind of gain could cows and sheep possibly have?

BTW, if you are serious, check with iamaru instead.


regards, mgus

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Glad to see this (rather odd :) ) discussion is remaining civil….

Let’s keep it that way. :up:


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Irionaddict69 did not disprove CPE. He simply said that he gained .3” over the course of a year and for only part of that time practised CPE.

The monkeys that I posted about in my previous thread appear to have gained despite not practising NPE. Marinera disputes the reliability of this evidence, which is fine. We can have a respectful disagreement on this point. I would rather not debate the monkeys any more. I believe that everything has been said.

I also read recently in a medical textbook that PGE is a potent inhibitor of smooth muscle growth. That could potentially be the reason why the monkeys on Papaverine gained impressively and the humans on PGE-based drugs gained less impressively.

There are drugs that can radically increase SM content in a remarkably short space of time (VEGF for example). If a 20 percent rise in SM = a 10 percent rise in penile volume then we are in business.

This regrettably will be my last post on TP for the next couple of months. I am not running away from the argument. I just need to concentrate on some college exams that are coming up in a few months.

I will continue to read this thread, but unfortunately I have to ban myself from posting.

Just one more thing. The VEGF studies sometimes conclude that the results are not statistically significant because of the high standard deviations. But the gain in SM content experienced by animals on three or four week courses of VEGF is normally in the region of 20 percent (even when the results are technically statistically insignificant).

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