A wise man once said, it is much easier to criticize a book then to write one.
Indeed. I agree. However, effort expended on something isn’t a gauge of its validity.
Having done some R&D work on various things, I know how it feels when something I had put a lot of effort into that looked like it would work didn’t pan out. Learn, adjust and make another, better one. It might land in the junk pile too. If that happens, then learn, adjust, and make another, better one. Eventually it works out.
With that being said, I want to make it clear that I fully agree -
-The survey did not build facts, it built theories.
-It is a survey - and surveys are created to build ideas and theories. The first page of this article has the ideas and theories that the survey has built.
Ok, here’s a point where we differ. Data don’t build or suggest anything. People do these things, as you have done here.
>-In a scientific world these ideas and theories are put to the test. I will be doing this by creating another survey.
I hope you will. I tried to offer some suggestions in my previous post.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean since both links are the same URL, but I assume you’re suggesting I should have said something earlier. I’m not interested committing the time and effort needed to do a comprehensive survey. I mentioned that before.
A wise man once said, “Shit in one hand and wish in the other. See which fills up first.” I have yet to comprehend the full meaning of that pearl of wisdom, but it certainly matches my experience in life. ;) We don’t always get what we wish for.
>Almost every question you had trouble answered asked on average. If it did not ask on average, the answer choices were made to fit “on average.”
I’m saying that I, and many others who have been PEing for years, can’t provide “an average” that is useful. You didn’t define average. Even if you had, an average wouldn’t be an accurate representation of what I’ve done over 3+ years.
If a guy runs a mile in 4 minutes and then sits down for 56 minutes, his average speed is a 1 mile per hour.
If grandpa takes 20 minutes to walk half a mile, stops and sleeps for 20 minutes, then manages another half mile in 20 minutes, his average speed is also 1 mile per hour. Are these equivalent?
As an example of my inability to provide a good answer, what did you want for session time? When I first started PE and was stretching/jelqing? Later, when doing other things? Sometimes I’ve spent minutes per day on average, other times hours per day on average. If I include breaks and lulls, and smudge it all out to a guestimatation of 3-5 or however minutes per day on average over the past years including off time, would that figure provide useful data for determining the optimum length of PE sessions or anything else? No. It would be meaningless. And that figure would even be a wild guess on my part unless I had kept detailed records. I haven’t.
Did you ask how many sessions were done per day?
Now, you also critiqued my analyzing. I will be completely honest, I am not an A-class survey conductor or analyzer, yet. However, I do believe I made it quite clear that the results are what the data suggests (please see my clarification of the word “suggests” above.)
Yes, you said that. The data suggest nothing. They are numbers and can’t suggest anything. People interpreting the data suggest things.
>I absolutely agree there could definitely be other variables. In fact, in the actual “pills analysis:” I suggest two other possible variables: 1 - the number of votes in each group, 2 - the motivation of the “yes group.”
I gave another possibility. I’m sure there are more. Your association of pill use with gains, and apparent presumption of cause and effect, was inappropriate. You wrote, under number 11 in your results post:
“The people who use penis enlargement pills combined with exercises gained 43 percent more cubic inches than those who do not, which suggests that penis enlargement pills do help gains.”
However, You didn’t answer these two questions:
How can you see the problem affecting the results? How big of a problem do you think it is?
Concerning girth measurements, your omission probably doesn’t matter much for individual changes over time. Most guys probably measure consistently. However, not specifying a measuring point will likely affect absolute size. We’ve seen this in other PE studies and surveys.
Some studies are NBP and others are BP. You can’t compare them. We in the PE community are probably even different from those. Here we press the ruler in harder. A doc or study technician taking a BP measurement would only lightly press into the fat pad compared to what we do. Girth here, if no other specification is mentioned, means midshaft girth, not the widest point. Some studies use the widest point.
Many veterans and moderators claim “pills don’t work,” and “masturbation doesn’t affect gains.” In their advice, they pass their beliefs off as “the truth.”
Where is the evidence? What if everyone is wrong? What if they do affect gains? At the very least, I think we should stop advising people on things we aren’t sure of.
First, I like your questioning attitude.
Concerning the general attitude toward pills expressed here, what if I were to assert that Flintstone vitamins give good PE gains? Should members not advise people I’m fracking bonkers for suggesting such a thing? Should everyone wait for a survey or study demonstrating Flintstone’s don’t work (well, Betty might)? Of course not.
Some here have tried PE pills (nasty and ineffective things). Others are quite familiar with the alleged ingredients and the effects of those ingredients. They have tried them individually and in combinations with no anecdotal evidence indicating they have done anything to help increase size.
As for masturbating/ejaculating after a session, feel free to pursue the matter. If you do, please try to be objective. I’m not aware of any physiological mechanism from blowing a load that could even theoretically affect PE progress. IMO, it’s not worth studying any more than whether jelqing under a new moon or full moon makes a difference. But, you never know.