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The PE Survey results!

Pills -

I read a review of dietary supplements for bodybuilders, a nutritionalist (I think) wrote them off as nothing you won’t get with a decent diet, and claimed that the common explanation for why supplements (for whatever) worked was that since you’ve paid for it, you are committed and follow the other parts of the regime more diligently than those that “only” train.

Ejaculation -

It could be that those that masturbate more do so because they are not in an active relationship and don’t have a specific clear goal in the close future (such as hearing “Oh my … GOD!”) and therefore aren’t as diligent. It could also be that those that masturbate but don’t ejaculate are “saving it for the wife” and have a immediate goal (see previous argument), such as Vincent van Cock, if I recall correctly.

Exept for that, thumbs up Remek - good work!


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Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

The warm up/heat not affecting gains ties in with my experience.

I know heat makes the penis tissue more elastic - I actually measured my penis stretch more when I heated it. So after not warming up for my first year I did three months of thorough heating with a rice sock. I had high hopes but what was the result? Zero gains!


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Remek thanks. The results look correct from my experience with PE with knowledge/techniques gleaned from Thunders exclusively.

I am with hobby on this. I see a lot of potential for abuse in a poll that is open to anyone and that allows a single person to vote as many times and ways as they wish to. Who’s to say one of the pill pushers didn’t tweak the results a little.

Or do you have a way to guard against such abuse remek?


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Originally Posted by remek

Confusions & Controversies:
Without a doubt, the biggest confusions and controversies revolve around these two topics:
Penis enlargement pills (number 11) – Popularly believed to be a scam, having no affect on gains. The data suggests otherwise.
Masturbation (numbers 4 and 5) – This is a two-sided argument. Many men believe it affects gains, while others strongly believe it does not. The data suggests that ejaculating, and masturbation leads to fewer gains.


Of course, if you’re always whacking off, you’ll have less time for PE

The real question, that has been burning in my mind, is “How do gains affect masturbation?”

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I voiced my opinion before in another survey thread, but I’ll repeat myself. Several of the questions seemed to be made to lead the response to a certain conclusion. It may have been unintentional, but given the ability to respond with only “yes or no” limited one to sometimes agreeing with the question even though it wasn’t entirely appropriate or correct (in one’s own situation) to do so.

I’ll give an “A” for effort, but cannot agree with the results. Perhaps you can take some suggestions from members here to create another survey with questions that don’t begin with foregone conclusions (as some, not all, of this survey’s questions did).

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
I am with hobby on this. I see a lot of potential for abuse in a poll that is open to anyone and that allows a single person to vote as many times and ways as they wish to. Who’s to say one of the pill pushers didn’t tweak the results a little.

Or do you have a way to guard against such abuse remek?

Absolutely. No one that finished the poll can take it again. It was a benefit that I paid for.
This is why there are 957 “total” votes, and only 545 of those can be used.

The 545 votes are finished votes, and one person CANNOT vote more than once if they are part of the 545 finished votes… Unless of course someone decided to use multiple computers (with different IP’s), but that is A lot of work with barely any return. Going to a different place to tweak the results for a “few extra votes…”

Furthermore, I personally don’t think the survey on its own has enough backing to claim penis enlargement pills work 100 percent. I think more testing is definitely needed. I plan on creating a second survey that will last 6 months on my website. The survey will have a few repeat questions, and a lot of new questions having to do with:
Alcohol, and its influence on gains
Ejaculation, and its influence on gains
Marijuana, and its influence on gains
Etc..


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Remek,
I think the fact that you took on such a huge project is commendable! This is one of the best things that has been done for PE on such a large scale.

However, like some others have voiced, I had problems answering some of the questions because the wording of the questions/responses were not accurate to my situation. I had to choose the closest or the least inaccurate response.

This is not to say that you efforts are not to be applauded; I think you deserve a lot of credit for doing this. It would take at LEAST a tenfold effort to expand the survey to incorporate all possible scenarios.

Thanks again for doing this survey and :up: :up:


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One need only leave the surface of the planet to realize we are all one people.

“When a participant completes your survey that has been specified to be only one survey per participant, a cookie is placed on the participant’s computer. This cookie then identifies that person as having taken the survey and does not allow them to participate again

(sample message:Your participation has already been recorded for the requested survey. The survey creator has requested only one survey response per person. Thank you for your participation.

If you don’t believe that you have completed this survey, please check your invitation carefully and contact the survey creator for additional information.)

To be honest, I am not a computer hacker; nor do I know much about cookies, so I cannot answer if the cookie is “easily removable.”

But, how and why would someone do that? As xlmagnum said, “I won’t be out to buy penis enlargement pills this afternoon…”
There are hundreds of pill companies out there, Which one would gain from this? Like I said earlier, if there is a way to get by the cookie then it would be a lot of work (answering 32 questions in a half-way ordered fashion multiple times), for barely any return. The survey results didn’t clearly say penis enlargement pills work. The results suggests pills help.

I don’t know a lot about pills, but from what I understand they help produce more blood flow. This would make perfect sense. More blood to work with, more to grow.

Again, I do not suggest spending a lot of money on pills (unless you have a lot of money to spend), I believe most of the “beneficial ingredients” are in the supplements forum.

We are in an age of realization. If what we take into our bodies affect our thinking, our mental processes, and our health, then why couldn’t it affect our gains as well?

I don’t know if pills do or don’t work, but it is definitely a topic worthy of discussion, and experimentation.
Maybe we can take the next step. Find 50-100 dedicated people, set them up on a plan, and run an experiment.


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>To be honest, I am not a computer hacker; nor do I know much about cookies, so I cannot answer if the cookie is “easily removable.”<

Very easily. You could even deny the cookie in the first place, preventing it being set at all.

or set it to a write only file, or allow for session only, or get into your browser and in three clicks have the cookie deleted.

Why would they do it? Think about it for a minute remek.

As far as filling out the survey, formfill in windows will do that for you.


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I don’t mean at all to roil the waters of Remek’s hard work in trying to get some science into what we PE’ers do. He put a hell of a lot of hours and thought into this study and we should all commend him for that.

Having completed the survey and read the results, though, I am left with a whole bunch of questions and some doubts about the validity of the results primarily in two areas, the very ones which he predicts will be controversial: the effect or not of so-called Penis Pills and that of masturbation and ejaculation on gains.

Like others, I had trouble answering some questions because they did not apply specifically to me and what I do and were instead vague and somewhat open-ended. I had to sort of second-guess my way through some of it, trying to be as accurate as possible as to what I construed the survey designer’s intentions were.

Letting the Penis Pill issue go for the moment, we are left with inconclusive study evidence of the effect of masturbation/ejaculation on gains because so many factors are not isolated in the study as to actual behavior. I happen to agree more with what magnumXL said earlier in this thread: that it is not how often you masturbate or ejaculate, but when in time you do that compared with when you do your PE and for the reasons he states as well as the psychological benefit mentioned by others of remaining sort of “edged” for awhile after your PE session.

If you don’t get yourself off within the hour specified, but you do a couple hours later, does that make a difference?

The masturbation question was asked first. “On average, how often do you masturbate?” In most of our minds masturbation is tightly tied to ejaculation, the usual object of it. I anwered the question as if it were assumed that I get off each time I do that, but that is not so in practice. Sometimes I do blow a load. Sometimes I just masturbate. Sometimes I just leave my workout behind, ending with a hard-on. Further, there was no question that covered how intercourse might fit in, so to say. A lot of guys do PE prior to sex so that they are more pumped up going into it. Some of us get surprise offers and take our partners up on them. Not many of us are going to say, “Sorry, Honey, not until April 12th. I can only cum once a month.” Sex happens, with ejaculation, and is not accounted for in the survey although a lot of guys who have frequent sex also get PE gains.

And there is the empirical and also subjective fact that I happened to luck out in PE by being a steady gainer, making substantial ones in spite of having a lot of sex and masturbating to climax regularly, too, so I am looking at the results in this area of the study with a very jaundiced eye.


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In the end any online survey can be abused but that doesn’t mean it has been.

If the method for checking a person couldn’t complete it twice was fullproof, it wouldn’t stop a campaign being organised to answer in a certain way by a commercial interest, a pressure group or whatever. Even DNA fingerprinting each response wouldn’t fix that one.

That said only a cookie is extremely weak.

I haven’t looked at the survey, so I can’t comment on content.

The claims of the penis pill companies don’t suggest you do PE exercises in addition to the pills, they claim as a stand-alone supplement…you can take them and gain 1”-3”. That is completely off. You will possibly have better erection quality giving the appearance of growth. That better erection quality would help with PE exercises and over time would produce better gains. The pills themselves are only indirectly involved with the gains…not directly. I wouldn’t pay more for those than I do for L-Arginine.

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