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The PE Survey results!

Remek-

I’m happy to do whatever I can to help.

xeno


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Sounds good gentlemen. Might be a good idea to work on a list of questions first. Then go over that list one question at a time until eveyone is happy with the wording of that first question, then move on to the next question.


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Originally Posted by ThunderSS
Sounds good gentlemen. Might be a good idea to work on a list of questions first. Then go over that list one question at a time until eveyone is happy with the wording of that first question, then move on to the next question.

Great!

Originally Posted by Para
Sounds good. The first step, of course, is to identify the burning PE questions we care most about answering.

I agree with this. What do we want to find out? This was an area I wish I would have focused on a little more before the first survey. After we do this, I agree with Thunder, we should work on a list of questions to find our answers. Then go over that list one question at a time until everyone is happy.

I took the liberty of starting a “creating the second PE survey area in Wiki.”

Started a list of “The questions we want answers to.” I only had a few minutes, so it isn’t anything special yet.

Add all suggestions and comments on the PE survey here: Category:Survey … You do not have to limit the ideas to “identifying the question we want to answer.” If you have and ideas that would help the next PE Survey, start a new section and link it to the survey area (it is very easy to figure out).

Leave all the ideas of “question we want answered” on the page. We will go hrough them later and take the ones out we don’t like. Again, don’t take anything out yet, just add. However, if you do find a question or idea is worded bad — feel free to edit it.

Note : Thunder, I don't know if it in the right place. I couldn't edit the whole topic, stopping me from adding a link at the bottom of the page. Eitherway, if you want it moved — just let me know.

Using Wiki is easy, just go to my link, and click the edit button. Then add your ideas!


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Originally Posted by xenolith
Remek-

I’m happy to do whatever I can to help.

xeno

Glad to hear it man. Try adding a thing or two to Wiki if you have any ideas.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I’d be happy to help, Remek.

I am extremely pleased to hear it! You are definetly a man who tries to find the truth behind PE. Has anyone seen Modesto’s Testing the LOT Theory Thread? You definetly bring A class work to this project.


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Like I said in my very first post ever, the pills give you much needed blood!!

But you people never listen. Pro solution all the way baby!

Pills, Masturbation And The Second Survey

Regarding the first PE Survey and suggestions for the second one:

First off I want to thank remek for all the time and effort he put into this project. As usual, I was late getting to really examine the results thread:

The PE Survey results!

but after doing so I have a few comments that I felt would be better addressed in another thread, so I put them here. There are two very controversial elements have risen that need to be addressed and carefully worded in the next survey, and now a third element has reared its ugly head. They are as follows:

One: The worn out issue of whether or not PE pills work
Two: The even more worn, doe’s masturbation effect gains
Three: Can the survey be compromised by pill pushers or multiple entries?

I will address the last issue briefly, because my knowledge of this is limited. I feel this particular concern is better left in the hands of those more literate on the technical end of computer issues. I am a writer by trade, and although I use these machines in my work, I know little about them. When I have a computer problem I pay someone to fix it. Although there is little doubt in my mind that the integrity of such a survey could be compromised by any hacker with the intent to do so, the question that arises is why someone would go to the trouble.

The survey is in itself time consuming, and I can’t honestly see anyone going to the trouble of purposely sabotaging the results, especially on the matter of masturbation effecting gains. In the unlikely event that some PE pill manufacture is trying to control aspects of the survey for financial gain, perhaps this is something we need to look into. I don’t feel this happened in the first survey, but now that such a ruckus has been made about it, it may very well be attempted in the next second one, because we have tipped off any potential scam artist who may have been lurking here. So special efforts need to be taken to ensure against this sort of “Cheating” in the second survey, and I know we have members here such as Thunder,Mem and Stevie and probably many others who are skilled in safeguarding the integrity of such a project. The wiki sounds like a good idea to me, although I know nothing of using it.

Thunder suggested that someone using a proxy server might be able to manipulate the survey. I’m not clear on this. For instance, I have a proxy server on my network in my home office. (I think I do, anyway). I believe that icon is still in my Network Neighborhood, although I seem to recall that was the doorway for a Trojan virus that wiped me out last year, and I think its use has been eliminated. There are five computers in my apartment all connected together with a router, or a hub I believe it is called. Mrz. G. and I both have our own account with the forum, but I only have one IP for that network. So, let’s say for sake of argument that I wanted to vote on a poll or participate in a survey five times once from each computer in my apartment. Couldn’t’t a moderator see that although five different machines were used, all the votes where coming from one or two accounts and from the one IP? The only way I can see, in my limited wisdom, a pill pusher scamming us like this, is if they had a very large network and a lot of accounts to have any significant effect on the results of the survey. Even then could it not be detected that all events were coming from a common IP address?

As far as the other two issues, I think people may have been misread on the pill and masturbation topic for the following reasons:

I personally agree with the pills and the ejaculation analogy to some degree. I know NXO2 really plumps me up and helps with girth work, and edging most certainly makes a difference. I think one should NEVER ejaculate during or shortly after girth work. Hanging, it doesn’t’t matter, but holding back in the tube or the clamp really does make a difference, or at least it does for me. I won’t even cum inside a WOMAN on the days I work girth. I still have intercourse every day, I just don’t ejaculate.

I have alluded to the use of pills and celibacy for girth work for years, in most of my threads, all of my earlier threads. But I’m not talking about the use of Penis pills to permanently make you bigger, but supplements (vasodilators) such as arginine, or better yet, salts of arginine like all the NXO2 products. These VDs do help with girth work no doubt about it. I feel they have played a big part in the girth I have now.

Recently I’ve replaced the NXO2 with the liquid Calis because it works much better, but for most men it’s just too expensive to use for PE, even buying it from kitsnmore. However, for those on a budget, the Walmart brand of NXO2 will work just fine. You just have use a lot of it, but it is cheap.

Now, I do agree that products like Elongate, or Enzyte and even some of the topical creams like Enlarge are a waste of money. Pills like this really ARE rip offs. They all have the basic supplements we all know and use for PE. Nothing in a bottle will give you permanent gains on its own. But in my experience a lot of these supplements make your dick harder while they are in your system and make it hang bigger soft. Just like with Calis or Viagra you will have a better hang while you are on the drugs, because all the veins and arteries are dilated so the flaccid is full of blood and hangs heavy, but as soon as you stop taking them, or take any vasoconstrictors such as ephedrine, or an ECA stack (like I do to run and swim) your flaccid will shrink back up. But what these drugs do while you are on them help tremendously with girth work. They also happen to be real handy for sex, and the fact they leave you with a nice heavy blood enriched flaccid is just a little icing on the cake.

And as far as ejaculation: edging, or just holding it as long as you can while you are clamping or pumping is very beneficial to girth gains. It has helped me a lot. If I ejaculate after girth work I lose girth immediately, where as if I hold it back a few days (the more the better) I keep the post girth workout engorgement for several days without turtling. “And believe me, keeping the penis as thick possible for as long as possible builds girth. I’m not alone with any of this. I’m sure lots of members feel this way about the Pill and Ejaculation issues, so any questions on the second survey should carefully address these two topics for accuracy.

In closing let me say this:
I can easily clamp and pump myself into a faux-seven-inch flaccid girth that will last about five days, if I don’t ejaculate. In fact I plan to do this Labor Day weekend, for a nudist camp bike rally outside Weatherford. I can also assure you the aforementioned supplements with be coursing through my enlarged arteries, and I know I will be hanging nicely. So in this case, at least for me, Pills and Celibacy do work and are beneficial to PE.

BG


2003: 6X5 2010: 7X7

No Nukes


Last edited by Big Girtha : 08-21-2005 at .

Welp I just keep gaining… :D

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Thunder suggested that someone using a proxy server might be able to manipulate the survey. I’m not clear on this. For instance, I have a proxy server on my network in my home office. (I think I do, anyway). I believe that icon is still in my Network Neighborhood, although I seem to recall that was the doorway for a Trojan virus that wiped me out last year, and I think its use has been eliminated. There are five computers in my apartment all connected together with a router, or a hub I believe it is called. Mrz. G. and I both have our own account with the forum, but I only have one IP for that network. So, let’s say for sake of argument that I wanted to vote on a poll or participate in a survey five times once from each computer in my apartment. Couldn’t’t a moderator see that although five different machines were used, all the votes where coming from one or two accounts and from the one IP? The only way I can see, in my limited wisdom, a pill pusher scamming us like this, is if they had a very large network and a lot of accounts to have any significant effect on the results of the survey. Even then could it not be detected that all events were coming from a common IP address?

Coming from a hacker background I would say yes you ARE using one form of a proxy BG as a router/hub that splits the bandwidth of your internet connection between your networked computers in your home. One problem area in your case is someone sniffing your internet traffic to steal passwords, credit cards or other sensitive information, this attack can also be used to actually inject fake data into your traffic streams so I can look like I made the post from that you just made here at Thunder’s by modifying it, etc…

Now you must know there all sorts of proxies. I have used them many times in the past to do hacking, it’s the only sane safe way to not get caught. A hacker can not only use a proxy to change his IP address when doing ANY internet activity, not just browsing the web but he can also find and locate many different anonymous free proxy servers (using SOCKS or the WEB) running on the net that will allow him to chain or bounce through those proxys in a chain masking his IP address multiple times before he performs a attack on you.

So say someone attacks you and you find his IP address. You proceed to use something like www.networksolutions.com and other DNS/Whois tools to lookup his IP address and what ISP that connection/IP address is coming from in the world along with some phone numbers and email addresses to report abuse. So then you proceed to complain about this IP address that attacked you to the abuse@thereisp.com email address or phone call them to report the attack and guess what, the network admins may find evidence in there proxy server log files of that IP address but they see it was chained to some other IP address so then you repeat the process many many times trying to track the attacker. Also be aware that it is really up to the people running the anonymous proxy server to even log the people’s IP addresses using it! If one proxy server doesn’t log the people coming in and out of it then guess the trail stops dead there for the most part…

In fact one little trick I would do to get around web site limitations of you could only download X amount of times was to simply use google to search for some free anonymous proxy servers (hell even anonymizer software will work) then in your web browser go to the web proxy server setup page (in IE goto Tools->Internet Options->Connections->LAN Settings->Checkmark the use a proxy server box->Click the advanced button and type in the anoymous proxy’s server IP address and Port number in the web field->then press Apply and Ok to every window to register the new settings)

So as you can see it is almost impossible to track or hack a smart hacker/cracker. This is why not even the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, or any of these places can alaways track the smarter clever hackers that really know what they are doing when they launch these worm and virus attacks because of cloaking and hiding techniques like this. I only scratched the service of how to hide yourself, I could go on for days with other techniques…
I’ll have to repost later on my thoughts on how to best secure this situation your talking about, I didn’t expect to go off on a tangent like this, but that’s just how it is…

Cool smilie

Man, why do the mods have all the cool smilies? I forgot to list Pro Solutions: I haven’t checked the ingredients, but I assure you it has all the same shit that is in all the others, probably supps that can be bought in GNC for a fraction of the price.

Remek: I started writing a response to all this but it turned into a pretty lengthy rebuttal, so I posted it here:

Link to bad thread (threadid 54974) removed

I do believe that a second survey is in order, and I wish you luck with it. I’ll help anyway I can, but time is a rare commodity for me right now, as I’m sure it is with a lot of us.

Good Luck


2003: 6X5 2010: 7X7

No Nukes

Remek,

I’ll help you if you need anymore guys. Whether it be going over the questions, or helping with setting it up and getting some of those lazy SOBs to vote, I’m here. :)

BG,

That isn’t a mod smilie. :spam:

Cool: I haven’t checked the smilie page in a while. T. thanks, guess it is better to keep all this stuff together or it will end up like the clamping threads. Perhaps we will all end up on the wiki.


2003: 6X5 2010: 7X7

No Nukes

Originally Posted by xlmagnum
Remek,

I’ll help you if you need anymore guys. Whether it be going over the questions, or helping with setting it up and getting some of those lazy SOBs to vote, I’m here. :)

BG,

That isn’t a mod smilie. :spam:

Absolutely… check out the wiki page here: Category:Survey .. Add what you can. I would love having you as a right hand man on the whole project — afterall, you were the one to motivate me to start the first pe survey.

Here is what wiki has so far:

Ideas and Thoughts for the next PE survey
The questions we want answers to:

• How many men suffer from a PE injury. Is the injury permanent? How did it affect gains?

• Does a warm-up decrease the chance of injury?

• Does smoking cigarettes decrease gains?

• Does smoking marijuana decrease gains?

• Does drinking alcohol decrease gains?

• Does drinking soda decrease gains?

RE Questions:

• Does masturbation affect gains?

• Does ejaculation affect gains?

• Does using a warm-up affect gains?

• Do supplements (such as pills and L arginine) affect gains?

Everyone, add what you can, when you can.


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