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The PE Survey results!

The PE Survey results!

THE PE Survey RESULTS:
The PE Survey was a survey created on www.advancedsurvey.com. The survey was advertised on the free forums of Thunders Place and MOS. It was opened in April, and was closed down in July – opened for nearly three months.
957 men took The PE Survey. However, due to “duplicated results,” and for the best accuracy only 545 of these men were able to be used in the analysis.
Below are the top 15 things the PE Survey found. The FULL analysis of each question is not shown, but they will be posted in-detail on a website I am creating for the PE survey results as soon as possible. The survey was analyzed in volume.

Disclaimer: The results are not the opinion of the author. Nor is the author stating the results are 100 percent truth. Everything below is what the data SUGGESTS, not the author, and should not be passed as facts. As with all science, multiple tests have to be completed until something becomes factual.

1. How much do we actually gain?
The average gains for men who have been exercising their penis for at least three months is 1 inch in length, and a half an inch in girth (1” X .51”). Translating this into volume*, on average the men who exercise their penises for three months or more have increased their penis size by 42 percent — nearly half a size bigger than what they started with! [Questions 6 – 9, asking for PRE and POST stats]

2. Does PE work?
Out of 545 men who have performed penis exercises at least once, only 7 people (approximately one percent) believed penis enlargement does not work. [Question 3 – Do you think natural penis enlargement works?]

3. Where do you acquire your knowledge?
The two groups who gained the least were the men who acquired most of their knowledge from Matters of Size and Thunder’s Place.
The “middle group” was the people who acquired most of their knowledge from a combination of two of the following: Thunder’s Place, MOS, and the original PE forums
The top two gaining groups were the very few men who acquired their knowledge from the original PE forums and other sources;
Although the results clearly state the highest gainers were those who acquired most of their PE knowledge from the Original PE forums, and Other Sources we should not be quick in parading to “other penis exercising sites” and requesting the original PE forums back. The skewed results are most likely due to the highly uneven number of votes and the more time spent exercising the penis in the highest two groups. [Question 5 – Where do you acquire most of your knowledge regarding PE?]

4. The Masturbation affect:
The results suggest that men who masturbate less gain more. This is extremely evident when comparing the people who masturbated once a month or less (average gain of 6.22 cubic inches) to the people who masturbated a few times a month or more (average girth gain of 3.87 cubic inches). Meaning, the people who masturbated once a month or less gained 60 percent more cubic inches than the people who masturbated a few times a month or more. [Question 12 – On average, how often do you masturbate?]

5. The Ejaculation affect:
Question 19 takes the Masturbation affect one step further, suggesting it is not masturbating that affects gains, but masturbating and ejaculating shortly after a PE session that does. The group that ejaculated within an hour after a PE session, increased their penis size a third less than the groups that did not. [Question 19 - Within an hour after a normal PE session do you masturbate? If yes, do you ejaculate? Please select the answer that fits you best (meaning if you masturbate and ejaculate 70 percent of the time, then check “Yes, and I Ejaculate.”]
In summary, the data suggests masturbating and withholding ejaculation does not hurt gains, however masturbating and ejaculating does.

6. The erection affect:
The majority of men who exercise their penis experience stronger and harder erections. [Question 18 – Since you started PE has your erections been affected?]

7. Does exercising the penis cause discoloration?
Approximately 60 percent of the people who voted experienced some sort of discoloration caused by PE. The majority of these people reported having a darker penis (46 percent over all reported having a darker penis). [Question 17 – After you began using PE did your penis discolor? – check all that apply ]

8. Does a warm-up reduce the darkening affects?
Using a warm-up does not reduce the darkening affects caused by PE. [Question 17 – After you began using PE did your penis discolor? – check all that apply ]

9. Do gains slow down with after a few months?
There is a complete correlation with more time & experience exercising the penis and more gains. No where do the results suggest gains “stall” or “die out” after a certain amount of time. [Question 2 – Approximately, how long have you been using natural penis enlargement techniques, TOTAL?]

10. Does it matter how much time I spend on a PE session?
According to the results, your penis will expand and grow according to how much time you put into a PE session. The more time spent exercising the penis, the more it will grow. However, there are obvious conditions. If you are a beginner, do not jump into a hanging session that consists of “multiple hours.” That is a path leading to ‘Injury Lane.’ Slowly increase the length of time you spend on your penis workout. In the end, anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour, 4-5 days a week will probably give you the best results. [Question 20 – On average, how much time do you spend on a PE session?]

11. Do Penis Enlargement pills help?
The people who use penis enlargement pills combined with exercises gained 43 percent more cubic inches than those who do not, which suggests that penis enlargement pills do help gains. [Question 14 – Did you use penis enlargement pills during the time you exercised your penis?]

12. How do most people find out about PE?
The majority of men who exercise their penis learned about it by searching for it on the web. [Question 4 - Where did you first learn/hear about natural PE?]

13. Does exercising the penis lead to curvature?
Over 90 percent of men do not obtain a penis curve caused by PE. [Question 16 - Does your penis have a curve in it that was not there before you started using natural penis enlargement?]

14. Does exercising the penis lead to a change in erection level?
The majority of men do not experience or notice any change in their erection level caused by exercising the penis. [Question 15 - While PEing, did your angle of erection change? If yes - how so?]

15. Does a warm-up help with gains?
The data suggests that using a warm-up prior to a penis exercising routine had no connection with increased gains (opposed to not using a warm-up).
However, this does not mean we should all throw away our heating pads and infrared lamps. Using a warm-up is the safest known way to exercise the penis. Without a warm-up, there is most likely a greater chance of injuring yourself. Additionally, using a warm-up is believed to cause less bruising and skin problems. Question 13 – warm up analysis.xls

Confusions & Controversies:
Without a doubt, the biggest confusions and controversies revolve around these two topics:
Penis enlargement pills (number 11) – Popularly believed to be a scam, having no affect on gains. The data suggests otherwise.
Masturbation (numbers 4 and 5) – This is a two-sided argument. Many men believe it affects gains, while others strongly believe it does not. The data suggests that ejaculating, and masturbation leads to fewer gains.

The best way to receive this information is with an open-mind. The data from the PE survey is quite consistent. Instead of everyone stating the results are wrong, wrong, wrong! We should all ask the question, where is the truth behind the PE survey claims? Why does the data suggest ejaculating leads to decreased gains; and penis enlargement pills help gains? After all, that is what we are all here for – to help each other learn more about PE.

Again, the complete survey results will be up on a website I am creating for the survey results. You will be able to download the actual data for critiquing, and who knows maybe you can find something that I missed! Or that I calculated wrong!


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Excellent and very interesting survey dude. Thanks for taking the time doing this and compiling the results.

I think you’re on the right track seeking data. However, I took your survey and wasn’t sure how to answer many of the questions. Surveys need to be carefully constructed and worded. If multiple choice answers are offered, the options available must cover all possible circumstances. Yours didn’t.

Be very careful drawing even any tentative conclusions or suggestions from these results. IMO, based on the design I saw, I doubt many valid ones can be drawn.

That said, you’ve demonstrated there is interest in such a thing. Set one up right and the results could be very interesting.

Nice work, remek


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Hobby, you’ve just written off the whole survey just like that?

I think you should be far more specific on which parts and in what ways the survey is flawed. Obviously you will have to see the full results on the site remek is preparing and explain in more detail your reservations.

Remek, I think you’ve done a great job with the survey. There is bound to be valid criticism of any project like this, but I definitely think it will prove to be one of the most worthwhile things that a member has done here! :up:


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Originally Posted by mbuc
Hobby, you’ve just written off the whole survey just like that?

I think you should be far more specific on which parts and in what ways the survey is flawed. Obviously you will have to see the full results on the site remek is preparing and explain in more detail your reservations.

Remek, I think you’ve done a great job with the survey. There is bound to be valid criticism of any project like this, but I definitely think it will prove to be one of the most worthwhile things that a member has done here! :up:

Agreed 100%.

And from first indications it would seem that the link between enlargement pills and gains is, to say the least, worthy of much more investigation. What are the pills used (and what is in them)? Are there any other linking factors? We need to know.

As with all surveys, there are more questions unanswered than answered. But that is part of learning and progress.

Bravo I say.

:applause:


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Originally Posted by mbuc
Hobby, you’ve just written off the whole survey just like that?

I think you should be far more specific on which parts and in what ways the survey is flawed. Obviously you will have to see the full results on the site remek is preparing and explain in more detail your reservations.


1) Mostly, yes.
2) A new PE site?

Post the survey here - a list of the questions and possible answers - and I’ll go through each explaining the problems I noticed.

Thanks for your hard work remek :up:


Retired.

Nice job, Remek. You’ve given us something to argue about for a long time.

I took the survey but did not study it in detail. Regarding pills, masturbation, and other matters, it is important to distinguish causation from correlation.

For example, pills are correlated with more gains, but this may simply be because most guys use pills at the beginning or their PE careers, when their capacity for gains is greatest but they haven’t yet figured out that pills are junk. It is likely not the pills that cause the gains, but rather newbie status. I am not aware that the survey controls for the variable of newbie status.

Regarding masturbation, I think it is likely that guys who masturbate after their PE sessions may be cutting their sessions short, therefore not getting the benefit of one of your other factors—more time.

The survey is a good start, but each finding needs to be studied in detail before we can consider it a “conclusion.”


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan

Regarding masturbation, I think it is likely that guys who masturbate after their PE sessions may be cutting their sessions short, therefore not getting the benefit of one of your other factors—more time.

Nice work remek.

I have a theory about why ejaculation may cause a less than optimal result from PE. After ejaculation, my penis is completely spent. There is no longer any blood in-flow that maintains an erection, therefore it shrinks to it’s normal flaccid size. If I do not ejaculate, I have a sort of residual in-flow that may maintain a semi-erect state for several minutes or even as long as an hour or more depending upon the level of excitement.

Usually after ejaculating, I am done with PE and ready to get to work on something else, and my mind switches gears and goes on to other things. If I don’t ejaculate, my mind stays active in the thoughts of whatever brought me to an erection in the first place. I may stay in this fantasy mode for hours at a time, and may even develop another erection from it.

This is the same principle behind the technique known as edging. This technique is where you develop a much stronger orgasm by masturbating to the point just before ejaculation, then stop and cool down a bit, then return to masturbation until you reach that point again, repeat this cycle several times and then when you finally decide to ejaculate, your orgasm is more intense.

I believe that ejaculation is a henderance to PE gains, simply because it causes an abrupt stop to all erection activity.

This is just my opinion, but I would like to see more discussion about this.

IW8


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Originally Posted by i_want_8_inches
Nice work remek.

I have a theory about why ejaculation may cause a less than optimal result from PE. After ejaculation, my penis is completely spent. There is no longer any blood in-flow that maintains an erection, therefore it shrinks to it’s normal flaccid size. If I do not ejaculate, I have a sort of residual in-flow that may maintain a semi-erect state for several minutes or even as long as an hour or more depending upon the level of excitement.

Usually after ejaculating, I am done with PE and ready to get to work on something else, and my mind switches gears and goes on to other things. If I don’t ejaculate, my mind stays active in the thoughts of whatever brought me to an erection in the first place. I may stay in this fantasy mode for hours at a time, and may even develop another erection from it.

This is the same principle behind the technique known as edging. This technique is where you develop a much stronger orgasm by masturbating to the point just before ejaculation, then stop and cool down a bit, then return to masturbation until you reach that point again, repeat this cycle several times and then when you finally decide to ejaculate, your orgasm is more intense.

I believe that ejaculation is a henderance to PE gains, simply because it causes an abrupt stop to all erection activity.

This is just my opinion, but I would like to see more discussion about this.

IW8

Good call IW8…:thumbs:


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Also, PE pills are known to contain ingredients that can help with erections. This could allow those who consume them to maintain a stronger erection, for a longer period of time, and get a better workout. While I have not used any PE pills, I do know that Viagra can be very helpful with girth work.

I also think there may be something with the ejaculation issue. I usually ejaculate when I work out, but when I made some of my best gains, I avoided ejaculation after most workouts.

Excellent job remek.

I agree with Modesto about correlation and causation, but as remek said, the best way to receive this information is with an open-mind.

There are many people on this board who self-proclaim themselves urologists, anatomists and such just because they heard someone on this board telling something and rephrasing it. Sometimes it may make a lot of sense, but can be completely false. So anyway I’m just saying that this survey seems more consistent than many theories we hear on this board…not that I’m gonna go buy pills this afternoon though :p

I agree with John7Grains’s point that straightforward empirical research is needed to adjudicate among competing theoretical perspectives on PE. On these boards there has been a lot of brilliant conjecture about various PE techniques’ and routines’ efficacy — informed largely by anatomical and engineering considerations — but ultimately we still have little to no idea about the real-world validity of most PE-related ideas.

Short of true experiments, carefully designed surveys are the best way to glean data on PE, as difficult as it may be to draw causal inferences from them (though multiple regression should help in this respect). I don’t know much about Remek’s survey, as I somehow missed it ( :shrug: ), but I applaud him for taking a first step toward undergirding our theories with empirical evidence. :nodding:

My problem with Penis pills wasn’t whether they “helped” or not, it was whether it was worth paying out your ass for a small increase in gains.

I always have said not to masturbate directly after working out. The masturbation + ejaculation directly doesn’t affect gains, but when done after a workout, it tends to shrivel up, and the penis won’t heal in the extended state. The difference is almost non-existent but when done numerous times directly after working out, it might add up to something. Any other time it is OK to ejac IMO.

Remek,

I think you did an oustanding job, and have made a great contribution to this site. Although some of the info isn’t 100% correct (as you stated) I think we can walk away with a lot more knowledge of how PE works.

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