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Knowing whether you are limited by Dorsal Thickening/Septum

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Seriously, I have no idea that I’m avoiding any point.
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The point is even if your tunica would be stretchable in a monotonous way at any point of it - no tougher sections anywhere - neverthless you would feel a supposed ‘limiting factor’, because when your penis is stretched and flattened you’ll feel the TA as a cord, with the tension placed mostly on a given sub-section depending on how you grab and pull your penis; so this subsection could be supposed to be a ‘limiting factor’ when it’s not the case - try doing this ‘mental thought’ and tell me if you get a different conclusion.

(Note: ‘old fox’ means ‘astute guy’ in many countries, hope it wasn’t understood as something else).

I have been palpating my penis for a bit to study this “chord” more, and as well, I read this thread through. I have some comments.

I don’t think all of the people who noted the chord’s existence on this thread have the same issue that we are discussing. IA, MM, etc. have described the same situation I have. I think the clear components of this are:

When stretched, the CC and CS remain malleable and not fully taut. The penis, as a whole, is unusually girthy, but there is something stopping the CC and CS structures from being stretched enough to become taut. While stretched, palpate the tunica to see if any structure is properly taut. Here you will feel a thick (0.5 inch width on the top, in my case) chord that is completely taut - cannot be stretched further, while the rest of the tunica is not fully stretched. This chord (in my case, and I think all others) lies at the center of the top of the penis.

After palpating quite a bit, I’ve come to no certain conclusions. This steel chord seems anchored deeply at the top of the penis to the absolute base (past the fat pad). It seems to be 0.5 inches in width, if I palpate enough the chord becomes visible as the CC’s are posed downwards (I can literally pull the penis by the chord to see this).

I think marinera is on to something about the development of this through PE. Prior to PE, I never noticed this chord. When I just began PE, in my days of wearing an ADS, I remember that my stretched flaccid penis was long and THIN, with no clear individual limiting structure. Obviously there are two ways this could happen. Namely, either PE caused this chord to thicken and get stronger, or the chord did not change but the CC/CS did gain length while this chord did not, or did at a much less rapid pace and so now we suddenly notice it.

During my last year of clamping, I slowly noticed that my stretched length was unusually girthy. Now, I realize why, as I am no longer performing PE or using Cialis…the girthiness is purely due to this chord.

I presume if I cut this cord my BPSFL would rise by at least 0.25 of an inch.

Nicely said, LongVehicle.

I think we can start to move away from the idea that the tunica is a uniform structure that we PE’ers can attack as a whole. This is a little redundant, but to summarize …

The outer, longitudinal layer of the tunica appears to consist of 3 thick regions, 2 thin regions, and 1 region where there are essentially no fibers at all. See my earlier post.

The thick regions are 2 tendon-like extensions of the bulbo-cavernosus muscles, called the “ventral thickenings” and residing at about the 5 o’clock and 7 o’clock positions, and a tendon-like extension of the 2 ischiocavernosus muscles, called the “dorsal thickening” and residing at the 11-1 o’clock position. Fibers are more sparse in the 1-5 o’clock and 7-11 o’clock regions, and are virtually non-existent in the 5-7 o’clock regions, where the CCs and CS meet.

It would appear that lengthening the tunica essentially comes down to lengthening the two ventral thickenings and the dorsal thickening. For many of us, it seems to come down just to lengthening the dorsal thickening. Any ideas for how this should be done?


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Originally Posted by marinera
The point is even if your tunica would be stretchable in a monotonous way at any point of it - no tougher sections anywhere - neverthless you would feel a supposed ‘limiting factor’, because when your penis is stretched and flattened you’ll feel the TA as a cord, with the tension placed mostly on a given sub-section depending on how you grab and pull your penis; so this subsection could be supposed to be a ‘limiting factor’ when it’s not the case - try doing this ‘mental thought’ and tell me if you get a different conclusion.

(Note: ‘old fox’ means ‘astute guy’ in many countries, hope it wasn’t understood as something else).

That makes sense. For me, and evidently a lot of other guys, too, the only sub-section that ever feels taut is our DTs, regardless of which way we pull our peckers.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I think we can start to move away from the idea that the tunica is a uniform structure that we PE’ers can attack as a whole. This is a little redundant, but to summarize …

I agree, but not only for length work. In terms of girth work, I have noticed the same need in my personal training, particularly with regard to the CS.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Any ideas for how this should be done?

That’s what I’m most interested in.

So far, I think the only recommendations have been with regards to fulcrum stretching or hanging, but this just seems to be about increasing stress on the top side of the penis in general. Have people, aside from the OP, had much luck with this?

I really need a solution, as I’m sure both MM and IA do. This damned chord is the only thing stopping me from achieving a greater length.

Hmmm, I thought I had this cord but 0.5 inches seems alot thicker than mine, theres definitly something there but its barely a few millimeters across. Tweaking, I used to own an IV lamp but it was hassle and didn’t feel like it was really doing anything so I gave it up, but I think I am going to buy another one if this is the best way to hit this cord- I wouldn’t be able to use it during pumping sessions though would I? I guess I’d just try and warm up with that instead of a rice sock?


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I’m of the opinion that IR heat with a stretching technique like hanging or fulcrum stretching/hanging is the ONLY way to successfully target this cord, which is a length gaining limiter. So no I don’t think pumping will get you results.

It would be difficult to use while pumping, just do an extended warm up, more of a heat up really, I try to get it as hot as possible without burning myself, while its stretched out before hanging and allowing it to cool. The molecular rearrangement that can result in elongation, according to some studies, occurs during the cooling period while the tissue is extended.

I don’t think my cord is half an inch wide either. Maybe .2” at the most.

This may seem a little far-fetched, but consider that the filaments of the DT originate in the ischiocavernosus (IC) muscles. From what I can tell, the IC muscles are actually a mix of striated muscle fibers and collagen fibers. The muscles then insert, via tendon-like tissue, into the ischium (ischiopubic rami).

Even if it turns out the be very difficult to stretch the DT itself, it may be somewhat easier to stretch and elongate the IC muscles from which it originates. I’m thinking of a combination of fulcrum or A-stretches with aggressive kegels. Perhaps one could do kegels while stretching the penis—resistance kegels if you will. The idea would be to voluntarily flex the IC muscles under load, so they are induced to grow through normal muscle hypertrophy. As they grow, they may also elongate, and overall length gains may ensue.

And let’s not forget plain old lig stretching. As pointed out above, the medial fibers of the suspensory ligament merge with the DT. Stretching this part of the ligament thus stretches the DT. A divide-and-conquer approach can be used, where you stretch down and to the left, then switch over and go down and to the right.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 03-21-2010 at .

That doesn’t sound unreasonable to me MM, at least based on how it all feels for me down there. If it were the case however I’d be worried about pulling the IC muscle and hurting myself, which hasn’t happened. I do get a feeling of taughtness that goes well into inner penis though and seems to feel sore quite ‘deeply’ when I’ve done hanging.

I’ve a massive cord (as you can see the cs in my pics). Using ir-heat and fulcrum stretches really helps against the cord. My penis becomes much more easy to stretch and I can’t feel the cord when touching my penis. I do fulcrums after every stretch.

Last month I had great gains and I didn’t bother to do fulcrums. I really could feel the cord in every stretch.
Maybe we are contributing to much of our problems and lack of gains to the cord.


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Last edited by Gyrta : 03-21-2010 at .

Originally Posted by Gyrta
I’ve a massive cord (as you can see the cs in my pics).

Hey Gyrta, I think the “cord” we’re talking about is on the opposite side from what you’re referring to. The CS is on the ventral side of the penis. The dorsal thickening (cord, as used above) is on the dorsal side.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
That makes sense. For me, and evidently a lot of other guys, too, the only sub-section that ever feels taut is our DTs, regardless of which way we pull our peckers.


Even if you pull upward? Or to a side? Or hanging instead than pullin with your hand?

Anyway, I can’t see how your article (why there arent’ pics?) is supporting what you seay. It is speaking of normal structure of penis. DT is something that all people have. And 5 o’clock, 11 o’clock- it doesn’t make any difference. This all reminds me the Bib’ speech on LOT.

The OP of this thread, and the one who originated this (extenders and septum), they believe they are hardgainers because have this ‘cord’. Now, you say : “Well, it’s because we, unluckly, have the DT”.

Since DT is quite normal, most of people should be hard-gainers. So regular (length) gainers become, in your hypothesis, abnormal, because they don’t have DT: this seem a paradox.

Otherwise said: You are elucidating the structure of TA, but not giving an explanation of why those guys seems not to gain a millimeter in length. You gained 1”. You are cutting out all differences between you an them - the cord, the place where it is, how it feels, the curve - because, it sounds, you want to have this ‘issue’ and it has to be the DT. :shrug:

I know that you want to say : that this DT, normally harder than the resto fo TA, could be actually even harder in some people, but if it is so ‘not stretchable despite any efforts’, wouldn’t it means that there are plaques of abnormal tissue?

If those plaques are on the side, than you’ll have a curvature toward the side (if the rest of the penis is regularly conformed). If are in the middle, than you’ll have an upward curvature (if the rest of the penis is regularly conformed) and you’ll fell this ‘tough cord’.

Not trying to push my opinion really, just trying to explain what I mean. Maybe we are even speaking of the same thing, without understanding each other.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
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That’s what I’m most interested in.

So far, I think the only recommendations have been with regards to fulcrum stretching or hanging, but this just seems to be about increasing stress on the top side of the penis in general. Have people, aside from the OP, had much luck with this?
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Those are the only recommendations that you can get, other than using heat, if you do have the DT - that it is something that most of people have, it’s not a specific issue. Let’s say that what you have is a very thick tunica on the dorsal side. What does it changes? As long this section has his normal structure, AKA normal elasticity and ability to grows as reactions to stressors, it will not make that a big difference. You’ll just have to use more time and/or force, and you’ll have gains as well.

Speaking of a ‘limiting factor’, as it is my understanding and how in the starting thread people was speaking of this issue, wants to means that this ‘cord’ is inelastic, not deformable, despite any effort. It would be like a scar, as to speak. If one has this scar or plaque, pulling with much force or even ‘targeting’ it could cause an even greater thickening. The only way would be using very low force for long long time, or surgical removal, or just doing nothing hoping this cord will disappear spontaneously.

I think if one really is concerned that he has this problem, a specific exam would be a good idea.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Hey Gyrta, I think the “cord” we’re talking about is on the opposite side from what you’re referring to. The CS is on the ventral side of the penis. The dorsal thickening (cord, as used above) is on the dorsal side.

I’ve that cord inside the penis, in the dorsal area. Thought that having a thick cord was correlated to the cs.
Anyway, as I wrote above. I didn’t do fulcrums last month but had my greatest gains.
Saiyan is stated to not having a thick cord (according to the OP), it took him 2 years to gain 1”.

Not gaining anymore/hard length gains maybe is contributed to other reasons.


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Originally Posted by marinera
The only way would be using very low force for long long time…

I think marinera may be on to something with the plaque idea. I’m not sure what “plaque” is here, but the chord I have does not seem normal. It is HIGHLY resistant to stress…extremely tough.

For some reason, this makes me think that low force for long periods of time would be better than using high force that may just cause a strengthening of the chord.

Maybe what happened is that this chord, which is prevalent in all men, thickened due to stress with some unusual collagen deposits. This is what I feel from my self-examination…I am sure I did not have this feeling before my year of clamping, 100% sure that I did not have such a strong and precise limiting factor (although I do not remember the chord at all, so I can’t pinpoint if it thickened or not).

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