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Knowing whether you are limited by Dorsal Thickening/Septum

True! I was thinking a bit one-dimesionally, but that’s just because I’m yet to see someone reporting the cord who does not have an upward curve, pre-PE. I also remember reading a post by someone I cannot recall who said after gaining a bit in length he stopped gaining length and the degree of the curve merely increased.

Personally I can do strong erect bends merely by trying to straighten my penis, I don’t get anywhere near actually bending the opposite direction.

I’ve definitly got this cord and have never been able to make any permanent length gains- don’t have an upwards curve either, pre-pe or now. I remember distinctly its always been there though because when I used to stretch a lot in the beginning I could clearly see that this was holding my stretch back. I can stretch my piece out but there is still some girth so it doesnt go really thin and if I pull even harder I can feel the stretch the length of my penis along this cord. It feels like a cord but I think it is just a thickening on top as most of you have said. Everyone must have some form of it, I think it must give some kind of extra support when you become erect. At full erection if I kegel then my penis bobs up and down and I presume without the tauntness that the ‘cable’ makes this wouldn’t happen. Am I right in thinking everyone can do this “bobbing” thing? Its very frustrating though. I’m curious about whether people with this thickened cable managed to increase their BPFSL over time or just their BPEL. Im hoping heat is the key and am going to buy a heat pad for my pump because I feel a good stretch when pumping and maybe it will encourage it to give a little.


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01/02/2014 - NBPEL 16.5cm / BPEL 18.5cm / BPFSL 20.3cm / Girth12.5cm - 10 minute pump, 20 jelqs, 5 minute pump 20 jelqs ~2.5-3hg 1 on 2 off.

01/09/2014 - NBPEL 16.5cm / BPEL 19cm / BPFSL 20.5cm / Girth12.7cm / BPELIP 19.2cm

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I think everyone has a DT because it’s evidently a normal part of the tunica. Perhaps it’s not as distinct and “cord-like” in some guys as in others. Perhaps it becomes more cord-like over the course of ones PE career.

It is tempting to say that a thick DT should suggest an upward curve; however, I’m not sure that’s necessarily the case. The DT becomes especially prominent when pulling on the flaccid penis. Things change during erection, though. Inflation of the CCs may cause the DT to pull in a little and become more lax, since the inflated CCs may be shorter than their flaccid stretched length. An upward curve will not necessarily be evident.


If so the limiting factor would be the length of CC instead than DT/Septum, right? Also, your erection would be pretty soft or a downward curve should be noticeable.

I doubt inflated CC shorter than stretched TA is frequent, though. CC have a degree of elasticity way bigger than TA, by what I know.

Beenie pumping even under heat is unlikely to give you any length gains if you have the cord. I know a heating pad is convinient but I recommend you look into an IR lamp. They produce heat that has superior penetrative power which is required to target the cord.

Originally Posted by marinera
If so the limiting factor would be the length of CC instead than DT/Septum, right? Also, your erection would be pretty soft or a downward curve should be noticeable.

I doubt inflated CC shorter than stretched TA is frequent, though. CC have a degree of elasticity way bigger than TA, by what I know.

The DT/Septum is part of the tunica, which is the envelope around the CCs. My point is that, when the CCs inflate during erection, they pull in a little. This is one reason most guy’s BPEL is shorter than their BPFSL.

I’m really thinking of the tunica/DT/septum as the “skin” around the CCs. So the length of the CCs is for practical purposes the same as the length of the DT/septum. The difference I’m referring to is flaccid versus erect.

Whether the erection is soft depends on the pressure within the CCs. It won’t necessarily be soft if the DT/septum is longer than the erect length. If that were true, to 90+% of guys whose BPFSL is longer than their BPEL would have soft erections.

Regarding curves, the DT is certainly a contributor, but I don’t think it’s solely determinative of whether someone has a curve or not. The CCs have lots of internal structure. Although there’s a likelihood that short DTs and upward curves will go together, I don’t think it has to be that way.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
The DT/Septum is part of the tunica, which is the envelope around the CCs. My point is that, when the CCs inflate during erection, they pull in a little. This is one reason most guy’s BPEL is shorter than their BPFSL.
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The BPEL-BPFSL difference could be due to other factors, like elasticity of ligs (those are stretched when you measure the BPFSL, not stretched when measuring BPEL) and the shape of penis. Since penis is not perfectly cylindrical, when it is engorged it becomes shorter than the BPFSL - otherwise said, if you measure from the sides instead than from the top, you could get the same measure whit BPFSL and BPEL.

Anyway, the fact remains: if CC are shorter than tunica, the limiting factor are CC, not DT/Septum.

So, actually, it should work in the adverse way: if you have this cord, that is your ‘limiting factor’, than your BPEL should be (ceteris paribus) the same or even longer than your BPFSL. Your penis would also develop an upward curve.

This could be due to a fibrous plaque in your tunica, or an abnormal deposition of collagenous tissue along the intracorporal septum - this could explain why some seems to feel, and even see, a ‘cord or a tendon’.

If you have a fibrous plaque on the underside, you’ll develope a downward curve, if on a side, a side curve. Very similar to Peyronie’ syndrome. But look that having a plaque of fibrous tissue doesn’ automatically means that you have Peyronie’ syndrome - in this latter case, plaques seems to be different and also tends to ‘born’ in more than one places.

Originally Posted by marinera
So, actually, it should work in the adverse way: if you have this cord, that is your ‘limiting factor’, than your BPEL should be (ceteris paribus) the same or even longer than your BPFSL. Your penis would also develop an upward curve.

This could be due to a fibrous plaque in your tunica, or an abnormal deposition of collagenous tissue along the intracorporal septum - this could explain why some seems to feel, and even see, a ‘cord or a tendon’.

If you have a fibrous plaque on the underside, you’ll develope a downward curve, if on a side, a side curve. Very similar to Peyronie’ syndrome. But look that having a plaque of fibrous tissue doesn’ automatically means that you have Peyronie’ syndrome - in this latter case, plaques seems to be different and also tends to ‘born’ in more than one places.

“an abnormal deposition of collagenous tissue along the intracorporal septum” sounds feasible to me. However. I don’t think it really explains MM and others’ reports that only after gaining length did the ‘cord’ become apparent and a limiting factor. Unless I’m missing something.

Actually, Tweak, that hypothesis it is the only way I see to explain both MM report and the ‘cord’ feeling that he is denegating. He says that it could be felt as a cord, but it is not a cord. I think that it if is felt (and some say they can even see it) as a cord, than it is a cord or something very similar.

Why MM and somebody else noticed after gaining? Perhaps because PE stimulus caused this abnormal deposition to grow - doesn’t it makes sense? If you have a predisposition to an abnormal deposition of collagenous tissue in a part of your body, traumas there will be repaired with more collagenous deposition than in other places.

Ok I think understand what you’re saying. So in a pre-PE individual with the cord, is this additional collagen literally a part of the septum tissue? My level of understanding of collagen and its many forms/fuctions is nearing it’s limit here.

Originally Posted by Tweaking

Ok I think understand what you’re saying. So in a pre-PE individual with the cord, is this additional collagen literally a part of the septum tissue? My level of understanding of collagen and its many forms/fuctions is nearing it’s limit here.

The first pic attached is a detail of a pic I submitted previouly, the second shows the same fibrous plaque running along the shaft. Hope it makes things a bit more clear.

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Is “abnormal deposition of collagenous tissue along the intracorporal septum” the same as fibrous plaque?

If not, I still don’t understand whether the “abnormal deposition…” is intrinsically part of the septum or not.

If so, then I suppose that would infer that people with the cord have a layer of fibrous plaque running the length of the shaft dorsally to the septum. Is that correct?

‘Abnormal’ can means that shouldn’t be there (or at least not that much) and/or that it’s tougher. So yes, it’s the same than ‘fibrous plaque’ for our pourposes.

So, if you feel a cord at the centre of your penis, running from the base to the top, than I would think to abnormal deposition of collagenous tissue in the intracorporal septum, as shown in the figure previously uploaded.

Dorsal tunica is tougher than ventral tunica - nothing abnormal in that. Actually, most of penises have a slight upward curvature when at maximum erection : I can remember I had that when I was young. Becoming older, hardly you experience such hard erections, so this tends to disappear - that’s what happened to my penis. :)
PEing straigthened even more that curvature. So ‘dorsal thickening’ isn’t a ‘limiting factor’ for most of people.

Not denying that your dorsal tunica could be so tough that prevents PE gains. Look this for example:
“ULTRASTRUCTURE OF THE TUNICA ALBUGINEA IN CONGENITAL PENILE CURVATURE
We investigated the ultrastructure of the tunica albuginea in individuals with congenital penile curvature to explain the pathology of this disease.
Materials and Methods

Included in our study were 15 patients 17 to 24 years old with congenital penile curvature. Study material consisted of samples of the tunica albuginea excised from the greater curvature of the corpus cavernosum during surgical correction. Control samples were obtained from the lesser curvature on the side opposite the study material during the same operation. The 2 types of tissue were analyzed using transmitter electron microscopy.
Results

Ultrastructural examination of the control material revealed numerous collagen fibers that were homogenous in size and organization on cross section. Periodic striation was typical in collagen that produced fibers. In the study group the tunica albuginea structure had a chaotic pattern of collagen fibers that formed bundles with disrupted 3-dimensional organization. Diameter of the fibers differed greatly on cross section. We observed periodic widening and fragmentation of collagen fibers with the complete disappearance of striation and transformation into electron dense, fibrous granulated material. Disrupted fibroblasts without cell membrane and cellular organelles between collagen fibers were also visible. There was elastin accumulation without any morphological differences in the control and study groups.
Conclusions

Our results show that ultrastructural changes in the tunica albuginea may cause congenital penile curvature, possibly by altering mechanical properties.”

Abnormal thickening

The point is: it will not feel ‘as a cord or a tendon’ etc. etc.. It seems to me MM is referring to something else than you.

Resuming:
a)if you have ‘a limiting factor’, than it is probably due to abnormal collagenous tissue;

b)if you feel as a cord runnig along your whole shaft, in the middle, I think this collagenous tissue will be located in the intracorporal septum;

c)you can realistically think that you have ‘a limiting factor’ if there is an accentuated curve in your penis and/or if your BPEL > BPFSL.

Otherwise, we are putting in mind of all lazy PErs or hypocondriacs that they have ‘a limiting factor’. :)

Does this makes any sense?

The “cord” I feel is not over the septum; it’s to the sides of the septum. There is no bulge visible from the outside. I don’t think it’s anything like a “fibrous plaque,” either. I don’t think there’s anything abnormal or unhealthy about my DT. It feels just like a normal tendon or ligament, which is part of the normal structure of my tunica.

“Cord” may be a little misleading, in that it implies a cylindrical structure. My DT is more like a band of tissue (or rather a pair of bands, though it’s difficult to see them as separate). It has a length (essentially the length of my penis), a width of about 0.4 or 0.5” (combined), and a thickness of who-knows-what—I’d guesstimate 0.1 or 0.15”.


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Originally Posted by marinera
Otherwise, we are putting in mind of all lazy PErs or hypocondriacs that they have ‘a limiting factor’. :)

Does this makes any sense?

“Limiting factors” were made to be overcome. The first rule of warfare is “Know thy enemy.”


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