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Knowing whether you are limited by Dorsal Thickening/Septum

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I never said a thicker TA was “undeformable,” just that it is harder to deform than a thin one. ….


Yeah. You never said, that’s what I keep repeating: you are speaking of a different thing than people who report this issue. I quoted posts before, I’ll add a couple :

Originally Posted by meatplow
… When I hang BTC I get lig pull, but at all other angles this cord is definitely getting all the strain, and doesn’t feel like something that will break down and stretch. ….

I don’t feel limited so much by this cord when I stretch BTC.
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meatplow - Penis extenders & septum

Originally Posted by Foryourprivacy
Marinera: I stand by my theory that us short-septum (whatever) people have overly separated CCs - with tough, inflexible tunica tissue clumping above and between, like dried caulking. We’re all reporting the same symptoms, so clearly we have *some* problem you luckily don’t.
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I haven't gained length at all yet, just base girth and an upward curve - which would make sense if this upper-septum-clump is staying still while he rest of the tissue grows outward around it.


Foryourprivacy - Penis extenders & septum

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
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You said that the achilles tendon responds to low force and maintains an elongated state. Exactly how much does it elongate and how long is the elongation maintained?


These are two studies I reported on Achilles’ tendon stretching
Stretching: more is more?
dynamic sub-maximal loading and creeping plateau

probably there are others, if you are interestend on this subject I’ll check when have time.

@Marinara

Does this mean for us with a thick tough cord (me), that we need to target length other ways as this cord is very hard to stretch plastic-ly?

When I am super relaxed and stretch upward I really feel it all in the cord, and can feel it pull all the way down to the base of my anus. It feels as if it is attached there and that it is what is limiting my length.

I have been doing PE for over 2 years now and have barely gained any length. Girth is somewhat easy to gain if I don’t overtrain though (which is SUPEReasy for me).

I just wish we could find a way to work around this tough barrier and gain the length we all want!

It’s kind of weird. If I warm up I don’t have a cord and generally its not there. My dick is real stretchy I feel that my skin is limiting my stretch more than anything else.

But then sometimes I do have the cord. I think more when my dick is cold or sometimes an hour or two after a PE session.

Originally Posted by marinera
That every guy who have a ‘plaque’ have the Peyornie’ disease.

How exactly am I wrong?

From wikipedia: “Peyronie's Disease (also known as “Induratio penis plastica”[1]) and more recently (CITA) Chronic Inflammation of Tunica Albuginea, is a connective tissue disorder involving the growth of fibrous plaques[2] in the soft tissue of the penis affecting as many as 1-4% of men. “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie%27s_disease


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 03-22-2010 at .

Originally Posted by marinera
Yeah. You never said, that’s what I keep repeating: you are speaking of a different thing than people who report this issue. I quoted posts before, I’ll add a couple :

meatplow - Penis extenders & septum

Foryourprivacy - Penis extenders & septum

Both of these posts are from another thread that has not been part of this discussion. Why would you assume I had read them? No wonder I’ve had no idea what you’ve been talking about.

I also disagree that those posts are referring to something different from what I’m talking about. Time and again I see guys on this forum misunderstanding their own anatomy or using terms that are only sort-of correct.

Take the guy who thinks his CCs are separated near the base and he has this tough tissue like “caulking” between them. I seriously question whether his description is accurate. I’d want to see a picture, because what he’s describing is unlike any penile anatomy I’ve ever seen. Also, I can’t see any evidence that he’s talking about fibrous plaques. The simplest explanation is that he’s misunderstanding his own anatomy and simply reporting what most of us are talking about here—He has a tough dorsal thickening.

Originally Posted by marinera
These are two studies I reported on Achilles’ tendon stretching
Stretching: more is more?
dynamic sub-maximal loading and creeping plateau

Okay. I realize that tendons to elongate when subjected to tension. But the elongation is typically short-term visco-elastic creep, which is a temporary condition. As the studies you linked to say, “tendons obviously restore rest length after some finite time in-vivo.” Viscoelastic creep is different from permanent lengthening.

As reported by those studies, the elongation is very slight (millimeters with large margins of error) compared to the length of the tendon (several inches). Also, the force required to achieve that stretch was high, with body weight being used to stretch the tendon.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
How exactly am I wrong?

From wikipedia: “Peyronie's Disease (also known as “Induratio penis plastica”[1]) and more recently (CITA) Chronic Inflammation of Tunica Albuginea, is a connective tissue disorder involving the growth of fibrous plaques[2] in the soft tissue of the penis affecting as many as 1-4% of men. “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie%27s_disease


When severe trauma to TA occurs, there is scar production, so at some time while the connective tissue is healing you can feel this scar tissue or plaque. But it is not permanent. A Peyronie’ disease plaque becomes permanent because there is a wound healing disorder, that’s why is more recently called CITA. It also causes painful erections. Fibrous plaques CITA are also more resistent to chemical agents and mechanical stress than normal, temporary scar tissue plaques.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Both of these posts are from another thread that has not been part of this discussion. Why would you assume I had read them? No wonder I’ve had no idea what you’ve been talking about.
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Because the title of this thread, because both the OP and you posted there, because this thread is born from that thread, because most of people who are reading this thread are thinking those are about the same subject.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan

I also disagree that those posts are referring to something different from what I’m talking about.
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Q.E.D.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
…..Time and again I see guys on this forum misunderstanding their own anatomy or using terms that are only sort-of correct.

Take the guy who thinks his CCs are separated near the base and he has this tough tissue like “caulking” between them. I seriously question whether his description is accurate. I’d want to see a picture, because what he’s describing is unlike any penile anatomy I’ve ever seen. Also, I can’t see any evidence that he’s talking about fibrous plaques. The simplest explanation is that he’s misunderstanding his own anatomy and simply reporting what most of us are talking about here—He has a tough dorsal thickening.
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I would also see a pic of what you are speaking.

They are not understanding their own anatomy? They are trying to explain a thing they have and other people doesn’t have, that’s why it is hard to understand them.

The description could be not that accurate, but assuming they are completely wrong when describing their penis is a big jump. It sounds pretty arrogant also.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
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Okay. I realize that tendons to elongate when subjected to tension. But the elongation is typically short-term visco-elastic creep, which is a temporary condition. As the studies you linked to say, “tendons obviously restore rest length after some finite time in-vivo.” Viscoelastic creep is different from permanent lengthening.

As reported by those studies, the elongation is very slight (millimeters with large margins of error) compared to the length of the tendon (several inches). Also, the force required to achieve that stretch was high, with body weight being used to stretch the tendon.


The point is : thick tendons do stretch like thin tendons, with the appropriate time and force.
Tendon elongation is explained in that (very long) thread, as well in other threads. Are you denegating that tendons can elongate? Tendons are elastic, the ‘cord’ those guy feel is not elastic. It doesn’t elongate, not even slightly, with a stretching session.

Originally Posted by budz
@Marinara

Does this mean for us with a thick tough cord (me), that we need to target length other ways as this cord is very hard to stretch plastic-ly?

I just wish we could find a way to work around this tough barrier and gain the length we all want!


Well, the first job would be understanding if you really have this issue. I suppose if you were consisent with your length routine, trying different time x force combinations (for example, manual stretching then hanging then ADS etc.) without any length gains, and also you can feel such a cord, than chances are that you have it.

As said, I can’t see any other way to overcome the issue than using very low tensions for long times and heat. The good thing is that those who have this issue seems to gain girth easily - it makes sense- , and we know girth is more important than length.

Another thig that should to be expected is that a curve should develop or become more pronounced as long one continue PEing, because the underside section of TA and CC tends to grow where the upperside, where there is the ‘cord’ doesn’t grow.

Originally Posted by marinera
Because the title of this thread, because both the OP and you posted there, because this thread is born from that thread, because most of people who are reading this thread are thinking those are about the same subject.

But you’re having this discussion with me and you didn’t do me the courtesy of making your points clear.

Originally Posted by marinera
Q.E.D.

Whatever.

Originally Posted by marinera
They are not understanding their own anatomy? They are trying to explain a thing they have and other people doesn’t have, that’s why it is hard to understand them.

The description could be not that accurate, but assuming they are completely wrong when describing their penis is a big jump. It sounds pretty arrogant also.

My college roommate had a 150 IQ and he though he had a bone that went into his penis when he got an erection. I’ve been a mod here for nearly 6 years and my focus has been understanding penile anatomy. Not that I’m a guru or anything, but I don’t think it’s arrogant of me to push back on some of people’s reports when they clearly go against what I think in my experience is normal.

From my point of view, your responses have been vague and argumentative. You don’t give clear answers, you don’t concede when facts are presented that clearly refute your points, and you continue to argue over things after it appears they’ve been settled. It seems that you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

Originally Posted by marinera
The point is : thick tendons do stretch like thin tendons, with the appropriate time and force.
Tendon elongation is explained in that (very long) thread, as well in other threads. Are you denegating that tendons can elongate? Tendons are elastic, the ‘cord’ those guy feel is not elastic. It doesn’t elongate, not even slightly, with a stretching session.


Of course tendons elongate. But would you really like to swap your DT for one as thick as an achilles tendon? I think your PE venture would get a whole lot more difficult.

Also, how do you know that the “cord” doesn’t elongate even slightly? Do you really think that guys can tell if their DTs stretch a couple of millimeters? Penises cannot be measured with that level of precision.


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It collapses in on itself. Collagen has a normally wavy pattern and is interwoven with elastin. The waves all straighten out and align in parallel when the tissue is stretched.


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And that’s also a good way to distinguish a fibrous plaque from a normal, healthy DT. A fibrous plaque won’t change between flaccid and erect states, but a normal, healthy tunica will.

I’ve already gotten one PM from a guy with a perfectly normal looking penis who was worried he might have Peyronie’s after reading some posts above. Unless you have a hard mass in your tunica that persists after your erection dissipates, you probably don’t have Peyronie’s. Also, remember that Peyronies usually occurs after an injury. If there’s no injury, no hard mass, and no curve that didn’t used to be there, you probably don’t have Peyronies.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
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From my point of view, your responses have been vague and argumentative. You don’t give clear answers, you don’t concede when facts are presented that clearly refute your points, and you continue to argue over things after it appears they’ve been settled. It seems that you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
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To which questions I did give ‘vague and argumentative answers’?

Which facts are you speaking of that refute my points?

I think you are arguing against what these guys are reporting, that is probably the only fact here, and keep saying they are wrong because their penis has to be like your penis.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
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Of course tendons elongate. But would you really like to swap your DT for one as thick as an achilles tendon? I think your PE venture would get a whole lot more difficult.

Also, how do you know that the “cord” doesn’t elongate even slightly? Do you really think that guys can tell if their DTs stretch a couple of millimeters? Penises cannot be measured with that level of precision.


Can you feel your Achilles’ tendon when it elongates? And, actually, you are supposing that they have an Achilles’ tendon in their penis. An Achilles’ tendon has, on average, 67 mm^2 cross section, if my memory serves. If you had that in your penis, sure you could see.

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