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Importance of rest days

Some people believe that if they cross their eyes too much they’ll stay that way, the earth is flat, and if they pull on their dick everyday it’ll shrivel up and fall off. You could fly them around the world, with your eyes crossed, yanking on your dick the entire time, and you still couldn’t change their mind.

Give it a few days and this thread will be buried on another page. Then, someone will be sitting around having a good time yanking on their dick and wondering “This is really cool. Why can’t I yank on my dick every day?” He’ll start yet another thread and we’ll be down this road again.


Then (4.5 nbpel x 4.75 mseg)

Now (5.625 nbpel, x 5.25 mseg)

So is this about hanging or jelqing.

It seems based on members stories/results it’s ok/best to hang every day but not jelq every day? Correct?

Hanging and stretch every day. Jelqing and clamping my need to take a day off here and there just to prevent injury from all the high pressure or force that comes with jelqing and clamping you don’t want to blow a vein out by to much pressure over and over again, but again it’s not for the purpose of growth.


Current stats march 2008= Nbel 6.75 Bpel 7.5 Eg 5.5

Goal by the end of next year Nbel 8.5 Eg 6.5

Originally Posted by thinktank
The author of the info on rest days in my last post is fresh from BIB/BIGGER. He is the expert in these matters.

Really? What are his certifications?

Well: lets suppose that Bib his the biggest authority in the world about PE; should this means that anything he says is right?

I posted my references, and I can add something more, if you like - you, defenders of the opposite school-of-thinking, never linked any reference.

I said which empirical proofs disprove that theory, and I can add more on that, if you like.

What are you answering? Bib/DLD said that, so it MUST be tru, even if is illogic.

Irrational faith can’t be beated by rational arguments, that’s the point.

I’ve done my job, that is : posting informative things, not changing mind of people.

Originally Posted by Dick Builder

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Good luck Diesel. I’m out of here.

Originally Posted by Dick Builder
Some people believe that if they cross their eyes too much they’ll stay that way, the earth is flat, and if they pull on their dick everyday it’ll shrivel up and fall off. You could fly them around the world, with your eyes crossed, yanking on your dick the entire time, and you still couldn’t change their mind.

Give it a few days and this thread will be buried on another page. Then, someone will be sitting around having a good time yanking on their dick and wondering “This is really cool. Why can’t I yank on my dick every day?” He’ll start yet another thread and we’ll be down this road again.

Well, some guys change ideas very quickly :) .

I have to say, Dick Builder, that you are the living-proof that Bib’ theory is really effective: 1 inch length-gains is well worth the price of hanging all day “…over a decade”, 7/7. Added that you said that you gained a little from the newbie routine, it’s about 1/2” gains in about ten years. Impressive!!


Last edited by marinera : 05-19-2008 at .

Originally Posted by lostracco
I think if we all keep trying to convince one person whose mind is made up, we’ll talk until we’re blue in the face.

Well, I’ m not a native English speaker, so please explain me: is that an insult?

Originally Posted by lostracco

You can scream it from a thousand rooftops but it’ll fall on deaf ears unless it’s convenient to hear it. Or to save face.

I know what my routine’s going to be.

~L

Yu’re right here, you guys are just screaming, not doing a civil and rational debate. Reflect on that.

I will jump in here late. I think the discussion is interesting and I appreciate the thoughtful answers. There is obviously some differences of opinion here, but that is a good thing, right?

Some things to ponder:
1. If you hang 2 hours per day, every single day, you are still getting 22 hours of rest, or over 90% of your total day is rest. I suppose the question is really whether or not that is enough rest, not if you need rest?
2. If you wear an ADS (low force elongation) for those 22 hours, is that rest?
3. How does the penis actually become longer? There seems to be two models discussed here (and elsewhere), but I’m not sure the difference has been clearly articulated yet:
A. Growth through the theory of “healing of microtears”. This presumes that you create small openings in your collagenous matrix of the tunica, and fibroblasts come in like little caulk guns, and fill those cracks with new collagen.

B. Growth through remodeling of the existing matrix. In this model (described in the reference by marinera), keeping the tunica in an elongated state, rearranges the collagen. Over time, the collagen molecules move around, and orient themselves to minimize tension (so that the formerly high tension position is now the normal or relaxed position). I picture this similar to blowing up a balloon for the first time. After you blow it up, and then deflate it, the deflated ballon is permanently bigger than it was originally). rubber is similar in that is is a big mess of spagetti like macromolecules all tangled up and cross linked. You inflate the balloon which breaks some cross links and also causes some moving around of the spagetti.

Both those theories are reasonable and I suspect both are happening to some extent, although we must remember that they are just theories, and there has never been a study done on exercise induced penis growth and how it happened.

I posted theories A and B because it seems to me that theory B would require no rest. Theory A may require rest for proper growth of new collagen, but I’m not sure about this.

4. The theories above only refer to growth mechanisms and not to the need for rest to avoid injury. If you hurt yourself, you can’t PE and can’t grow. If hanging 24 hours per day could theoretically cause the most growth, in reality it wouldn’t as your dick would fall off from ischemia or other horrible things.


Horny Bastard

Well putted, mravg, you summarized well what I where suggesting : the A) approach is, basing on the reference I posted, the high-tension approach. The B) model, is the low-tension approach.

Wearing an extender everyday can be accomplished; of course, if done 22-h/day, the stress will be too high even with a low tension.

I remember, also, having read (should find the link) that, in a clinical study, the man who had the biggest growth was the one that was wearing the device 6/7, where others subjects where wearing the device 7/7. This should say us two things:

1) even a very little stress can become counter-productive is no rest is allowed.
2) you are not losting length when resting.

Of course, that should be confirmed with many more studies of the same nature - 1 study doesn’t suffit.

The hig-stress level approach, as referenced, is responsible to make the body storing this information : “These fibers needs to grow longer, or they will be teared”. So, the body start the process of growing longer fibers.
Is this true? I think yes, and this is the “proof” : how gains trought stretching are possible?

Many had big gains with simple manual stretches - no extenders, no weigths, no ADS. I can go further: the only 2+ inches demonstrated gainers were simple manual stretchs PEers - only stretches, or in prevalence stretches.

Also, think about clamping.

So, the “you have to extend the fibers or they will re-grow shorter” thesis can’t be true. The body remember this information :”I have to make this thing longer”.


Last edited by marinera : 05-19-2008 at . Reason: speech mystakes

On the other hand, hitting again the same tissue when it is teared (the B) model) with high force, what can cause?
Exactly what you want to avoid: that the body can’t start the adaptation process, and, in the “imminence of attack”, to figure it out, start producing substances that makes the tissue harder, to protect it, instead that making it longer. The thougthness of penile tissue is the typical reponse to overwork, or am I wrong? The only way to think this is not happening, is to suppose that few hours are needed to make the tissue longer.

But again: never heard of guys that had gains after some days of rest ? This is pretty the norm, by what I know. So, the permanent elongation process, as the adaptation to high-tension stress, need more time than “a few hours”, differently by what Bib and others are supposing.

As said, if one hangs with minimal weigths, for many hours daily, then he his using weigths as they were an extender - there isn’t a danger in not taking rest-days.

So : if you are doing hard work, rest would be safer and maybe not less effective.

Finally, if one is really a veteran of PE, he could know by experience what is the best volume x day approach he can afford without the need of rest. Given that : gains = tension x time (if no injury), such an experienced PEers could go for the “No rest-days” way, taking days off when he knows (basing on feeling, records extc.) they are needed.

But it’s not the way to go for newbies or intermediates PEers.

Your saying 22-h/day or near all day model for ADS or extenders is not really feasable. Others have said this, that after being held extended for so long, it likes to turtle back for far too long.

What is the model you propose? 1hr/4hr/8hr/12hr/16/hr a day?

Some of us were looking at it from a different light, in that some of the extenders were able to put as much tension
Into your unit as a moderate hanging session. Most of us would not want to hang 20LB, but with some of the extenders you can go up to nearly 15LB.

The different light I mentioned was using a heavy extender or weight session for 30 min to 1hr, to “open” the tissues, followed by immediately sliding into a low tension ADS ( 1-2lb ) for 2-4 hrs after the session.

In my minds eye, I’m seeing a 1 hr hang/heavy extender followed by 4hr ADS. Possibly 2 sessions a day, seperated by minimum of 4 hrs. For 10-12 hrs on some days, and 2-5 hrs on others.

I’m also a fan of course in implementing a non-PE a day or two into the week.

I’m a fan of moderate jelq/pump after ADS/heavy extender use, but not before.

Marinera, I wanted to get high level description on how you saw extender/ADS/weights used, and the 6/7 vs 7/7 model.

Originally Posted by optimalss
Your saying 22-h/day or near all day model for ADS or extenders is not really feasable. Others have said this, that after being held extended for so long, it likes to turtle back for far too long.

What is the model you propose? 1hr/4hr/8hr/12hr/16/hr a day?

Well, generally speaking gains = time x tension, as I said, or gains = time x length (where length means “elongated state”).
I think this is true if you use a very low tension. With this approach, you should maximize time, so you have to use the device for up to 12h/day. Wearing a device 12 h /day is a challenge; I think near impossible if you are applying more than 2-4 lbs.

More then 12 h/day is bad, to me, something not physiologic: your penis has to stay in a “freedom state”, being able to piss, getting occasional erections etc. etc.. 12 h/day is also the time advised by the best reviewed commercial extenders.
Let’s look at a “succes story”, here:

My gains (start 1-1-2007)

Originally Posted by optimalss
Some of us were looking at it from a different light, in that some of the extenders were able to put as much tension Into your unit as a moderate hanging session. Most of us would not want to hang 20LB, but with some of the extenders you can go up to nearly 15LB.

The different light I mentioned was using a heavy extender or weight session for 30 min to 1hr, to “open” the tissues, followed by immediately sliding into a low tension ADS ( 1-2lb ) for 2-4 hrs after the session.

In my minds eye, I’m seeing a 1 hr hang/heavy extender followed by 4hr ADS. Possibly 2 sessions a day, seperated by minimum of 4 hrs. For 10-12 hrs on some days, and 2-5 hrs on others.

I’m also a fan of course in implementing a non-PE a day or two into the week.

I’m a fan of moderate jelq/pump after ADS/heavy extender use, but not before.

Well, the basic point, as mravg suggested, is not “hanging vs. other kind of PE”, but :

how much force?
how much time?
how much recover is needed?

1-2 lbs are “low tension”, for most of PEers.
I think 20 lbs are in the “high tension” range.

How about 15 lbs? I think this is high tension. Looking at the reference I posted before, a tension that cause post-workout retraction is high. You can see for yourself when retraction start. But the work you are mentioning seems good to me. You’re using 1 hours of high tension, then using some hour of low tension.

The volume is raised and both processes, remodeling (low-stress) and repairing (high stress) can go hand in hand. mravg posted the same idea, seems to me, and ModestoMan also suggested time ago a similar thing. Many others maybe suggested the same, my regret if I’m not mentioning here.

But I think that if you are hoping that this kind of principle is working : “fibers are healing in an extended state”, then this is not happening - penis is not a bone, the model is bad. More simply, you’re augmenting total work in a safe way. It’s also wise add at least 1 day off per week, given that you are using high forces.

Originally Posted by optimalss

Marinera, I wanted to get high level description on how you saw extender/ADS/weights used, and the 6/7 vs 7/7 model.

Sorry, I can’t get that. Are you asking where I’ve seen the study about the extenders users? I have to find it; I don’t remember if it was a study regarding the penimaster, the jess-extender or some other similar device. I can remember that was a low-force extender (less than 2 kg on max tension). If I’ll find, I’ll post. You could do a Google-search as well.

Hope it helps :) .

I was thinking about making a new thread on the subject of rest days, but instead I decided to post it here and contribute to the discussion.

I remember seeing other members who made phenomenal gains in a relatively short period of time (one of the members here gained 2” in six months, which is double the speed of my gains). But, they didn’t take rest days. I thought that not taking rest days was the reason why they gained so quickly; thus, I decided to not take any rest days on my PE journey.

Well, it’s been 6 months and I’ve gained nearly 1”. Unfortunately, I was hoping I’d gain more.

I don’t think that gaining 1” in six months was due to my not taking rest days. Maybe I simply have a good routine; maybe my unit is naturally able to gain well - I don’t know. The reason why I don’t think my gains had anything to do with not taking rest days is because of something I noticed recently…

I went on a recovery/de-con break. The break lasted for like a week and a half. Towards the end of the break, my penis was able to maintain very good erections, plus the length went up to 6.7”. But when I resumed my regular PE routine, which is 8-12 hours a day of wearing an ADS, 30 minutes of clamping throughout the day and 15 minutes of jelqing, my penis seemed very tired, even during the proceeding day when I had plenty of sleep. In fact, my BPEL went down a little due to the tiredness (this has happened before in the past, but my unit recovers to its true length after sufficient rest).

I think that over-working my penis is hampering its ability heal, and thus gain. Perhaps if I did my typical PE routine for 2 days, then took a 1 day break, I wouldn’t have an over-working problem, thus, I could gain faster? Or, maybe having a less intense PE routine without rest days would be effective? I’m not sure, but I’ll try expirimenting with both.

Yes,

It reinforces whats been said all along.

ADS/Extender at low tension at 8-12 hrs a day for period of time with maybe one day off during the week. Most incorporated
Some other sort of PE ( hanging, heavy ADS, etc ) and followed it with the low tension ADS/extender.

The magic number is around 8-12 hrs, no more than 12. Low tension, follows the heavy work.

Thank for your input, AM1221, I think it’s really fitting here.

Could you say who’s the phenomenal gainer you were imitating?

Oh, I was forgetting :1” in six months is phenomenal gain. You should be happy anyway, AM :) .

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