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Clamping: Advanced Empirical Discussion

Originally Posted by Pillars
So what you are saying, clamping might be a form of self induced priapism?

Taken from pegym:

It has long been thought so. BG believes so.

Long: I finally got to look at the last two PMs; sorry I’m lagging way behind. You’re right. This thread is a good idea. We need a hardcore advanced Clamping thread. The old one is getting so long, too much work to go through it. I had planed an Advanced Girth thread, because I feel Clamping and Pumping go hand and hand, but we’ll keep this just Clamping if you like.

I’m an old guy, maybe not as old as T, :leftie: But I’m also more into the “meat and potatoes, than the science, however, I respect what you are trying to do here, but for me, I go more by feel, than an accurate regimented routine. I think going by the way your dick looks and feels is a better indicator than the clock, or how many reps you do a day. Of course it never hurts to keep accurate records, I just don’t do it anymore.

SPOTS

Spots are not a problem, or never have been for me. Not even color. At the end of an all day Clamp-a-thon, my dick is a deep plumb color, which quickly massages away to the usual dark mocha. Numbness and loss of sensation, however, is a problem. If you’ve been clamping all day, as I often do, pop the clamp off. Massage in fresh blood. If you can’t get your dick hard without the clamp, you’re done. In fact you are a little overdone.

REPS
I’ve never agreed on the long sessions. Do as many reps as you can until your dick gets numb, but ten minutes tops. Only use ONE clamp, deep into the base over enough neoprene to get a full engorgement with two or three clicks. For you, and guys like you, with really long, and not so fat dicks, this will be a lot of wrap. The piece I use is only 7”X 1”. You will probably need twice that.

WRAP Use neoprene, nothing else for wrap. You mention in the PM the wrap Bib sends with his hanger. If I recall that wrap was the Theraband rubbery stuff. That’s good for hanging, terrible wrap for clamping. Even the Ace bandage is bad because the textured crinkles under the pressure of a clamp will irritate shaft skin. The neoprene is perfect. Wetsuit material. Keeps heat in, stretchy and soft on the inside, rubbery on the outside for grip. Works well in the hot tub. The mouse pads are usually too thick and hard to work with. The {wrist, elbow, leg wraps} kind of stuff works better. Just cut the neoprene into narrow strips. Leave just a tiny bit of Velcro, cut it down so the teeth never touch skin, and that is the best wrap.

The Aristocrat thread was trouble from the start. I was there the day he posted it, I think I responded on the first page. I didn’t know he was scamming for a pay site, but it doesn’t surprise me. The guy came in with a big dick to start with, he mislead a lot of people with an unrealistic Clamping goals that were not only dangerous, but also unproductive. You hit a point of diminishing returns once your dick is all numb, and black. However, even though his methods were bad PE in my opinion, I honestly feel you can push clamping to the limits, without hurting yourself. My dick was pretty beaten up most of the time back then, but I seem to have survived all the abuse without any noticeable permanent damage. (Knock on wood.)

However, some one posted above calling clamping “self induced priapism” Ironically, that is exactly the term my doctor uses. She still warns against using cable clamps for PE as well as clamp style hangers, but admits that these routines have greatly increased my girth over the years.


2003: 6X5 2010: 7X7

No Nukes

Originally Posted by sparkyx
When you quote BG and his gains and procedures its CRITICAL to realize that BG himself admits to damaging his unit more than he should have, and now denounces that approach.

Indeed. I only quote him as to his results and methods - this is after all an empirical discussion and we don’t have the resources or time to run our own tests, so absolutely any trustworthy results can help, you know?

T’s right. I always tell PMers do as I say now, not as I do, or did. You really don’t have to injure yourself to gain.

I see we were posting at the same time. Sparky also makes a good point. I have certainly abused the old wang over the years, with both PE and rough sex. I’ve sustained a lot of injuries, that probably could have been avoided if I’d been more careful. Nature has a way of making body parts that will endure a lot of abuse, tough. Dicks are very resilient, but not indestructible. My dick always bounced back well. Even now, at my age, 56, it still works well. However, I seriously believe the heavy girth work put an early end to length gains. It would take a tow truck to stretch my tunica now. This is why I always say work length first.


2003: 6X5 2010: 7X7

No Nukes

BG, I’m finishing up a bit of work, I’ll reply in a little while.

Originally Posted by Big Girtha
Long: I finally got to look at the last two PMs; sorry I’m lagging way behind. You’re right. This thread is a good idea. We need a hardcore advanced Clamping thread. The old one is getting so long, too much work to go through it. I had planed an Advanced Girth thread, because I feel Clamping and Pumping go hand and hand, but we’ll keep this just Clamping if you like.

I’m an old guy, maybe not as old as T, :leftie: But I’m also more into the “meat and potatoes, than the science, however, I respect what you are trying to do here, but for me, I go more by feel, than an accurate regimented routine. I think going by the way your dick looks and feels is a better indicator than the clock, or how many reps you do a day. Of course it never hurts to keep accurate records, I just don’t do it anymore.

SPOTS

Spots are not a problem, or never have been for me. Not even color. At the end of an all day Clamp-a-thon, my dick is a deep plumb color, which quickly massages away to the usual dark mocha. Numbness and loss of sensation, however, is a problem. If you’ve been clamping all day, as I often do, pop the clamp off. Massage in fresh blood. If you can’t get your dick hard without the clamp, you’re done. In fact you are a little overdone.

REPS
I’ve never agreed on the long sessions. Do as many reps as you can until your dick gets numb, but ten minutes tops. Only use ONE clamp, deep into the base over enough neoprene to get a full engorgement with two or three clicks. For you, and guys like you, with really long, and not so fat dicks, this will be a lot of wrap. The piece I use is only 7”X 1”. You will probably need twice that.

WRAP Use neoprene, nothing else for wrap. You mention in the PM the wrap Bib sends with his hanger. If I recall that wrap was the Theraband rubbery stuff. That’s good for hanging, terrible wrap for clamping. Even the Ace bandage is bad because the textured crinkles under the pressure of a clamp will irritate shaft skin. The neoprene is perfect. Wetsuit material. Keeps heat in, stretchy and soft on the inside, rubbery on the outside for grip. Works well in the hot tub. The mouse pads are usually too thick and hard to work with. The {wrist, elbow, leg wraps} kind of stuff works better. Just cut the neoprene into narrow strips. Leave just a tiny bit of Velcro, cut it down so the teeth never touch skin, and that is the best wrap.

The Aristocrat thread was trouble from the start. I was there the day he posted it, I think I responded on the first page. I didn’t know he was scamming for a pay site, but it doesn’t surprise me. The guy came in with a big dick to start with, he mislead a lot of people with an unrealistic Clamping goals that were not only dangerous, but also unproductive. You hit a point of diminishing returns once your dick is all numb, and black. However, even though his methods were bad PE in my opinion, I honestly feel you can push clamping to the limits, without hurting yourself. My dick was pretty beaten up most of the time back then, but I seem to have survived all the abuse without any noticeable permanent damage. (Knock on wood.)

However, some one posted above calling clamping “self induced priapism” Ironically, that is exactly the term my doctor uses. She still warns against using cable clamps for PE as well as clamp style hangers, but admits that these routines have greatly increased my girth over the years.

BG: Don’t worry about it! You are by far the most prolific poster on clamping experiences, you are our no.1 resource and can be the biggest help to us.

I am extremely interested in your feelings about clamping & pumping used in conjuction, particularly as to the benefit of specificly pumping in conjunction with a clamping focused routine. I have been trying to find thoughts on the matter (see first post if you’d like), I couldn’t discern your opinion from my extensive searches on your posts.

I absolutely agree about using the way it looks/feels for workouts. We are just discussing TUC and CF and other measurements to be able to find patterns between peoples’ experiences. I also am not interested in the science, only insofar as it can help us. That’s why I titled the thread to be empirical - theories only work if they can help our empirical tests (experiences). A good example can be found in bodybuilding. The sport existed actively for 80 years before people could actually grow 18 inch arms - not because of steroids, but because of communication and empirical tries. I think that’s what ThunderSS has allowed us to do with this great forum, and in line with creating a solid analysis of each other’s experiences. So I have to thank both selfless posters like you (a lot of your posts in the past 3 years have solely been to provide information and experience) and ThunderSS.

Regarding the points:

1. We have taken your view as orthodoxy here: clamping to us entails the use of one cable clamp supported by a wrap, as deep into the fat pad as possible.

2. I, blessed with my ridiculous spaghetti dick, use approximately 2 feet of tightly-wound Theraband. I have the most reliable and intense sessions this way also, and continue to use Theraband after I have grown in EG because of the pressure I can get from it, but I will try Neoprene ASAP.

3. You did, I remember your post on the front page.

4. I have heard you often mentioning the priapism idea. Out of curiosity, are you banging the urologist? You seem to imply this in your posts - if you are, that is absolutely hilarious :) .

Now BG, we have some questions:

First, when did you stop gaining EG? I read that you mentioned settling at 6.5 in somewhere around 2005, after going to a nudist camp clamped up to 8 of swelled dick, which then remained at 6.5. My curiosity is with regard to the gains you made during clamping marathons. Specifically, once you hit a end point in gains, did the massive increase in frequency help you gain? Once you reached 6.5, did marathons make you gain? If not, this would support our working theory.

Also, did you ever try clamping over 10 minutes regularly (for enough days and frequency to notice a difference in gains)? The health issue isn’t our concern - though it is seriously valid, we are just trying to figure out if the growth is due to dick starvation of oxygen, which, if it is, the only way to gain past a certain point would be to increase TUC (time under clamp).

Finally (for now), could you tell us about the marginal benefits of pumping on a clamping based routine? What I mean is, say you clamp for 10 sets a day. Is it beneficial for long-term EG gains to replace one of those sets with a pumping set, given you lose the 10th clamping set? If so, this could be helpful for our routines immediately, but also might indicate a cause of growth other than oxygen issues (elastic/plastic deformation). Please, tell us anything you can of the benefits of adding pumping to a clamping based routine - not many seems to know about this (it seems most people pick one or the other and don’t maintain both over a long time frame).

I am ecstatic and highly thankful that you have begun posting in this thread. I hope you will continue!

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Erect clamping: I do not see the point of this, nor do I even know how to do it. Due to the intensity that I use, I simply cannot edge to maintain an erection. Additionally, although the erection subsides and I loose light length (primarily from the area that is clamped actually), my girth grows much past erection levels (usually an inch) while clamped. So I couldn’t care less, unless somebody has tried both and can honestly say erect clamping is better.

So how would you describe your method, in terms of erection levels?


Jelq my boy, jelq like the wind.

Wow. Impressive thread. I’m going to take out the old air clamp and begin with probably 3 5 minute sets/day. Maybe less. Whatever TUC that doesn’t give me spotting.


In search of a perfect body, penis, and girl.

The search NO longer continues. :)

This thread is pretty dead. It seems a lot of the experienced clampers are uninterested in discussing their empirical observations. I have had a few requests about my personal views, but I don’t feel that they belong here as I would disproportionately affect the thread (since not many other posters replied). I’d like to open a thread discussing my own beliefs to settle the matter - if any moderators would be willing to move it from the newbie forum, let me know and I’ll write a thread up.

Lv, 2 days ago, on my 3rd clamp session I had the clamp 2 clicks away from the last one. I squeezed my cock to get full engorgement to get it were I wanted it before I tried for 1 more click, and ‘POP’ I broke the clamp. The tooth it was resting on had broke. Is that STEEL enough for you? :)


09-01-07= 6" Bpel & 4.5" Eg

01-2013= 8" Bpel & 5&3/8" Eg

01-2015= 8" Bpel & 5.75" Eg

Originally Posted by bigtiny454
Lv, 2 days ago, on my 3rd clamp session I had the clamp 2 clicks away from the last one. I squeezed my cock to get full engorgement to get it were I wanted it before I tried for 1 more click, and ‘POP’ I broke the clamp. The tooth it was resting on had broke. Is that STEEL enough for you? :)

I’m not sure what you mean by squeezing, while clamped, to click further.

That’s interesting. I remember that kaan’s clamps broke before. I have never had this experience, probably because I lose my erection quite quickly after I clamp, such that the area that is clamped shrinks while under the clamp. I don’t have to re-clamp or make it tighter because my wrap is actually the instrument actively restricting blood flow.

Are you sure that you are clamping properly? What I do is 1st I get a full 100% erection then I let it subside to about 2/3rds and slip the clamp on. Next I click it to were 2 teeth are showing and that’s when I start pumping (or squeezing) the blood into my penis until I’m at 100% erection and I click the clamp to the 2nd to the last tooth to trap in the blood. Then I start doing squeezes to pump it up further to get around 1/4 to 1/2 inch expansion. Losing an erection is normal, just play with it to get it back.


09-01-07= 6" Bpel & 4.5" Eg

01-2013= 8" Bpel & 5&3/8" Eg

01-2015= 8" Bpel & 5.75" Eg

Let me add another touch to this. I have been clamping for about 5 years. I have gained significantly and now boast a solid cemented 8.5 X 6.5 cock. My best gains have come in the last two years when I started adding Diabeti-Derm Foot Creme (it is for circulation and contains L-Arginie) to my routine. Try it!!


"If I leave here tomorrow, will you still remember me?"-- Ronnie Van Zandt

Originally Posted by bigtiny454
Are you sure that you are clamping properly? What I do is 1st I get a full 100% erection then I let it subside to about 2/3rds and slip the clamp on. Next I click it to were 2 teeth are showing and that’s when I start pumping (or squeezing) the blood into my penis until I’m at 100% erection and I click the clamp to the 2nd to the last tooth to trap in the blood. Then I start doing squeezes to pump it up further to get around 1/4 to 1/2 inch expansion. Losing an erection is normal, just play with it to get it back.

There are different ways of clamping. However, your way does not seem ideal. You should not be able to squeeze any blood because, as Girtha pointed out repeatedly, you should aim to apply the clamp as close to the base as possible (to the point that you cant squeeze).

However, if you mean squeezing as in kegaling blood in…then I don’t get what you’re doing either. You should not let it subside. Wrap and clamp at a 100%…this is a major waste of time.

Finally, loss of erection is no problem. There is NO need to play with it or get it back…this really is a myth. If you are wrapping correctly then you should be fully engorged whether you have an erection or not. Also refer to Big Girtha’s posts on this point. Actually, I’d advise you read his thread for beginner clampers, this isn’t the right thread for where you are at.

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