Clamping: Advanced Empirical Discussion
Note to moderators: I have been browsing/PE’ing for over 2 years, but due to a low post count cannot open this thread in the Main Member Forum where I believe it should be. If it could be moved there, I would be very grateful.
We could divide active research into two broad disciplines: empirical and theoretical. The theoretical, as everyone knows, seeks to make assumptions about a phenomenon and then, based on those assumptions, develop an understanding of the phenomenon. After the theorizing is done, people usually test the theory’s assumptions through empirical research - collecting data and analyzing it, from the real world. Admittedly, our discussion will not be as rigorous as collecting statistical data, but we have a great way of spreading knowledge and experience here that may be helpful. Additionally, if we can reach common ground and find similarities in experiences, and possibly develop recommend strategies over time, through experience, we may heavily aid the theoretical discussions through a re-assessment of the assumptions made there.
In this wonderful forum, we have the opportunity to read through the following primarily theoretical, and often highly abstract, thread: Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping
We also have a great many “how do I clamp” threads, I would recommend the instructional: CLAMPING Everything You Ever Wanted To Know
With that out of the way, my intention here is to develop a thread to discuss empirical questions and experiences regarding advanced clamping - posters who have heavy experience clamping, from a variety of backgrounds (including hybrid pumping/clamping types) are very welcome to join. Those who have not clamped should be referred above to BG’s thread: there are enough instructions there to satisfy beginner’s curiosity.
Finally, lets get this out of the way so we don’t have to repeat it (it gets annoying, even for readers I think):
CLAMPING IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A STEEL COCK, IT WILL EXPLODE. YOU MIGHT DIE. JELQ FOR A YEAR AND THEN VISIT THIS THREAD.
I hope that was extreme enough for everyone, so let’s feel free to discuss our most extreme experiences knowing the readers have seen this warning.
To get the thread started, here are some topics on my mind (with examples from several well-known posters in the field):
1. Frequency: Consistency is not the question, let’s take it as a given. For consistent clampers, how often do you clamp (how many “sets”)? Why and why not? BG for example says that he often clamped almost all day on weekends. I can’t physically do that. I clamp up to about 7 sets per day, sometimes a few more, but cannot physically handle more. Drilla on the other hand did 4 sets and experienced results.
——-> the question here would help theoretical discussion heavily: we don’t really know why the penis grows. Is it something that needs rest to grow? Is it plastic deformation? We have no real conclusive theoretical assumption. What works best in people’s experiences would shed a lot of light here.
2. Set times: What do you guys use, and why? Have you tried lower/higher times for extended periods, and what were the results? I use between 10-12 minutes usually, because of fear of alternative effects - I feel a lack of normal body heat after that point, in my penis of course, and that scared me. But I wonder whether the marginal benefit after 10 minutes might be worth the risk? Is it? When do you get decreasing marginal returns exactly, from experience? For example, Big Girtha seems to have settled on 10 minutes, Drilla maintained 15 throughout his brief clamping phase, Kaan used 10 minutes if I remember correctly. But do we really know the difference between 10 and 15 at a given intensity - is it larger than 5 to 10? It could be that working at above 15 might bring huge marginal returns - I don’t know, and that’s why I want to discuss it.
3. Intensity: I am EXTREMELY intense. If anyone is interested in how I do this with one clamp, ask. But to draw the discussion out, how intense are your clamping sessions? A good way to tell is by how hard your head is if you are not erect throughout. Mine is rock hard, unless it is filled with “lymph” fluid. Kaan tried a similar thing, based on aristocane’s claimed process. I wonder about BG: if he is clamping at lower intensity, I could understand his heavy frequency - BG I hope you’d let us know what you’ve been doing. Drilla used unusually low intensity on the other hand, but his reasoning seems to be simply to avoid injury.
4. Base growth: This is one REALLY mysterious topic to me. Why does my base grow from clamping? BG’s doesn’t. Is it technique? And even if we are using different techniques, what is making mine grow? Is it some sort of blood flow being blocked at the area of clamping, or is it the stress of my intense squeeze on the penis at that area (the girl there, while clamped, is approximately 1/2 of flaccid girth!). If we can figure out why this grows for some and not for others, we may be able to modify clamping to use this to grow other parts. I am planning to begin clamping a bit higher to try to see the effects - but I am suspicious that the effects will be less visible. If it is due to blood being blocked (not sure if this is possible, but then again - a lot of what we are doing here has not been studied medically), the blood would have less pressure if I was clamped farther from the base.
I’ll cover some topics quickly to reach the point of my current beliefs based on personal empirical study (these are surely debatable):
Discoloration: I don’t care about this at all. In fact, the temporary discoloration has always been a very helpful way for me to know how well I’ve abused my tool - I see it as a positive indicator. I also noticed (off-hand), that those who avoid discoloration usually don’t gain as much (due to low-intensity? low-frequency? God knows).
Erect clamping: I do not see the point of this, nor do I even know how to do it. Due to the intensity that I use, I simply cannot edge to maintain an erection. Additionally, although the erection subsides and I loose light length (primarily from the area that is clamped actually), my girth grows much past erection levels (usually an inch) while clamped. So I couldn’t care less, unless somebody has tried both and can honestly say erect clamping is better.
Confusing EQ with gains: I hear a lot of clampers saying that moving to less sets or days per week helped them. And then they mention rock-hard erections. EQ has nothing to do with clamping gains - lets separate these two things in our minds until we can establish some empirical connection. And by the way, most of you that say this worked end up not gaining very much from clamping, from my extensive long-term forum spying (lol). Try not to confuse morning wood and fun erections with girth gains. Two inch BG gains are what we are after.
I hope this might turn into a fun and helpful thread. Please offer your experiences and insights, particularly when you have tried BOTH sides of an issue - the more we share and discuss the more we will learn. I hope that we could also use this thread to try out new ideas and report back on the thread, to aid discussion. Also, I realize I have missed many topics - bring them up as you see fit :) .