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Clamping: Advanced Empirical Discussion

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Welcome Pillars :)

1. Bib is a very interesting character. I have spoken to him on his independent forums several times, about a year ago, when I was still trying to gain length. From my understanding (at least on his forum), he attributed a large part of his girth gains to hanging. ThunderSS, do you know if this is the case?

2. “Cementing gains” scares me a bit. I’m not sure where the term came from, but I have a suspicion that it came from pumping, because there cementing gains actually means something. What does cementing gains mean when you’re clamping? And what does it mean if gains are retractable, ie why would we need to cement gains?

——-> Has anyone lost clamping gains? I’m not talking about engorgement, I mean losing gains that remained for over two weeks of no clamping. Has this happened?

Edit: we also need to figure out what the red bumps are. I’ve read BG once say that the large bumps could be small blood vessels that had burst. My intuitive feeling for the past few months (and I get these regularly, even now) was that even the tiny bumps were small burst blood vessels. Does anyone think to the contrary?

bib never claimed girth gains from hanging, only base girth. He did EU’s for girth.

Cementing gains when youre clamping means you should keep clamping when you reached your goal but lessen the amount of fatigue you get over the course of weeks/months to zero and keep clamping for a good while without reaching fatigue at all. Same is applicable to his hanging theory.

I do believe gains are “retractable”.

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
I wouldn’t. The guy was scamming to start a PE paysite.

Eh…I had that feeling.

Anyway, to get rid of Aristocane’s story lets just take out the important factors:

He claimed to do 3 sets with extremely little break time in between (1 minute), each for 20 minutes, with multiple clamps.

—-> The little break time is a variable that could be considered in general, and the time under clamping is another highly critical variable that we have got to figure out, but the multiple clamps should just be thrown out. I’m not saying this to get on the one clamp bandwagon, but there is a better way. If you use an elastic wrap underneath one clamp, you can clamp to as high and as wide a pressure as you’d like, so I discovered multiple clamps to be a waste of time.

The lack of break time to me seems irrelevant. But I’m outlining the variables because I’d like anybody who has tries this to discuss it here. If little break time assisted, it may help us narrow the cause of the growth in the first place.

Anyway, as ThunderSS has clarified it, let’s leave that curiosity out of the discussion for now and just take these 2 variables out of it.

Update: I have finally bought Eroset’s essential oils and am about to go make me a batch. IF this stuff has sped up recovery of burst blood vessels, then it seems logical that it would aid the healing of minor burst blood vessels, and therefore allow me to do more clamping. I’m not sure why this wasn’t discussed at length in his original thread honestly…the first thing I thought of when I read it was: “if this works, this might be the solution to my low stamina for clamping.”

Additionally, I have collected a couple of the threads I mentioned so people don’t have to go searching:

A trial to check the validity of aristo’s routine (empirical use of high pressure & daily clamping, specifically mentioned that he believed the daily clamping made the difference, about 0.4 inch gain in a month)

Drilla’s Clamp-o-rama (4 15 minute sets per day, 5 days a week, low pressure, about half an inch gain in about half a year)

Originally Posted by Pillars
bib never claimed girth gains from hanging, only base girth. He did EU’s for girth.

Cementing gains when youre clamping means you should keep clamping when you reached your goal but lessen the amount of fatigue you get over the course of weeks/months to zero and keep clamping for a good while without reaching fatigue at all. Same is applicable to his hanging theory.

I do believe gains are “retractable”.

I know what cementing is Pillars. My comment was regarding whether it was a valid idea to have for clamping.

Personal opinion: I for one have been clamping for a while and do not believe my gains are retractable at all. Hanging is a different story entirely, this is a clamping (and pumping - if anyone wants to help with that) thread. We are not dealing with tendons at all, and therefore the variables are so completely different that we can’t even compare them. Bib himself said that he believes most of his gains were from the “inner penis” and ligaments - not tunica, not outer dick. So if cementing is necessary for hanging gains, which I think it might be, I think I am much more unsure for clamping gains.

By the way, he did claim girth from hanging. Please know your material, if you’re going to come and speak for Bib then at least know what he said. I’ve been reading his posts (old and new) for 3 years. I just didn’t know what he attributed the majority of his girth gains to.

“By the way, he did claim girth from hanging. Please know your material, if you’re going to come and speak for Bib then at least know what he said. I’ve been reading his posts (old and new) for 3 years. I just didn’t know what he attributed the majority of his girth gains to.”

This kind of shit is going to make your stay here short LV. Second warning. Third one is the charm.


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>In the two years of hanging how much did you gain in length and thickness?<

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4.5 inches in erect length. I assume about two inches in base girth from hanging. But I did not measure base girth before starting.


I believe this is sufficient.

Pillar,

I have spoken to ThunderSS and I believe I was a bit harsh in my reply. Let’s drop this now so as not to divert the thread, I have also PM’ed you.

Anyway, this is irrelevant, sorry for being rude. Let’s not have any more hanging discussion here. Clamping only =)

Sure man, but my point was simple. He claimed big girth gains from his method of Extreme Uli’s, and his view on this matter should be taken into account aswell.

Lets continue…

Originally Posted by Pillars
Sure man, but my point was simple. He claimed big girth gains from his method of Extreme Uli’s, and his view on this matter should be taken into account aswell.

Lets continue…

True. I have several opinions on the factors that we are trying to test, but we need more people with clamping experience to post. Once we have some reliable opinions based on experience we can start testing things out and trying to build a working model of the problem. We need BG and all the other clampers to get in here and tell us there opinions, at least to the first post here. We know what Kaan and Drilla did, but I think BG hasn’t answered the questions in my first post and may have some good insights.

I don’t understand what are the factors that you are trying to test, honestly. If you can’t measure the intensity used to clamp, frequence can’t say so much.

It would instead interesting to know: how much expansion is got through pumping (neat of flud build-up)? How much through clamping?

I dont think we will ever know what wouldve happend when Kaan did 15 min sessions instead of 10 or when drilla did more than 4 sets. Or like marinera said, the differences in intensity. Yes we could guess.

But what we can do is find similarities between all the big girth gainers and come up with something useful from that.

Originally Posted by Pillars
I dont think we will ever know what wouldve happend when Kaan did 15 min sessions instead of 10 or when drilla did more than 4 sets. Or like marinera said, the differences in intensity. Yes we could guess.

But what we can do is find similarities between all the big girth gainers and come up with something useful from that.

Exactly.

Marinera: we won’t be getting rigorous controlled results clearly, but the goal is to develop some heuristics and some good educated guesses, and then we can try the stuff out ourselves and see how it works.

The variables could include:

1. Time under clamp

2. Intensity (measured through hardness of erection - not really measured, this is qualitative obviously, but lets set two ends at Drilla and Kaan)

3. Frequency during the day

4. Days per week (rest days?)

5. Time between sets

6. Spacing out of sets between day? (more than time between straight sets, as in 5)

7. Pumping?

And then, we can go back to questions such as those posted in the opening post. For example, why do I get increased base girth and big girtha doesn’t? These minute details could give us a better heuristic idea of what is going on.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle

Update: I have finally bought Eroset’s essential oils and am about to go make me a batch. IF this stuff has sped up recovery of burst blood vessels, then it seems logical that it would aid the healing of minor burst blood vessels, and therefore allow me to do more clamping. I’m not sure why this wasn’t discussed at length in his original thread honestly…the first thing I thought of when I read it was: “if this works, this might be the solution to my low stamina for clamping.”

Let me just give you a bit of a warning. Eroset’s Oil very well MAY accelerate healing of SUPERFICIAL blood vessels, but I seriously doubt it penetrates below the surface very much. Why is that important? Capillary bursting is the early warning sign of you pushing your blood vessel integrity past its failure point, so they rupture.

The capillaries are the first to go because their walls are the thinnest. I consider it a early warning that you should not push it further. If you continue to push the pressure up, or clamp again before it has a chance to heal, then I believe you are now pushing your luck with larger vessels. If you are using something that accelerates the healing of the capillaries but is doing nothing to protect the larger vessels, I think you might be getting a FALSE sense of safety which might be leading you to a larger vessel blow out and possibly connective tissue rupture.

My point is its fine to use something like Erosets oil to enhance recovery, but I think you should be careful when trying to push past the capillary rupture point, its just not smart. If you condition long enough that the capillaries are no longer rupturing ,then chances are that the larger vessels and connective tissues have also had time to condition, THEN the higher or longer sessions are probably going to be better tolerated.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Let me just give you a bit of a warning. Eroset’s Oil very well MAY accelerate healing of SUPERFICIAL blood vessels, but I seriously doubt it penetrates below the surface very much. Why is that important? Capillary bursting is the early warning sign of you pushing your blood vessel integrity past its failure point, so they rupture.

The capillaries are the first to go because their walls are the thinnest. I consider it a early warning that you should not push it further. If you continue to push the pressure up, or clamp again before it has a chance to heal, then I believe you are now pushing your luck with larger vessels. If you are using something that accelerates the healing of the capillaries but is doing nothing to protect the larger vessels, I think you might be getting a FALSE sense of safety which might be leading you to a larger vessel blow out and possibly connective tissue rupture.

My point is its fine to use something like Erosets oil to enhance recovery, but I think you should be careful when trying to push past the capillary rupture point, its just not smart. If you condition long enough that the capillaries are no longer rupturing ,then chances are that the larger vessels and connective tissues have also had time to condition, THEN the higher or longer sessions are probably going to be better tolerated.

Excellent post!

I actually just applied the oil, coincidentally.

The reason why I didn’t think of this is because I push past the smaller blood vessels’ bursting on a daily basis and have been doing so for several months, so I basically stopped using them as a warning signal. This might not be a good idea, but from what I can tell, I doubt major blood vessels could burst without me having severe red spots - which I don’t get. I get minor red spots, but I get them on most days that I clamp a total of 60 minutes in a long session, or over 80 in a day (in 10 minute sets).

But still, good post. This could be a smart technique to use, if you aren’t pushing past that warning signal anyway.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I think small “red spots” are acceptable for most guys, but don’t go past that indicator.

I think we brought it up because we were realizing that we aren’t really sure what they are.

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