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Clamping: Advanced Empirical Discussion

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Intuitively, I think that a total decon would be a better choice, as long as it isn’t setting you back to zero gains. I would think that a total decon will set you back closer to a baseline of stimulus needed to initiate gains than a deload, which in the long run seems to me to allow a longer total growth period…but of course thats all my best guesses at this stage.

Good thread guys.

As long as you edge or have sex consistently (say 3-5 times a week) during a decon, it would be somewhat hard to lose your gains, IMO. Also, IMO, the body has a need to keep the gains if its being stimulated almost daily yet its not being worked out like a PE session. That way, it can decondition yet still keep the blood flowing and be “active”. Of course, too much edging would probably be bad, also. If the penis rarely gets stimulated during a decon, I think that’s counterproductive and that’s how people lose gains. Of course, these gains are usually resurrected.

Originally Posted by marinera
If you clamp at the base, all the blood is pushed in a smaller volume, so pressure is increasing a lot.

If you clamp higher on the shaft, then part of the blood - blood contained in the portion of the penis under the clamp - is pushed inside the body, so pressure isn’t augmenting that much. Seems pretty obvious to me, but maybe I haven’t understood the question? :shrug:

I am referring to tunica growth through the pressure xeno talked about. As in base growth during hanging and clamping. Do you realize what I am referring to now? Check out xeno’s thread if not.

Some little data but still intresting: Is there any going back on clamping Seemed he also gained (0.25) at 2 weeks in but then lost it all because of a decon.

I am confused. You AREN’T supposed to clamp while erect? How do you guys do it then?

There are different school of thoughts on that.

What I believe is the correct way to clamp is to start out soft or semi, wrap, clamp. Cut outflow and let it increase pressure inside, when you feel enough pressure has been created you cut the inflow aswell, by tightening further.

The tunica becomes “loaded” as wad would say when erect, I cant see how you could effectively cut in and out-flow that way.

Holy crap. I feel very dumb. I cannot wait to try the new way!

Originally Posted by LongVehicle

I am referring to tunica growth through the pressure xeno talked about. As in base growth during hanging and clamping. Do you realize what I am referring to now? Check out xeno’s thread if not.

Xeno’ thread is 17 pages long, and I’m not going to read it all trying to guess what you are referring to. I already said what I think causes the base girth in clampers and Bib’ hangers, check it out.

Originally Posted by marinera
Xeno’ thread is 17 pages long, and I’m not going to read it all trying to guess what you are referring to. I already said what I think causes the base girth in clampers and Bib’ hangers, check it out.

Sorry, I just referred you to it because it’s on the first post exclusively.

Where can I see what you wrote about it?

Originally Posted by ShyMplsMale
As long as you edge or have sex consistently (say 3-5 times a week) during a decon, it would be somewhat hard to lose your gains, IMO. Also, IMO, the body has a need to keep the gains if its being stimulated almost daily yet its not being worked out like a PE session. That way, it can decondition yet still keep the blood flowing and be “active”. Of course, too much edging would probably be bad, also. If the penis rarely gets stimulated during a decon, I think that’s counterproductive and that’s how people lose gains. Of course, these gains are usually resurrected.

So you are implying that getting erections will prevent losses of gains? Seems to fix my Cialis + EVO routine as a gain inducer quite well, although I’m not so sure it’s true. Very interesting, nonetheless.

Originally Posted by ironaddict69
Holy crap. I feel very dumb. I cannot wait to try the new way!

By the way, we don’t all use to method. I use a simpler way that has worked perfectly, in which I get an erection and clamp off and let it be. I don’t maintain the erection or anything else complicated, it seems unnecessary.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
So you are implying that getting erections will prevent losses of gains?

I am with Shy on this one.

I have this intuition that edging sessions (30 mins or so) help cement gains and help maintain gains. Sex too of course.

I got the idea from my own experience. Additionally I read in a sex manual, which recommends edging as “training” to control ejaculation, that many of their clients reported a little penis size increase. The authors theorized that it was because of the longer duration very hard erections. (The book is Extended Sexual Orgasm, by Brauer and Brauer — good book!)

Your mileage may vary. Apparently some guys find edging very stressful, too stressful.


Last edited by sta-kool : 07-21-2009 at .

Nocturnal erections should do the same, also.

So this all the more reason for Cialis + EVO to work.

Tried pumping today. Nothing interesting to report, other than that EVO works as an excellent lubricant. With it’s properties I can’t understand why any lubricant would be chosen over it.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle

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Where can I see what you wrote about it?

Originally Posted by marinera

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The base girth could be explained by lack of oxygen as well, and pressure exerted by the clamp on that zone.

/forum/showthread.php?p=1419048#post1419048

Maybe is not that clear? Uhmm…let me try explain better.

When the base is clamped, a great force is acting on the area under the clamp, in a perpendicular direction.

So that tissue is thinned, while the blood is forced in the remaining part of the penis, at high pressure.

Tissues of penis are elastic, and the glans acts like a cork (stopper?); when the clamp is removed, the un-clamped area reacts like a rubber band, forcing all the blood that was contained there toward the base, enlarging the thinned (previously clamped) tissue.

This repeated stimulus over the time enlarges the area.

The force exerted by the clamp also can act causing some degree of damage in the clamped tissue, triggering hypertrophy/hiperplasia.

Hope this makes some vague sense.

There is an interesting link with this:

A 49-year-old single white man was admitted to the hospital because of his incapacity to exteriorize the glans penis. Approximately 6 years prior to admission, he began to use a rubber-enlarging band, acquired in a sex shop, in order to enhance sexual experience and to prolong erection. The rubber-band with 2-cm in diameter was placed in the penile root for approximately 3 hours, 3 to 4 times a week……….

A stricture could be observed in the penile base corresponding to the place on which the band was applied. Phimosis was present. No skin ulceration, urethral injury, loss of sensation or other alterations were noticed. Urinalysis and urine culture were not suggestive of urinary tract infection.”

/forum/showthread.php?p=1433120#post1433120

despite doing something similar to clamping, in this case the base lost girth, not gained. Over the time, tissue changed shape, and maybe structure also.

Interesting thoughts marinera. Xeno had a similar observation, but far less detailed on the causality point. I tried to check my base girth carefully, and discovered (as I suspected) that the area wrapped/clamped is significantly larger than the rest. I may try clamping at higher portions to induce such an effect if gains stall later.

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