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cicciobello gained about 14.3 cubic inches or 235 cubic centimeters between 2003 and 2005. He started at a size of 8.75” x 7.5625” and finished at over 10” length and 8.25” girth. Length gains of 1.25” and girth gains of 0.6875”. He had no posts, but listed his routine in the size database as 50 mins of stretching per day on a variable rest schedule. He was 17 years old when starting PE. Not much to learn from this one, but if these monster starting girths are out there, they can get huge volume gains with relatively normal length and girth gains.
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Great thread BeardedDragon! Lots of good info.
Yeah, I think this thread should be stickied!
05/06/2013: BPEL: 6.250" | MSEG: 5.125" | BPFSL: 6.250" | MSFG: 4.375"
10/15/2013: BPEL: 7.000" | MSEG: 5.375" | BPFSL: 7.563" | MSFG: 4.750"
Goals: BPEL: 7" ACHIEVED New goals: BPEL: 7.5" | MSEG: 5.75" | Brad the Bartender\'s Progress Log and Pics
Just wanted to stop in and say again Bearded that this thread is really great. I just read your summary of BrainDrain’s progress report - this was so helpful! He has so much history here and so many posts to read in all of his years of progress reports that a compilation like the one you did is extremely helpful (would have taken weeks to read all his data thoroughly).
I always remained slightly skeptical of BrainDrain’s gains (with all possible due respect and homage to the guy). This is partly due to my own ignorance (only briefly skimmed his progress reports, and probably not his newer one), but also because he was only 19 years old when he started - still in the window of possible natural penis growth.
Upon closer inspection (with the help of your post) and the fact that most guys dicks are done growing by age 17, and not by age 24 (which is close to the maximum possible age for the penis to grow naturally), I’ve come to terms that his gains were far more likely to have been accomplished by his incredible tenacity with PE.
The fact that his initial girth gains from clamping came, but then after a month off he lost all of these - tells me that this was not natural penis growth (natural penis growth does not go away on a month to month basis). This happened to him several times during his routine (where he would take one month off, then later three months off, each time losing all of his girth gains). This tells me that his gains are real, and are from PE.
Thank you for this sir, I’ve only read page 1 and then page 7, 8, and 9 of this thread, so I can’t wait to read the rest. Really appreciate you taking the time to do this - my motivation is not high enough right now to undertake such an endeavor! (compiling all this data). I’m glad yours is, and maybe one day when my motivation is high, I can spread the wealth and help others as you are doing here.
Thanks guys! It’s a thread that I wish already existed so I made it! Since I was probably going to research most of these guys anyway, why not write them down for everyone? There are a couple threads similar. One of them was just a list of some big gainers from some years back, but not any info beyond that. The other one is a great thread with advice from some big gainers in their own words:
Collected wisdom from the vets and good gainers
I’ll keep adding to it. To be honest, anybody who gains over 7 cubic inches is a big gainer in my book. For me it would mean doubling my cock size. For most guys it would mean going from average to legitimately big. That would be a lot of guys to add, I’ll just keep going whenever I feel like it.
BrainDrain’s summary was by far the toughest to write so far, since he already kinda wrote it himself I needed to look for some other details. I had already read some of his threads too, and part of the fun of these is to be learning stuff as I go. It should be a particularly inspiring story for you Smallja. I remember BD had to start very softly with jelqing for several months - he said he felt like he had a particularly fragile dick - a couple years later he was jelqing literally at the highest possible erection and grip force. And when he first tried clamping he got blood out the urethra, but later when he came back to it he either used better form or had more conditioning and never had any more scares except an occasional agitated vein. So enough conditioning and you can strangle the shit out of the little guy.
It does seem like guys under 24 seem to have better odds of being a big gainer. Some of them are probably late growers, mixed in with some PE gains. I think there are a lot of hormones in the body at that age that would tend to be good for tissue growth also.
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Hi bearded dragon.
Thanks for sending me the data.
This is an amazing post. Thank you for helping as to understand the misteries of PE.. Haha.
After reading all, I think that 1 hour (at least) is the base for great gains.
Sorry for any wrongs in my english.
I’ll be dusting off this thread in the next few weeks, sitting around while an injury heals (non-PE). It’s been a little over 6 months since I added to the thread, and a while back I posted a reply in my progress log, detailing what info I gained from studying the big gainers so far and how it’s affected my PE. I’ve copied the post below, and hopefully it will serve as a summary of this thread up to this point, with a few modifications in [brackets].
Did the big gainer study thread improve my PE practice? In providing motivation, yes. In learning about a wide spectrum of possible PE practices and theories, yes. In terms of finding a specific routine or theory, or common practice trends among big gainers that increased my gains, no it didn’t really help, not yet at least. Here’s what I took away from that study.
1. Predisposition is the dominant factor [in being a big gainer]. Whether it’s due to factors out of our control (genetics for example) or other environmental factors that we just don’t understand, certain guys are quick / easy / big gainers while other guys doing the same routine, same effort and dedication levels, etc, are average gainers. So in that sense, yes I believe some guys are simply easy gainers and some guys are hard gainers [but most guys are average gainers].
2. Routine doesn’t matter at the population level. Meaning that taken as whole, the big gainers I studied used the full spectrum of PE practices, growth theories, and rest schedules. There was no glaring trend in a certain technique being more common or vastly superior to any other. At the individual level, certain guys do seem to benefit more from certain techniques than others, and it’s just a matter of finding what works best [for those guys]. Other guys seem to benefit from anything and everything, and will gain regardless of what technique they use (mirroring the population observation). So finding the right routine is partially under our control. Personally, I’ve been all over the place in terms of routine, trying a bit of everything, and my gains seem to be slow and steady throughout it. So I wasn’t able to improve my routine much, at least not yet, as a result of the study. I did learn about a large number of techniques and ideas that I can try out over the years, and perhaps something will unlock quicker gains in the future.
3. Time, effort, dedication, consistency, and perseverance bordering on obsession was the closest thing to a common factor under our control that I could find in the study. I believe you [memento] posted something in that thread along the lines of what we get back from PE is definitely related to how much we put into it. Again, I think predisposition dominates this effect, and that not everyone benefits from 3 hours of PE per day unless they are pre-disposed to be able to take advantage of that extra time. That being said, big gainers tended to put in much more time and effort than the average PE’er. If the average PE’er does 30 minutes 4-5 days a week for 1-2 years. The average big gainer was more in the realm of 1-3 hours of PE, 5-7 days per week, for 2-10 years. They really took a deep personal involvement in their gains, listened to their dicks, found what worked for them and what didn’t, and then ran with it. They tended to experiment often, make up their own unique routine, [and] even design their own home-made devices to fit a particular personal need. PE was truly a hobby and lifestyle for them. They had an ongoing and active commitment to gain.
[… Finally, so far] I covered people who had gained 14 cubic inches or more, and as marinera pointed out, [there are likely several people who exaggerated gains in that group. I also still believe there are several real accounts listed so far. I was also probably naively optimistic about the maximum natural penis size. In keeping with the motivational spirit of the thread, I’ll keep going as if they are all legitimate, but use your own judgment if this matters to you.]
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This is all very interesting, but I agree that a hell of a lot of time is spent to get decent gains
Great thread! Keep up the good work.
Currently: 9.75bpX6.75eg My Picture Thread
Goal:10.0bpX7.25mseg Building a thicker unit, click by click, pump by pump, jelq by jelq!
What Titleist said. Good job!
Hard work and consistency is the key to success it seems - which confirms what is repeated here on a daily basis.
Starting size: 7.48" X 5.51" Currently: 10.1" X 6.4"
Heat is the key!
Big Girtha gained 15.4 cubic inches between 2003 and 2010. In metric terms, a gain of about 252 cubic centimeters. He started at 6x5 and finished at 7x7, for a length gain of 1” and a girth gain of 2”. He was a big proponent of the “no turtling” method of ADS (golf weights/PEweights) and wraps, and had excellent flaccid gains. He may have been the most obsessed big gainer highlighted so far, PE’ing nearly 24/7 (around the clock) for his first two years of PE. He was an active nudist, and prioritized flaccid gains over erect gains. He also didn’t measure very often, so the stats provided here are a combination of his signature, and some scattered updates in various posts.
BG’s first year of PE is summarized in this thread, what he calls his “insane period”:
Big Girtha’s routine for girth and flaccid hang
He began in May 2003 with manual exercises. In June he added pumping. In July he added hanging. Between July 2003 and April 2004 his routine had evolved into this:
So, My Routine in a nutshell:
1. I sleep in the wrist wrap.
2. I wear two golf weights during the day’
3. I hang 17 pounds OTS using a pulley for six twenty minute sets a day 5 days a week with a 10 minute rest period between each set. One three set session in the AM and one in the PM.
4. During the 10 minute rest period during each hanging set I clamp off an erection with cable clamp and do erect bends, then one Horse 440 before reattaching the Bib Starter for the next set.
5. Daily I take a mulit vitamin, 1,000 IUs of E a Calsium-Magnisum-Zinc 3000 MG of NOX2 and drink as much water as humanly possible, two to three gallons a day.
6. I jog 4 miles a day seven days a week wearing the golf weights. I end each day’s PE session with three 15-minute pumps at 8 in hg in a 2” tube and 1,000 wet jelqs with kegals in the hot tub before bed.
7. I take two days of rest each week with no PE other than wearing the wrist wrap and or the golf weights
During that period he gained about 1” of length, which would also be his finishing length at the end of his PE career, and about 1.25” of girth. He also had about a 1” flaccid hang prior to beginning to PE, but by this time he had a consistent 4-5” flaccid hang. He gained a lot of “PE skin” during this time, from the practice of pulling his skin forward while applying various wraps and ADS, to the point of calling it a foreskin restoration. He also suffered several injuries during this time due to overtraining. As UpTo7 put it later in the thread, the routine was over 4 hours of active PE, and 12+ hours of ADS of passive PE:
“Sorry for old thread resurrection, but I must ask…
This routine is basically 2 hours of hanging 17 lbs, 45 minutes of pumping at 8” Hg, 40 minutes of clamping, some erect bends, 1000 jelqs, kegels and ADS, 5 times a week?
How did you manage to keep your dick from falling off? I think I would have to take weeks of break after only one day of this routine.”
In truth, BG was trying to PE 24/7 during his first couple years.
As you can see, BG combined ADS, all day wrap, hanging, clamping, and pumping all into one extreme high intensity routine. He was doing some form of PE almost all day long, even while sleeping, for the first year of his PE gains. The way he describes it, I estimate he was doing some form of PE for 20+ hours per day on his 5 “on” days per week, and about 12 hours per day of ADS/wrap during the “off” days. He credits his flaccid gains to his ADS/wrap, and his erect girth gains mostly to the clamping. While he started with golf weights, after a year or two he switched to Monty’s PEweights and considered them to be far superior. He said any form ADS will serve the same function, anti-turtling.
By about mid 2005, he had lightened his routine slightly. It seems he did less pumping, and switched to fowfers at night rather than the wrap. In August 2005, with several nagging injuries, he took an extended break from PE, and after 2 weeks of no PE he was measuring about 7.5” x 6.5”.
Perhaps of note:
BG drank 2 gallons of water per day, leading him to wake up to piss several times per night. That made him feel safer about wearing the wrap at night. If I remember correctly, peforeal, another big girth gainer, recommended drinking large amounts of water as well, during pumping sessions.
He often carried around a wrap and cable clamp on his person, and would get in stealth clamp sessions throughout the day, when he was away from home. 20 hours of PE wasn’t enough, gotta get in those extra 4 hours.
BG said he often ejaculated only once or twice per week because it facilitated the frequent erections he needed for the nearly 24/7 routine.
He would sometimes end his workouts by going swimming in cool water with golf weights on, to cool the tissues in the elongated state.
He would only lube up for pumping days, and on those days he would wet jelq. Other than that he would always dry jelq. For pumping, he would stay as hard as possible in the tube for the entire sets, watching porn throughout. For clamping, he usually only got an erection at the beginning of the set to clamp it off, and then would multi-task during the actual set, letting the erection subside.
He often uses the term “go into the bathroom and clamp off an ULI.” That didn’t quite make sense to me at first until I saw it many times in context, but may have made more sense in the 2005 vernacular. Basically it means, stimulate to erection and do some ULI’s to build up some engorgement, put on a wrap, and clamp off to trap a high engorgement level, perhaps even doing an ULI type kegel/jelq motion with the clamp on to get as much blood in as possible – then go multitask and remove it in 10 minutes. This was the kind of passive multi-tasking clamping he would do for many hours throughout the day as an anti-turtling measure, responsible for his huge flaccid girth gains. This style was the vast majority of his clamping, and he says many times that you don’t need to stay hard throughout the clamping set, only at the beginning to clamp it off, then let it subside while multi-tasking. At other times he would do more “active” clamping with porn, and perhaps tighter clamp, that pushed the limits of his erect girth more.
He would gain about ¾” of girth from a “clampathon” and his post clamping flaccid girth would be greater than his pre-clamping erect girth.
He sometimes did engorged bends, squeezes, etc. while clamped, but mostly just did normal clamping. He emphasized using a looser clamp setting if it was going to be combined with any manual work.
He worked from home as a writer, and had a “PE Dungeon” in the basement which is how he was able to devote so much time to it. He also kept his wife and various other people in his life in the loop about his PE. Personally I’m a stealth PE’er and get in about a half hour up to 1 full hour max per day right now. I know if I lived alone, or if I were to tell everyone about it, I could do a lot more. More details in the “PE as a way of life” thread, which also includes his early 2006 routine modifications.
PE as a Way of Life.
Here’s a BG quote from that thread which sums up the effort level seen in many of the big gainers:
“I’m just saying for most of us, if you really want to see any serious gains, you are going to have work PE into your life. Just like with body building, or losing weight or writing a novel; if the effort is little, the rewards are little. This hit and miss, I can only do it in the shower, or when the wife is out ideology will never change your size enough to change your life. And isn’t that what we all really want, a new dick that will change our lives? That’s The Dream. That’s the reason we are here, or at least it is for me.”
Somewhere around 2006, BG went into maintenance mode for the next 3 years, decreasing his routine to only 2-3 days per week, lowering intensity, and keeping only Clamping, Pumping, Fowfers and the lead rings (PEweights ADS) as exercises. In one post he states he had gained 2 inches of length at this point, suggesting he was measuring in the realm of 8” x 6.75”. In several places he says that his quick girth gains seriously inhibited any further girth gains, so I’m not sure if he really went up to 8” length or not. After 2006 he no longer did any hanging, and apparently by 2009 after 3 years on this maintenance routine, he lost length but gained a little girth, to the 7” x 7” quoted in his signature. In 2011 he states his final size as 7”x7” erect, but with a traffic cone shape with 8” base girth. A good flaccid hang for him at that time was the same size, 7”x7”.
This thread contains details on his bed fowfers which he would do every night, replacing the all night wrap.
Don’t Measure it, Weigh it.
Then there is the (currently) 86-page classic: CLAMPING Everything You Ever Wanted To Know, which contains BG’s tips and tricks on clamping, his most used form of PE. The devil is in the details, and if you’re going to be clamping, you gotta read this thread.
CLAMPING Everything You Ever Wanted To Know
In summary, BG used PEweights (ADS), clamping for engorgement, manual work, night wraps, and night fowfers to pursue an all day anti-turtling effort for basically a decade now. He credits this for his flaccid gains, and his flaccid now hangs at nearly his full erect size. For those of you who don’t actually read any of his threads, I want to emphasize that he literally was PE’ing nearly his entire waking day, and attempting to PE as much as possible at night with a wrap/fowfers. We’re talking 20 hours a day of some form of PE. This was supplemented with heavy hanging for the first few years, about 1 hour per day in the hanger, 5 days a week. Also high pressure pumping, and lots of clamping for expansion to increase his erect gains. His routine was extreme, and he had many injuries over the years. In 2011 and 2012 he said that his early years were too intense in retrospect, and he could have achieved many of the same gains with less injury. He continued to do the same exercises, but just toned down the intensity, and warns that some of the advice he gave in 2003-2006 was advocating too much intensity. Many people, experienced vets, in many threads, told him many times, that his routine was crazy. So proceed gradually and with caution if you follow in his footsteps.
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I could add DLD with the caveat that his gains are known to be very likely exaggerated. I wasn’t around for the whole drama back then, but from what I understand, he claimed gains of 4” length and 2” girth, volume gain of 27.6 cubic inches - then posted pics widely considered poorly attempted fakes, and then created a for profit PE site of his own making him rather unpopular around here.
I’ve been mostly working off the size database stats to find guys to add, so if there’s anybody else who belongs on here but didn’t enter stats, let me know. Right now I’m working on RB which is a lot of reading so far.
Studying Big Girtha last week really fanned the PE fire personally. I added in a few sets of fowfers for 30-60 minutes per set. And that extra couple hours of passive PE is motivating me to do more active PE, like a physical reminder keeping PE in the forefront of my subconscious “to do” list.
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I was working on RB, but I just happened across some OldAsianDriver posts, and this one wrote itself.
OAD started PE in 2010 measuring 5.85” BPEL x 5.2 EG. He last updated his progress thread in February 2013 with stats of about 8.05” x 6.3” for a gain of 2.2” length and 1.1” girth, and a volume gain of 12.9 cubic inches (221 cubic centimeters). Doubled his starting volume. He has done a manual routine of stretching, jelqing, and manual clamping with bends for his entire career. While he started slow and worked his way up to 45 minutes per day during the first 6 months, the next 2 years after that, he was doing about 1.5 hours of PE per day, 5 days a week. Except for a few short decon breaks, he’s been consistently PE’ing the entire time.
Within 2 months he had gained +0.6” length and +0.3” girth. During the next 2 months, he was up to gains of +1.2” length and still at +0.3” girth.
Here’s his routine during those first 4 months, in his own words.
For the first 2 months, I did mostly quick, low intensity wet jelqs until my unit was tougher and I felt my gains were slowing. These past 6 weeks I have added to my routine, which is done 1 day on 1 day off and is followed quite strictly. I start with very light stretching while in the shower with hot water for about 5 minutes. I then do orange bends in the shower for about 8-10 minutes. Once out of the shower, I do 25 slow, medium intensity wet jelqs then 30 seconds of manual clamping. I repeat the jelq and clamp 3 more times. I then get back in the shower and do firegoat rolls in hot water for 3 minutes. After about 3-5 minutes of hot water, I then change the water to cool for 2 minutes. If I have the time, I edge afterward for up to an hour and do bed fowfers after that. I also try to edge on off days. I try not to ejaculate when edging because I have a horny girlfriend to please!
Another post on his routine from that time.
When I began, I did not fully understand proper jelqing technique. I jelqed about 300 strokes a day roughly 5 times a week; however I did fast jelqs that lasted a little less than a second. These jelqs were low intensity, meaning I did not apply much pressure with my OK grip. I did this for about 5 weeks before I noticed my penis had become tougher, and when jelqing, blood did not feel like it was expanding my unit as much as it did before. At this time I gained about 0.25 inches in length. I then read more about proper jelqing technique and realized that I was supposed to do longer jelqs that lasted about 3 seconds. Upon learning this, I adjusted my routine. My new routine begins with a few minutes of manual stretches, followed by roughly 150 long and higher intensity jelqs (with a kegel while jelqing every 5th jelq). I have been doing this for the past 3 weeks and have now received length gains that surpass my first 5 weeks (I gained about 0.35 inches in 3 weeks). I should also note that my new routine is performed only 2-3 times per week (school started back up). Gains from this new routine do not appear to be slowing down.
He was still doing firegoat rolls in his warm-down at this time, and added bed fowfers (while awake watching TV or studying) after the routine. In another post said his full routine took about 45 minutes, 3-4 days per week around the 5 month mark of his career. Around the 6 month mark, he mentioned he was up to +1.0” length gains, and that was the last we heard from him for about 2 years.
He didn’t post until February 2013 (the 2.5 year mark of his career), when he checked back in with an update at 8.05” x 6.3”. So in those 2 years he had gained 1.2” of length and 0.8” of girth. During that time, he modified his manual routine, and increased the intensity, and went to twice a day, 5 days a week. Here’s his routine at that time, in his own words.
My specific routine consists of a hot shower (almost uncomfortably so) where I make sure my penis is being warmed as much as possible. Afterward I jelq for about 5 or 10 minutes with KY lube. I then do these stretches that I will try to explain. While sitting, I start by lightly clamping the base with my thumb and index finger using my right hand. I’m about 50-70% erect during this. My left hand pushes my penis forward (toward the ground), backward (toward my stomach), and to the right (so my penis lays across the top of my right hand). I hold each of these positions for about 20 seconds. I then switch hands, but instead of clamping with just my thumb and index finger, I add my middle finger to the clamp. This causes the bend in my penis to be a little higher and stretches a different part of it. I continue moving up by adding a finger to the clamp each time. Recently I started adding an extra bend position in by clamping with all fingers, but having my thumb and index finger higher up than at the base. I added this position because my size has increased and I find that the top part of my penis would not be exercised. After completing this clamp stretch exercise, I jelq again for 5-10 minutes, rinse off and then (time permitting) clamp very hard while edging. I literally clamp so hard that my penis feels like its being pulled away from my body a bit. Also my hands are usually very sore afterward.
I also recently started wearing an all day stretcher of my own design. [… his ADS sounds a lot like a noose hanger to me, so I’ve omitted it, see thread for details …]
I do this routine quite diligently twice a day, 5 days a week.
And another, on the use of short decon breaks.
I have been using the jelqing, stretching, and clamping technique since way back when I first posted up until now. I should also note that I took 4 deconditioning breaks each which took about 5 weeks. I have just started to incorporate an all day stretcher and it has added another quarter inch in just the past few weeks.
By my estimate, during those 2 years, he was doing about a 40 minute manual routine, twice a day, 5 days a week, except for 4 decon breaks of 5 weeks each. Finally, a quote with some theorizing on routine design for maximizing gains
Well, just to clarify.. I gained just over 1 inch in less than four months. The other inch+ took considerably longer to gain. I can definitely attribute some of the gains to improved EQ and some of the gains to the fact that I lost some weight (15lbs). The weight loss may not have played a huge role however, because I always measure using BPEL. Before actually starting any PE, I did nothing but read about PE (tips, scientific theory, techniques, anecdotal evidence, etc) for about a month. I became quite knowledgeable about the subject, which made listening to my body a lot easier to do. I encourage everyone to listen to their body when performing PE. The best technique is not necessarily what gives other people results.. For me, I knew that improved EQ, nocturnal erections, and a lack of pain were signs that I was doing things right. It is imperative that you adjust your routine to match your body.
Wise words. He stayed with the same girlfriend for the entire gaining period, and maintained stealth the whole time. She never mentioned anything to him, but clearly enjoyed the sex more.
His progress report can be found here:
Less than 4 months in, should I retire already
OAD is probably still doing this routine, although he said he was getting close to retirement size. Hopefully we hear from him again in a year or two with another update.
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