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Seminal Kung Fu and Crown Chakra Orgasms

My what interesting timing your thread has xeno.

I had my first non-ejaculatory orgasm today. It wasn’t particularly strong, but no semen came out and I wasn’t really holding back. Is this the first stage of SKF?

/UA

Originally Posted by underaverage

Is this the first stage of SKF?

UA, if you experienced a CCO, you would not have this question.


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Xeno,

I didn’t say that I experienced a CCO. I said that I had a non-ejaculatory orgasm. It was confined to my prostate region. I know that it wasn’t a CCO. What I was asking is if this is a first stage to achieving one. In other words, do I now need to learn how to circulate my chi and direct my orgasm energy up my spine?

/UA

Originally Posted by underaverage
…do I now need to learn how to circulate my chi and direct my orgasm energy up my spine?


Yes. By coordinating flexing of the BC and the sacral pump, located below the small of the back, you want to move the “I’m gonna cum” feeling up your spine. A successful “hand-off” to your sacral pump will NOT result in any sort of orgasm but neither should your erection fade. Try to do successive successful hand-offs before worrying about moving it further up your spine.

Congratulations :)


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 10-26-2005 at .

Thanks Xeno. I thought it was pretty cool myself.

I’ll be waiting for your post on how to “hand-off” to the sacal pump. Do I need real good independent control the muscles that control the tailbone for that?

I am a bit leery about this process though. I’ve read a few kundalini horror stories.

/UA

I don’t know how I’m going to be able to describe how to do the hand-off. To improve your odds of success, I really recommend that you read the book.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by underaverage
Do I need real good independent control the muscles that control the tailbone for that?


Yes, when referenced to your control of your BC muscle. Its a flexural wave that you want to make…flex your BC, while pulling the “I’m gonna cum” feeling* up and towards your spine. With the correctly timed, just slightly later, pulling up flexure of your lower back muscles (i.e. your sacral pump), you will negotiate a successful hand off of your “I’m gonna cum” feeling* from your genitals to your coccyx portion of your SKF plumbing**. When you succeed with making the hand off, do more of them, become able to do it while still stimulating yourself…just pump the “I’m gonna cum” feeling* up over the small of your back and let go of it, it will dissipate safely. Once you’re facile with this skill, you can work on push/pulling that “I’m gonna cum” feeling* further up your SKF plumbing**.

*chi (for purposes of this description)
**microcosmic orbit


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Xeno,

Thanks for bringing more of this out into the open. Is the procedure basically:

1) flex BC
2) flex tailbone
3) flex lower back

For me, I need to also tighten my abdomen to flex my lower back. I don’t have very good control of those muscles.

I have noticed that since I’ve been working on having a dry orgasm, that my body has started to vibrate when I’m doing this stuff. Is this normal? Is this what we’re supposed to be working toward?

/UA

Xeno,

I recieved the book today that you recommended. I look forward to reading it and comparing notes.

Take Care

Originally Posted by underaverage
Is the procedure basically:

1) flex BC
2) flex tailbone
3) flex lower back


Yes, in the same way that the procedure for flying is basically flapping your arms. But to successfully make the first SKF hand-off, yes, that’s basically it. Good luck with pulling it off without reading the book however.

Please read the book. I’m here to complement the book, not substitute for it. I apologize if that seems harsh, but the reality is that I CAN’T make you or anyone understand SKF or CCOs. I can only supplement one’s own effort to understand them, which requires reading the book. Sorry, that’s just the way it is. Until one has read the relevant material, I can be of very little assistance. Please read the book.

Originally Posted by underaverage

I have noticed that since I’ve been working on having a dry orgasm,


Understand that SKF practice is not about having dry orgasms, indeed its quite the OPPOSITE. Successful SKF practice, meaning the ability to achieve CCOs, requires that the practitioner successfully AVOID dry orgasms until sufficient chi has been controlled, moved and accumulated at the top of the head.

Originally Posted by underaverage

that my body has started to vibrate when I’m doing this stuff. Is this normal?


Yes, it means that you’ve liberated (spilled, to use our hydraulics analogy) chi, IOW, failed to successfully hand-off your chi to your sacral pump. This will happen. For years potentially before further progress is made.

Originally Posted by underaverage

Is this what we’re supposed to be working toward?


I hope you now understand that the answer to this question is “no”. Please read the book.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by Mr. Nine

Xeno,

I recieved the book today that you recommended. I look forward to reading it and comparing notes.

Take Care

Glad to hear it Alice. Let me know if I can be of any assistance.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Xenolith,

Just wanted to thank you for your change of heart in continuing this thread. Mantak Chia was heavily criticized by fellow taoists for freely sharing these ancient secrets, but he believed, as you do, that this information should not be kept locked away by jealousy or prideful ego. Thanks again, and I look forward to reading more on this thread!


"My anaconda don't want none Unless you got buns, hun" -Sir Mix Alot, "Baby Got Back"

How refreshing. Thank you for your kind words WA.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Xenolith! I must say I’m impressed with what I read. Good Thread. I’m from India and believe me this place is Big on tantric sex . Well not common among the common people but it is with sadhus and yogis. I’ve met a few yogis on my trips to northern India and I freaked out when I learnt these guys could go at sex for hours. At that time I was young and I wondered how it was possible. I still wonder the same now.

I believe that tantric sex and ancient taoist sex are similar in more than one way, both of them concentrating mainly on full body orgasms induced by the anocoxxygeal muscle while circulating the energy throughout the Body. (Correct me if I’m wrong) Long ago I had, what I think was an full body orgasm induced from the tailbone. Regretfully I never took it seriously and pursued with it cause at that point, I simply didnt know it was possible. I just Ignored it as a routine orgasm from a masturbation session.

Xenolith ! I would like to know more about how you start and proceed with SKF and any pointers you could provide would be greatly appreciated. I Was into edging but I’ve stopped now. I want a better high :-)
BTW I know someone who got into the wrong side of Kundalini. Not a good sight to see. The person looked like he was high on cocaine. Maybe thats why guys who start with it don’t really wanna end it

Chow
GOD

Xenolith! I just read a review about the Book You have mentioned. I’m just considering the bad part of it first because the good part doesnt harm anyways. Read on ..

Reviewer: A reader from Oslo, Norway
When I was fourteen, my father sent me Taoist Secrets of Love. I started to use some techniques, including the microcosmic orbit. At the age of nineteen, I had to start using anti-psychotic medicine. When I was twenty-six I discovered that the microcosmic orbit necessifies precautions and can otherwise lead to dangerous side-effects such as hallucinations. I stopped using the techniques. In the following year I was able to function better socially and could use half the usual dose of the anti-psychotic medicine. However, I had been achieving well intellectually for all those years, and in the year without the techniques those abilities became weaker. Now I am starting over by following every precaution mentioned in Awaken Healing Energy of the Tao when using the microcosmic orbit. I expect the prospect of sanity in addition to the usual good intellectual functioning. Mantak Chias summary of the microcosmic orbit in Taoist Secrets of Love is careless, because it implies that there are no side-effects and no precautions to be taken. Be aware that you must read Awaken Healing Energy of the Tao if you want to use the microcosmic orbit safely.

BTW xenolith have you had any Negative effects of Kundalini?

Chow
GOD

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