Finding xeno: a penis tale

Sorry for the delay TG. Just my opinion, I could be wrong…seems to me that hanging isn’t well suited to the IPR protocol…in the sense that the IPR protocol is about creating a positive feedback loop between discretized (i.e. locally applied) and rapidly applied, stress application to soft tissues (the smooth muscles of the CCs and CS) and hyperplasia of those tissues…while hanging is really about long durations under a tractive stress. IPR and hanging seem incompatible.

Having stated that, the often observed base girth growth from hanging is clearly the result of soft tissue hyperplasia, so, in a way, it seems that hanging has an IPR-like affect with respect to base girth.

Sorry that I don’t have anything more positive to share on the subject of hanging and IPR. My sense is that they can be done in parallel with each other, but that the objectives would be different; lig lengthening with hanging and soft tissue proliferation with an IPR protocol; and in that sense the hanging would complement the IPR soft tissue work, in that the hanging would expose additional soft tissue to work upon. Having stated that, if one were interested in such a plan, I think that judicious use of Sumo Stretches and Bucking Bronco stretches facilitate the lig lengthening objective of hanging but in significantly less time.

Anyhoo, my thoughts.

Great to know MW; thanks for sharing. If you have a pump, I recommend throwing some PEFF style pumping in with your TT work; together they do a great job of stretching the tunica.

Little update:

Bummer man. It’s been 3 weeks since last I-phase work…and no gain. Experience indicates that if there were to be a gain, I’d see it by now. Really can’t complain; holding steady at where I am is A-OK by me. Post mortem indicates not enough rest prior to the last cycle…I only rested for 6 weeks. Perhaps not enough I-phase work too, but probably not…I think that conditioning set in waaay sooner than normal…due to the too short R-phase.

Back at it May 1st or so.

By the way, any of you guys that a build a TT or a TTr, please consider posting photos on the Forum. If you have a progress Report thread, that would be the best place for it, but if not…and you don’t want to start a Progress Report thread…but you should because you’ll grow oodles with those devices!…you can post them in this thread.

xeno

This is interesting, and kind of a weird coincidence as I am about to take a decon break and was planning on coming back and trying a length-centric, hanging based workout, I was thinking of it as being in the IPR vein, but maybe it’s not. Hmmmm. I guess I’m about to have 8 weeks off to figure out a routine/schedule.

I actually thought them incompatible but you spoke so highly of hanging I simply was unsure what to think. As it stands, the standard protocol for hanging like outlined in the 101 thread seems like the ticket. I simply wanted your opinion, as I am familiar with hanging mechanics and your conclusion and mine mirror regarding the forces exerted.

But I wanted to be sure and just gather extra Intel before making a hanging campaign this year. Because it’s the continuous learning that sparks continuous growth in PE or so it seems. I wrote hanging off early in my career. It’s time to go back and give it a fair shake.

Well I know a whole lot more now! :D

And have become even lazier. And more valuing of my time.

Yes, hanging has been good to me, but IPR based work has been better. I think it’s very likely that I never strap on a hanger again.

Maybe I’ll sell my BIB Hardcore…it definitely works well!

xeno

Hey Xeno,

Have you ever used a second clamp while clamping to increase the pressure? Similar to how Aristocane and many others have done. I already use my hand in place of a second clamp, which is tiresome and inconsistent. Did you get good girth results from only a second clamp, or more so when you added several different points of stress (ie multiple clamps)? Also, what is your opinion on how the deformation or the tunica and smooth muscle growing/deforming resulting in an increased girth? Is the tunica stretched, then the smooth muscle slowly accumulates mass to fill out the tunica? I’m very curious since you seem to be very analytical of these things. Thanks again man for taking the time to answer these!

I’ll tell you he’s recently done up to 10 clamps. And he has some very detailed theories on tissue deformation. I suggest reading through his log but xeno usually is kind enough to link posts of relevance to a derailed question like that.

I’m using 2 weeks I phase 1 day on 2 days off followed by 6 weeks R phase.

2 x 8min sets of clamps with multiple clamps up the shaft to generate stress points for expansion at the edge and under the clamps and likewise for the un clamped shaft that is subject to the clamp pressure. In the second clamp set I either remove one clamp to change the spacing to stress different parts of the shaft or in some way move the clamps to achieve the same.

I then follow this with 2 pumping session of 8 min at 10 hg. This does result in fluid build up but it goes within 24 hours or after 20mins of massage. I really want to stretch the expansion work done in the clamping phase.

So after one IPR phase I have equaled or bettered my stuck results that happened for about a year without a decon break. I now enter my second IPR phase and already have .25 cm length gain and some girth but it is hard to tell if it is still some fluid.

Intensity is my question. TG has suggested to keep the intensity within positive PI range, however if I am aiming for Inflammation should I be looking to exceed the point of positive PIs to some degree to make the most of the inflammation in the 2 week time?

So after the first session on my second IPR phase I lost morning wood for two days with it returning on the third when I decided the micro healing was done and time to go again.

I don’t know, other than TG is taking a softer approach for inflammation and I am trying to go harder to maximize the inflammation.

Comments appreciated.

SB

I’m still reading through the thread, it’s probably one of the most dense threads in terms of info. In every long paragraph there’s atleast a few words I don’t know the meaning of. I kind of get the jist of it, but it’s a tough read for me to be honest… But I will see what I can get out of it despite my horrid memory haha!

Read through, so Xeno did use 2 clamps at one point. Couldn’t really tell if that was a big factor in the gains, didn’t see many comments about it. Although he did gain later on. I’ll just assume it worked wonders given where he’s at now, off to multiple clamps!

With that said, I’d recommend not clamping at full erection with multiple clamps. Not to start off with. You still don’t want to hurt yourself. Moderate the time and the intensity till you have a good feel for it.

Yeah I will keep it at around 2 or 3 sets of 10min like usual.

I tried the TT this morning. I have a question. Is it normal to lose your erection while you are in the device. I was using the cable clamp as suggested. Plus the device. But, after each set I was flaccid with maybe 50 to 60% erection level.

Nice!

Yes, it’s normal as one becomes familiar with the device. What you should do to optimize use of the TT is: after clamping off one’s base (and if you have sufficient length, I recommend using 2 in order to distribute the TT induced hydraulic (blood) forces on the…either…clamp or clamps…using two prevents breaking one. So, what’s going on is you’re experiencing venous leakage. The way to avoid that with the TT is to, immediately after clamping off, begin tightening down the proximal (closest to the body) wingnuts; at some degree of tightening of the proximal wingnuts, your CCs and CS will be VERY well closed to venous leakage…not entirely closed, but very close to closed :) . Once one has the proximal wingnuts tightened down…and I’m talkin’ until it gets hard to physically move the wingnuts any tighter…that’s when one should begin to tighten the distal (away from the body) wingnuts. As one does this, one needs to immediately adjust the proximal wingnuts so as to limit venous leakage…as one is manipulating fluid pressure within the CCs and CS at this point…and “releasing” pressure is not helpful.

xeno

Thanks Xeno. That makes sense. I tried to two clamps. But I tightened it down in a “star” pattern like bolting down heads on an engine block. I will bolt down proximally first then distally .