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Finding xeno: a penis tale

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
What size is the font in that hint?


I think I know what you’re referring to Thunder, but in contrast to that, what I’m referring to is the general absence of use of my methods by members.

In that context, my delight at seeing some discussion of my training design method is great.

I’ll read these recent posts when I get a chance and reply as soon as I’m able.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

MM, What do you think of the specific timing suggestions proposed by Xeno? (That is, the unusually long breaks and infrequent PEing.)

Para,
you didn’t ask me, but I’m gonna give my 2 cents anyway.

What I like is the mathematical analysis of his results…to help give him an indication of what to do and when…that’s what I like.

We need to get away from cook book pe and get more science into it if we are ever going to get better, more consistent results for more people.

Xeno has applied his math and engineering knowlege to allow him to get more consistent results….HOORAY!!!

The question is always…are we doing what we think we’re doing as far as proliferation, inflammation and all that….two answers;

1) I doubt it, but something is happening.

2) and most important…WHO CARES!

I was reading the article he refers to on pg 8, and I really wonder if that is what is going on…but there is no way to know for sure without investing several million dollars in a research project.

Personally, I’m happy if it works…we can answer the how later.

I think if Xeno does nothing else but apply some mathematical analysis that enables us to be more efficient in designing a program, and monitoring results…it is wonderful.

That’s why I was thinking about designing a way to measure elasticity vs stiffness…I am looking for a more sensitive way to monitor where we are in the process.

There are many guys that can just tell when its “right”…its wonderful for them, but how do we help the poor bastards that are ready to give up after 3 years of getting nowhere?

That’s why I wrote the PIs, it allows guys to at least avoid the horribly wrong pe routines…if they read it.

I’d love to have some pe computer you stick your dick in, and it prints out your routine for the next week…but that will never happen.

So, we have to all keep experimenting and thinking and discussing, and once in a while one of us comes up with some good stuff.

Together we are slowly moving toward better understanding and better practical applications.

I have high hopes that this is one of those events that will really move this whole thing forward.

Xeno will continue to work on it and report, we can jump in and use it and discuss it and I think this will be really good.

But as always, the proof will be in results and reproducibility.

Originally Posted by Para-Goomba

MM, What do you think of the specific timing suggestions proposed by Xeno? (That is, the unusually long breaks and infrequent PEing.)

I think it is a controversial idea. I don’t know why IPR theory on its own would require that one IPR sequence be carried through to completion before another one is begun. The I, P, and R processes naturally overlap in time. Why can’t we have multiple IPR sequences overlapping in time?

Xeno has identified the negative feedback process as “conditioning.” As I understand it, this happens during remodeling (when softer type III collagen is converted to tougher type I). I don’t know off hand why it would be detrimental to restart the IPR process sooner than he suggests. Perhaps what he’s thinking is that persistent inflammation and proliferation lead to greater productions of Type I collagen (our enemy), whereas a more gradual approach results in less Type I stuff and thus less resistance to future growth.

I think the main idea behind the timing is not to produce growth as quickly as possible, but to stave off conditioning for as long as possible.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 04-01-2006 at .

Originally Posted by sparkyx

What I like is the mathematical analysis of his results…to help give him an indication of what to do and when…that’s what I like.

I think that I personally would have a hard time with this part of it. My size is much too variable over the course of any given day to try to calculate my ideal workout load based on millimeter changes. Literally, I’ve seen my BPFSL change by 1/4” between the time I step into the shower and the time I step out. I think this routine still leaves plenty of room for trial and error.

What I hope to gain from this is not mathematical precision, but general guidelines on how to proceed. I like the notion of 2 weeks on, 4 weeks ADS, and 2 months off (or something like that). If it doesn’t work well after a cycle or two, I can make some adjustments to timing or intensity.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I think the main idea behind the timing is not to produce growth as quickly as possible, but to stave off conditioning for as long as possible.

This has been my idea of using an ADS only along with some moderate jelqing. An effort to prevent tough conditioning and allow a creep effect. Unfortunately, only time will tell. Four months so far, with newbie gains to report only.

Originally Posted by goonbaby

Thank you for sharing…

You’re welcome goon. Thanks for saying so.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

sparky-

Exactly where did you get the idea that I felt unappreciated?

And where did you get the idea that I have an ego so large that I must put it aside in order to help people?


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Xenoliths method works. Like I have said in my progress report; After almost 6 months of 0 gains I took about 1month totally off, did things the xeno-way and got 0,8cm BPEL gain in 17days. That is; 6hours and 40min of total hang time and 25hours of light ads time.

Originally Posted by xenolith

sparky-

Exactly where did you get the idea that I felt unappreciated?

And where did you get the idea that I have an ego so large that I must put it aside in order to help people?
Today 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by xenolith
Modesto, I’m delighted to hear it! And you are most welcome. It seems like I’m talking to a brick wall around here sometimes. It’s very satisfying when someone actually tries the advice that I’ve spent hundreds of hours coming to understand.

Xeno, just reading between the lines in a few places, your frustration that your contributions were largely unused….(the unappreciated thing), if thats incorrect, I ask your pardon.

As I’ve previously stated, I just want to make sure that you didn’t get frustrated and leave as I’ve seen several times before with others.

As far as a large ego…I don’t recall saying that. If that is your understanding of what I said…its a misunderstanding.

None of this was intended as criticism, as a matter of fact, I said it as someone who respects your work here and wished to do what I could to ensure its continuance.


Last edited by sparkyx : 04-01-2006 at .

sparkyx,

I see your PI thread is getting some well-deserved attention today!

Xeno,

I’ve enjoyed reading through this thread. Some very interesting ideas.

Thanks for your kind reply sparky. You’re right, I am often frustrated on the Forum. But not because I feel unappreciated…like I said, that would require more ego than I possess. I do feel underutilized and misunderstood, by lack of use of the hard won insights that I’ve come to understand and then shared with my fellow Forum members in the case of the former and by the relative ubiquity of comments like yours that suggest I have some sort of ego problem in the case of the latter. Thats just isn’t true. Which tends to reinforce my frustration. Which sucks. But I’ll take your other comments regarding the hysteresis effect of group awareness on paradigm shifting to heart. And stick around.

The ego question was prompted by this statement:

Originally Posted by sparkyx
If you really care about us…put your ego aside…


I’m very ego-free. So your statement, which demonstrates being misunderstood yet again, frustrates me. My posts in this thread, and my posts in general, are made to help my fellow members. How the ego of someone who is helping others can be brought up in that context simply evades me.

But be that as it may, I appreciate your comments in your last post, and take them more to heart than the one’s that perplexed me. I’ll write another post that presents my training design method (and less of the methodology of the training design method) in a cleaner fashion. It may need to ride the back-burner a while as I’ve got a mountain of work facing me for the next several months. But I’ll reply to posts concerning it soon.

Thank doubles. More to follow.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Thanks for the thoughtful eulogy MX old buddy, but I’m going to take a reprieve from BDI to some degree in order to try to help our fellow members to plot their course there.

Please continue to monitor this thread and add to it as you see fit.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
The ego question was prompted by this statement:
“put your ego aside”
I’m very ego-free. So your statement, which demonstrates being misunderstood yet again, frustrates me. My posts in this thread, and my posts in general, are made to help my fellow members. How the ego of someone who is helping others can be brought up in that context simply evades me.

Believe it or not, I felt bad for having caused you to feel more frustration, it certainly was the opposite of my intent, as I tried to make very clear…unsuccessfully.

I attribute this misunderstanding to what I meant by ego, as opposed to how you understood it.

By ego, I mean the part of us that gets frustrated, hurt or offended. I simply meant not to let any of that get in the way continuing on to give the best of what you have to offer.

I did not mean to infer that you are some sort of raging ego maniac, acting like you are superior to everyone else…if I thought that was the case I would steer clear of any association with you.

I hope this can put this unfortunate misunderstanding behind us, because I very much look forward to a long, friendly and productive relationship as fellow members of this unique fraternity.

Originally Posted by sparkyx

I hope this can put this unfortunate misunderstanding behind us, because I very much look forward to a long, friendly and productive relationship as fellow members of this unique fraternity.

Consider it done and I do too, respectively.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

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