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My buddy Dr Kaplan

Very informative thread for me. Even though I’ve been here for a while I wasn’t aware of Kaplan and I haven’t studied pumping at all. I somehow knew that pumping was questionable for growth even among some PEers, and Wad’s post has conformed for me what I thought might be the case.

Typo: In my above post “conformed for me” I meant “confirmed for me”.

I was under the impression, pumping like jelqing, causes micro tears, and they form new cells, thus the enlargement. Jelqing seems like pumping to me. With one you have a constant in all of the tissue and considerably higher volume of blood. Are you saying pumping causes no permanent gains? Anyone? The other you force a smaller amount of blood around, same principle for growth. Or so I thought……


All information here is from my cow Bessy. The opinions and posts are hers and not mine. I just do the typing for her because we all know cows cant type. Fieldmouse :iws:

Originally Posted by fieldmouse
I was under the impression, pumping like jelqing, causes micro tears, and they form new cells, thus the enlargement. Jelqing seems like pumping to me. With one you have a constant in all of the tissue and considerably higher volume of blood. Are you saying pumping causes no permanent gains? Anyone? The other you force a smaller amount of blood around, same principle for growth. Or so I thought……

Fieldmouse,

I have to agree with you. It seems like all forms of girth PE have the same basic principle, weather it’s pumping, jelqing, squeezing, clamping, etc. I am not sure how one could say that pumping will never work. Its part of a PE regimine, just like anything else.

I know there are some dedicated pumpers here on this board and I would like to hear their perspective. I pump, have been for a year, but it is not the only PE excercise I do. There was a time when all i did was pump (before finding thunders, etc) and I did have gains with pumping alone. Maybe with “just pumping” it takes more time to cement the gains. There is some excellent advise here, I have learned a lot and now I when I pump, I know I am doing it correctly. This is where I feel many people miss with pumping, they are not doing it correctly and give up to easily.

Heck, if I jelqed for 2 weeks and didn’t get any gains, could I say it didn’t work? Could I say that my “pump” went down right after my routine? This is what happened during my first “newbie” days, but I didn’t stop, i knew i had to invest the time.

Just my 2 cents.


Start: EL: 5.8" EG: 4.8" Current: EL: Approx 7.0" EG: 5.7"

Originally Posted by wadzilla

Pumping, in and of itself, never produces permanent gains. And I’m sure that Kaplan knows this. That he would say that gains don’t continue for more than 10 months is rather disingenuous. Gains don’t continue for more than a few hours, LOL. And the pumping boards I’ve perused (when trying to decide whether to pump or not to pump) all shared the same laments.

Wad,

I don’t agree. The same could be said for jelqing, the gains don’t hold for more than a few hours after exercise. I think the pumping forum here at thunders doesn’t share your laments, or at least that’s not how I interpret them.


Start: EL: 5.8" EG: 4.8" Current: EL: Approx 7.0" EG: 5.7"

Fubar,

I agree too. While pumping does cause a temporary exaggerated size, it seems that the volume of blood pumped in would cause tissue damage and eventually cause gains. Thanks Fubar. Waiting for more feedback positive or negative.


All information here is from my cow Bessy. The opinions and posts are hers and not mine. I just do the typing for her because we all know cows cant type. Fieldmouse :iws:

I bought my first pump from Kaplan, I bought my second one from him as well. I pumped with the same method Kaplan recommended. For at least 5 years, and didn’t see any growth what so ever. Other than temporary inflation.

After I quit pumping my wife said to me “thank God you quit that pump, I hated what that thing did to your dick”. I jelqed for one month and then we had sex (she was out of town). She was amazed, she screamed out “what the hell have you been doing with that thing”.

Vacuum pumping doesn’t put the pressure where you need it. Deep down at the corpus sponges. It might aid with PE as a warming up device, or after jelqing using it as a way of holding the blood in and keeping the semi erection for a extended period of time. But as for growth I have no absolutely no confidence that it will make you grow.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I thought that pumping pulled blood everywhere, including the cs. :confused:


All information here is from my cow Bessy. The opinions and posts are hers and not mine. I just do the typing for her because we all know cows cant type. Fieldmouse :iws:

It doesn’t seem to pull blood deep enough, the blood seems to be on the surface. The pump I get from jelqing and erect squeezes looks completly different from the pumped up erection I get from vacuum pumping.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Deadeye,

I have to disagree. If I took you out into space, and threw you out of the space ship without a suit, you would probably explode, or at least balloon up quite a bit.

Why? Your internal pressures would be much larger than the external pressures, that is…space is mostly a vacuum, therefore very little external forces to counter balance your internal pressures.

Conversely, if I took you and shoved you out of a deep sea sub, at about 1 mile down, you would be crushed. Your internal pressures are far less than required to balance the external pressure.

The forces generated by pumping are internal pressures minus external pressures, produced the the vacuum pump, equalling a net positive outward force.

Blood trapped in the penis during a normal erection ideally produces a hard erection, but not enough to cause expansion beyond its normal limits.

However, if you reduce the external pressures that act against the erection, you get a relative increase of internal pressure. This increased net pressure can be enough to cause expansion.

There are more than a few pumpers who have achieved excellent growth with pumping alone.

Sparkyx

Originally Posted by wadzilla

Using vacuum forces to trap lymphatic fluid into your penis *cannot* produce permanent size increases - not in 10 months or 10 years. The pumpers here who’ve claimed to have gotten permanent gains are quick to point out that they pump in conjunction with regular PE.

Also, Wads lymph comment got me thinking. Although (for me at least) lymphatic fluid lasts about 1.5 days, it would seem at a minimum, over time, it would casuse the skin to stretch. Isnt that the basic idea behind ball sac pumping? Im a confused PE person now. :(


All information here is from my cow Bessy. The opinions and posts are hers and not mine. I just do the typing for her because we all know cows cant type. Fieldmouse :iws:

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Deadeye,
If I took you out into space, and threw you out of the space ship without a suit, you would probably explode, or at least balloon up quite a bit.

Funny analogy. :rolling:


All information here is from my cow Bessy. The opinions and posts are hers and not mine. I just do the typing for her because we all know cows cant type. Fieldmouse :iws:

Nice physics lesson sparky. I don’t disagree with any of it. And obviously I came to the same conclusions you guys have as far as pumping is concerned. The only difference is I tried it for years and it never grew. You have theories and sound arguments, I have field experience and years of the practiced method and no results as far as growth is concerned.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I met Dr. Kaplan at the last AUA meeting and I did not think a lot of him. His booth was right next to ours and I was dissapointed by his presentation and some of the claims he was trying to make.

Some one posted a study here regarding streching connective tissue, I wish I could find that post because it explains the mechanism of action for PE. Short bursts of streching are NOT as effective as longer 20 to 60 minutes of streches. So certain pumping techniques probabley wont be as effective as others.

If anyone saw the study I am referring to please post it in this thread. It was a study using physical therapy to stretch connective tissue and explained the proper methods in good detail.

As to Kaplan, his products were kind of cheesy, there are better companies out there. You may pay more but you have a better company backing it up.

BUT, other than that I dont know a lot about him, nor have I bought a product from him.


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Hey Deadeye,

Yeah, it doesn’t work for everyone…but what does?

The limiting factor in pumping is the small blood vessels, and the lymphatics.

Theoretically, you could generate enough force with a pump that could match most hanging wt, or jelquing force.

The problem is…can your small blood vessels and lymphatic vessels withstand the forces needed to expand YOUR penis.

I think some guys tissues are tougher, and the small vessels cannot withstand the forces needed for deformation (growth).

This probably could be overcome with ADS (all day suction). Alright, I just made up that term (actually I knew one gal….). Seriously, if you had tissues that needed larger forces than your small vessels could tolerate, you could probably overcome the problem with small vacuum forces, but much longer times.

I think success occurs in PE when you stumble onto your particular force requirements without exceeding your own safety factors.

Sparkyx

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