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Remek;Mirror and palpation test

1.What is your LOT?

2.So you definitely palpate along the inward curve?
This may be is the reason, why some people are describing that they are palpating “through” the pubic bone and that they are “inside” the pubic bone, this never made any sense for me. They are all the time at the curve moving with their fingers inwards to their anus, they are always at the curved front face (on the curved bone), they only think or have in mind that they are “inside” the pubic bone. They might think so, because the pubic bone is curved.
Hope you got me. If anything is wrong or makes no sense, please correct me, especially the part following the inward curve to your anus.

3.What do you mean with “perineum” here? Don’t know if you mean pelvis here. A graphic would be great.

4.I also do not know what you mean with “groinal grooves (where the legs intersect with the body)”.
I think this is also debate-able. Can you please provide a graphic or something?

Forgot to ask:

5. I don’t want to be annoying, but what do you mean with abdomen here. It sounds silly, but we have to clarify where the abdomen ends, so we are talking about the same and measuring the same. A graphic would also be good here. It’s clear where the end of the abdomen is, but we have to say it anatomic.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
1.What is your LOT?

My LOT is approx 7:30-8:00.

What is yours?

Originally Posted by SimonClass
2.So you definitely palpate along the inward curve?
This may be is the reason, why some people are describing that they are palpating “through” the pubic bone and that they are “inside” the pubic bone, this never made any sense for me. They are all the time at the curve moving with their fingers inwards to their anus, they are always at the curved front face (on the curved bone), they only think or have in mind that they are “inside” the pubic bone. They might think so, because the pubic bone is curved.
Hope you got me. If anything is wrong or makes no sense, please correct me, especially the part following the inward curve to your anus.

Simon, I’m confused. Can you clarify a bit for me? You shouldn’t be able to feel the inward curve to your anus. I’ll try to explain this as simple as possible. Below the pubic bone is your inner penis. This inner penis go pretty down the pelvic area, inside the perineum (The perineum is the area between the anus and the balls.)

The area that I think you are talking about shouldn’t have a bone in it.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
3.What do you mean with “perineum” here? Don’t know if you mean pelvis here. A graphic would be great.

As mentioned above, the perineum is the area between your anus and your testicles. Read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perineum
There is also a graphic on the article too.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
4.I also do not know what you mean with “groinal grooves (where the legs intersect with the body)”.
I think this is also debate-able. Can you please provide a graphic or something?

Oh, it sure is debatable. All of this is. If you recall, I told you I don’t recommend just doing the mirror test. That’s because I don’t find it completely accurate. It will however, allow you to better understand your exit point and genital placement. By palpating and looking in the mirror (or I suggest a picture), can you not get a better understanding of where your exit point is? Can you tell if its more med/low/high?

I am unable to submit a picture of myself on the net. But if you provide one for me, then I can point out the groinal grooves for you (the way that I see them.)

Unless you would rather me PM you with a few pictures. These would have to stay private, of course.


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Originally Posted by SimonClass
Forgot to ask:

5. I don’t want to be annoying, but what do you mean with abdomen here. It sounds silly, but we have to clarify where the abdomen ends, so we are talking about the same and measuring the same. A graphic would also be good here. It’s clear where the end of the abdomen is, but we have to say it anatomic.

The abdomen ends at the top of the pubic bone. The fundifum ligament actually comes from the lower parts of the abdomen.

http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus392.html

When referring to the abdomen earlier, I was mainly focusing on the quesitons you should ask yourself. Bombard yourself with productive questions.


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Simon,

I did some research and it appears the front face of the pubic bone is approximately .75 inches (maybe a little more or a little less). However, you should be able to feel the entire pubic bone, from top to bottom.

- remek


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Originally Posted by remek
Simon, I’m confused. Can you clarify a bit for me? You shouldn’t be able to feel the inward curve to your anus. I’ll try to explain this as simple as possible. Below the pubic bone is your inner penis. This inner penis go pretty down the pelvic area, inside the perineum (The perineum is the area between the anus and the balls.)

I’m sorry, but I still do not find the bottom of the pubic bone, because I do not know where I should stop to measure. I don’t know if you realized it, but the bottom you are describing has to be at the inward curve, so it’s not the front face of the pubic bone anymore.
The graphic you provided is nice to understand the theory, but practically it’s not a good graphic, because it doesn’t shows what you are feeling when searching for the pubic bone.
Can you give me a skeleton graphic, front view?

Originally Posted by SimonClass
I’m sorry, but I still do not find the bottom of the pubic bone, because I do not know where I should stop to measure. I don’t know if you realized it, but the bottom you are describing has to be at the inward curve, so it’s not the front face of the pubic bone anymore.
The graphic you provided is nice to understand the theory, but practically it’s not a good graphic, because it doesn’t shows what you are feeling when searching for the pubic bone.
Can you give me a skeleton graphic, front view?

Simon, I realize this and more.

I recently had the opportunity to see quite a few skeletons and dissected bodies. This gave me the chance to see the pubic area on a whole new level. I also found some video recordings. When I get the chance I will get them on my computer and send them to you, if you would like.

For now, do a search on google for the skeleton graphic you ask for. There are plenty on the net.


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I’m interested in your video recordings. Write me an pm about this.

I found some graphics on google, please have a look and tell me which area do you mean.

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One thing I want to add, I’m very happy that you are willing to discuss your theory with me and I respect your efforts to write in this thread here.
But there is something which seems strange to me. You were telling us your theory but you never came with any graphic and the more we are talking about this theme, the more I feel that you always change your mind about the test. When I brought the graphic about the x-ray from the pubic bone with the drew in black arrow, you were telling me that this front face is the area which counts for your test. Then I told you that this area can not be bigger than 1.5 inches long, it seemed you ignored my assumption for a couple of days. Then you came back and were telling me, that this front face is only 0.75 inches long. I think this information is correct, my guess of 1.5 inches was a wrong evaluation, that’s true, but it went into the right direction.
Now with your new information in mind, I’m asking me how your test can judge how much lig potential an individual might have, I mean 0.75 inches is not a big distance, especially when you remember my assumption ( you said that I’m right about this!) that it’s absolutely impossible that a penis can sit at the top of the pubic bone. When keeping this in mind, may be the penis is hanging 0.2-0.5 inches below the top of the pubic bone when flaccid, this would mean, that you only have an 0.5-0.3 inch area to palpate.
This makes your test very inaccurate when palpating this area.

For now, I would say this test has no value, may be I’m wrong about this, but like I said before, you are doing nothing to illustrate your theory/test, which I think is very sad. You only gave us some inaccurate information about what we can feel when doing this test without providing any single graphic and it was and still is our job to guess what you are meaning when palpating this area. At the moment I’m feeling like I’m in a panel game or something.
May be I’m wrong, if so, I will say sorry to you, but at the moment I’m thinking that your test makes no sense.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
One thing I want to add, I’m very happy that you are willing to discuss your theory with me and I respect your efforts to write in this thread here.

First, I’ve said this many times, this theory is not mine. I enjoy trying to help you. I’ve pointed out why I think you are having troubles (you are looking for exacts), and thats pretty much all I can do. I explained to you how I found my approximate exit point (again, using tests that aren’t mine). This was all said above:

Originally Posted by myself
I think I understand where you might be having difficulties. You are looking for exacts, and in this case, there surely isn’t any. IMO, these two tests: the mirror test and the palpation test aren’t completely accurate. I can’t see how they would be. Maybe with more experience and time, one individual could know exactly what he is looking for when feeling and looking at the pubic region. But I don’t think thats going to happen. Not to many guys like other men feeling them up.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
But there is something which seems strange to me. You were telling us your theory but you never came with any graphic and the more we are talking about this theme, the more I feel that you always change your mind about the test. When I brought the graphic about the x-ray from the pubic bone with the drew in black arrow, you were telling me that this front face is the area which counts for your test. Then I told you that this area can not be bigger than 1.5 inches long, it seemed you ignored my assumption for a couple of days. Then you came back and were telling me, that this front face is only 0.75 inches long. I think this information is correct, my guess of 1.5 inches was a wrong evaluation, that’s true, but it went into the right direction.

This is a forum. I write articles and I have a free PE site. When I write articles, I try to provide graphics and any other means necessary to get my point accross. When I am talking on the forum I expect some effort on the part of the people I am helping. In this case, I did provide plenty of graphics to help explain my thoughts. I can provide more, if you can help me understand what you are having trouble with. I am very willing to help explain my ideas and my views. As I stated above, I can only speak with MY experience of this test. I know others claim they have accomplished a good accuracy. I think I have too. You obviously have not. Why? Like I stated before, I think you are looking for exacts in a general test. This test is sort of like writing a creative story to test your creativity. The test isn’t exact, but we could get a good idea of how creative you are.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Now with your new information in mind, I’m asking me how your test can judge how much lig potential an individual might have, I mean 0.75 inches is not a big distance, especially when you remember my assumption ( you said that I’m right about this!) that it’s absolutely impossible that a penis can sit at the top of the pubic bone. When keeping this in mind, may be the penis is hanging 0.2-0.5 inches below the top of the pubic bone when flaccid, this would mean, that you only have an 0.5-0.3 inch area to palpate.
This makes your test very inaccurate when palpating this area.

The ligament potential references to LOT theory (and ligament PE theory). Let’s make an assumption that the suspensory ligament is the easiest part of your pelvic area to stretch. Thus, being the easiest way to make gains if you have good lig potential. What decides your lig potential? We aren’t sure, but we can make a good assumption that its your attachment point. Why your AP? Because the higher up it is, the lower it can be stretched. Thus when you have a high AP, you have a bigger area to stretch.

Now, when talking about the .75 inches above, I was talking about the front face. This was my estimation, and this was pretty consistent amongst the bodies I was looking at.

The entire front pubic bone (from the top of the front face to the bottom), was approx 1.5 inches. Again, this was my estimation, but it was pretty consistent amongst all the bodies.

Laterally, the pubic bone seemed to be 1 -1.25 inches across. This again was my estimate. These are all estimates.

I don’t understand where you are getting the .5 - .3 inch area to palpate. Research the pubic symphysis a little more and I am sure you will see that the area has much more than that. Heck, I can feel more than that on my front face.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
For now, I would say this test has no value, may be I’m wrong about this, but like I said before, you are doing nothing to illustrate your theory/test, which I think is very sad. You only gave us some inaccurate information about what we can feel when doing this test without providing any single graphic and it was and still is our job to guess what you are meaning when palpating this area. At the moment I’m feeling like I’m in a panel game or something.

I don’t think any of the information I provided was inaccurate. If it was, I apologize. Everyday I learn more information in my quest for PE knowledge. I learned a lot on my recent experience with the cadavers.

I am sorry you haven’t been able to get a better understanding through our conversations. In actuality, that is what I am aiming for. A better understanding for you, and a better understanding for me. Self improvement.

Besides what I have told you, I don’t know what else to say.

You feel,
You then look in the mirror,
You can then also look at skeleton’s and anatomy dissections (as we have done),
And through all this you should have a good estimate. It’s pre-science.

We have been provided with a puzzle, and like you, I’m just trying to put the pieces together.


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Originally Posted by SimonClass
I’m interested in your video recordings. Write me an pm about this.

I found some graphics on google, please have a look and tell me which area do you mean.

I don’t know about this graphic, but the other two seem accurate.

I don’t know understand by “which area do you mean?” Could you clarify this for me?

I can’t pm you the short videos. They technically weren’t suppose to be taken. Thus, I am not going to upload them here. I can email them to you however. Shoot me an email at


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Originally Posted by remek
In this case, I did provide plenty of graphics to help explain my thoughts. I can provide more, if you can help me understand what you are having trouble with.

Again, I still do not understand what you are meaning with the bottom of the pubic bone. You never came with a graphic to illustrate this to me. When you were providing a graphic, it was only a cross section, and I think cross sections are not good for understanding the problem, they are nice for talking about the theory behind this, but for practical working, they mean nothing.
Frontal pics/graphics are better, because you can better refer it to your own body.

Originally Posted by remek
The test isn’t exact, but we could get a good idea of how creative you are.

I want to this test correct, that’s the reason why I want to do this test as accurate as possible. If I wouldn’t’t do so, this would be cheating and coming to the wrong conclusions.

Originally Posted by remek
Now, when talking about the .75 inches above, I was talking about the front face. This was my estimation, and this was pretty consistent amongst the bodies I was looking at.

The entire front pubic bone (from the top of the front face to the bottom), was approx 1.5 inches. Again, this was my estimation, but it was pretty consistent amongst all the bodies.

Again, this makes no sense to me. In the first paragraph you are saying, that the front face of the pubic bone is 0.75 inches, in the second paragraph you are saying the front face is 1.5 inches. I do not know what you are meaning here. Again, it would be great if you would provide a graphic, where you can show me which “areas” do you mean.

Originally Posted by remek
I don’t understand where you are getting the .5 - .3 inch area to palpate. Research the pubic symphysis a little more and I am sure you will see that the area has much more than that. Heck, I can feel more than that on my front face.

I said this, because you have to realize, that the penis can not exit from the top of the pubic bone, it’s impossible. The penis has to exit a good bit under the top of the pubic bone, if this wouldn’t’t be the case, your penis would fall off. Lets say, when you have a high exit point, your penis sits 0.3-0.5 inches under the top of your pubic bone. This would mean that you only can palpate 0.25-0.45 inches to the bottom of the pubic bone.
This is inaccurate and impossible to do correct. It has more an character of guessing instead of measuring. This guessing is so inaccurate, that you can not get a clue about your lig potential.

Originally Posted by remek
Don’t know understand by “which area do you mean?” Could you clarify this for me?


With “area” I mean the face/surface we are talking about the whole time. The pubic bone, or more specific, the face/surface you think is crucial for this whole test.
Again, you are not bringing a graphic where I can see what you are really meaning. We are moving in a circle all the time and we do not get to the point because you are not illustrating what you are meaning. We can continue this for weeks without any result.
I expected that you would have shown some interest in my last 3 graphics, but it seemed you ignored them. This would have been a good chance for you, to illustrate me what you are meaning with your 2 front faces or 2 parts of the pubic bone front face, but again you are always telling me that I should feel something without explaining me what I should feel.

Again, this is nothing against you. I appreciate all your efforts in this discussion here. Overall I think you are a great guy and I’m still thankful that you helped me with my routine in the past, but here in this thread, I expected more from you.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Again, I still do not understand what you are meaning with the bottom of the pubic bone. You never came with a graphic to illustrate this to me. When you were providing a graphic, it was only a cross section, and I think cross sections are not good for understanding the problem, they are nice for talking about the theory behind this, but for practical working, they mean nothing.
Frontal pics/graphics are better, because you can better refer it to your own body.

I agree with you that frontal pics can be better. But in this case, its hard to tell where the penis lays on the pubic bone without looking at a side view. Unless of course, you have a picture that shows both the pubic bone and the penis from the front. X-rays can’t do this. Only half-xray/half normal pictures would be able to do this. I couldn’t find any of these on the net, so I took two extra measures to further my knowledge:
1) the trip to see the dead dissected bodies
2) I bought an anatomy program that shows the different layers of tissue and bones. This program is very useful. Here is the main site if you are interested: http://www.megasystemsusa.com/

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Again, this makes no sense to me. In the first paragraph you are saying, that the front face of the pubic bone is 0.75 inches, in the second paragraph you are saying the front face is 1.5 inches. I do not know what you are meaning here. Again, it would be great if you would provide a graphic, where you can show me which “areas” do you mean.

The front face was your terminology. Maybe I didn’t understand it correctly, but I figured you were referring to the flat area at the top of the pubic bone. The face is flat, and it is on the front. I attached a picture of what I meant by the front face.

I also attached two more pictures to help explain my reasoning. The pictures are from the program I used.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
I said this, because you have to realize, that the penis can not exit from the top of the pubic bone, it’s impossible. The penis has to exit a good bit under the top of the pubic bone, if this wouldn’t’t be the case, your penis would fall off. Lets say, when you have a high exit point, your penis sits 0.3-0.5 inches under the top of your pubic bone. This would mean that you only can palpate 0.25-0.45 inches to the bottom of the pubic bone.
This is inaccurate and impossible to do correct. It has more an character of guessing instead of measuring. This guessing is so inaccurate, that you can not get a clue about your lig potential.

Why is it impossible for it to sit .1 inches under the top? Or maybe even a bit higher? It wouldn’t fall off. Maybe you mean the ligaments wouldn’t hold it sturdy enough. Even so, .1 inches should be plenty IMO.

I’m not sure how high it can sit, but I’m willing to bet more than you are saying.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Again, this is nothing against you. I appreciate all your efforts in this discussion here. Overall I think you are a great guy and I’m still thankful that you helped me with my routine in the past, but here in this thread, I expected more from you.

I am sorry you feel that way. I’ve provided plenty of pictures. I still will, if you are specific on what you are asking. I can’t help explain my thoughts if you don’t point out where you’re having trouble.

I still don’t know what the problem is. You haven’t explained to me what you do, how you do it, and what you feel. Maybe if you do this I can help you more.

About the expectations part, I apologize. I don’t know what that means, but as you can see I haven’t given up on helping you yet. If that doesn’t exceed your expectations, then I don’t know what will.

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