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Remek;Mirror and palpation test

Originally Posted by remek
I am sorry you feel that way. I’ve provided plenty of pictures. I still will, if you are specific on what you are asking. I can’t help explain my thoughts if you don’t point out where you’re having trouble.

I still don’t know what the problem is. You haven’t explained to me what you do, how you do it, and what you feel. Maybe if you do this I can help you more.

About the expectations part, I apologize. I don’t know what that means, but as you can see I haven’t given up on helping you yet. If that doesn’t exceed your expectations, then I don’t know what will.

With you last posting you did exactly everything what I have expected from you all the time since the beginning of our discussion here. This time you came with graphics everybody can use practically when palpating this area. I asked you all the time to use some drawings like that, so we don’t have to discuss this for hours and nobody knows what the other guy is talking about and wasting our time.
Thank you for this, this helps a lot.
Finally the panel game seems to be over, thank God.

One more question, your drew in all your three graphics a green quad, please clarify again, which area or which green quad shows the potential for lig gains in your opinion, the quad in the first graphic or the quad in the last two graphics?

I want to continue like this:
Please have a look at my skeleton graphics(4 graphics at the end of my posting) and draw your green quad into all of them
(The green quad you think is relevant here, so may be the small one like in your first graphic or the big one like in your last two graphics).
After this I will ask you another question.
Then we can discuss the distance from top to the bottom of the pubic bone, shape and some other figures.
Is it fine with you?

Thanks for all your efforts again; I only had the feeling that we have been treading water and not coming to an result and wasting our time.

Originally Posted by remek
Why is it impossible for it to sit .1 inches under the top? Or maybe even a bit higher? It wouldn’t fall off. Maybe you mean the ligaments wouldn’t hold it sturdy enough. Even so, .1 inches should be plenty IMO.

I’m not sure how high it can sit, but I’m willing to bet more than you are saying.


Can we discuss it later, I think it makes no sense yet.

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Originally Posted by SimonClass
With you last posting you did exactly everything what I have expected from you all the time since the beginning of our discussion here. This time you came with graphics everybody can use practically when palpating this area. I asked you all the time to use some drawings like that, so we don’t have to discuss this for hours and nobody knows what the other guy is talking about and wasting our time.
Thank you for this, this helps a lot.
Finally the panel game seems to be over, thank God.

You’re very welcome. I don’t want you to think I was ignoring your questions/plea for pictures. To be honest, I just got the program I was referring to earlier. This makes it much easier for me to provide graphics because I can move all around the pelvic area to get the snap shot I want.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
One more question, your drew in all your three graphics a green quad, please clarify again, which area or which green quad shows the potential for lig gains in your opinion, the quad in the first graphic or the quad in the last two graphics?

Let me attach another picture. This is going to look very similar to the last picture (but from a different angle). Following LOT theory and ligament theory, its very easy to see that the higher the exit point, the more ligs you have to “stretch” and bring the exit point down.

The picture is color coated and breaks the ligaments down in three areas, from hardest to stretch to easiest.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
I want to continue like this:
Please have a look at my skeleton graphics(4 graphics at the end of my posting) and draw your green quad into all of them
(The green quad you think is relevant here, so may be the small one like in your first graphic or the big one like in your last two graphics).
After this I will ask you another question.
Then we can discuss the distance from top to the bottom of the pubic bone, shape and some other figures.
Is it fine with you?

Sounds good to me. But I want to make it clear that my figures are estimates of the bodies. I have been unable to find any reference to exact estimations of the pubic bones shape and size (but I’m sure I will stumble across it sooner or later.)

Also, on my pictures that I attatched, the pubic symphysis is missing. I don’t know why, but just so you know it is where the two pubis bones unite.

I attached your picture with a similar green box.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Can we discuss it later, I think it makes no sense yet.

Sure. Just to clarify though, I don’t see why the ligaments can’t attach at the top (or nearly the top) of the pubic bone. The fundiform ligament, does in fact come from the abdomen.

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Also, about the palpation test, do you feel your inner penis at all?

Meaning, when you are palpating, you should feel your inner penis twice.

1) You should feel it running down your pubic bone.
2) You should feel it in your perineum.

Do you feel this at all?

When you are feeling undneath your penis, and right above your testes, you should feel the spongy tissue of the inner penis. To clarify this, when you are feeling it, pull your penis outward and you should feel it stretch too.


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Originally Posted by remek
Sure. Just to clarify though, I don’t see why the ligaments can’t attach at the top (or nearly the top) of the pubic bone. The fundiform ligament, does in fact come from the abdomen.

I think we talked at cross purposes again. I will explain it to you later, may be with an graphic.
Sure the ligaments are attached at the top of the pubic bone, may be even higher, don’t want to argue about this, but the penis can not exit at the very top of the pubic bone in my opinion, the penis hangs a little bit lower. It also depends on how you are defining the to top of the pubic bone!It curves inside the body, when you palpating the area when coming from your stomach, you can feel this curve. I don’t think that this curve is relevant, because the penis can not follow this curve,may be the ligs are connected to this part of the pubic bone, but the penis can not sit there, this would mean that the penis exits from the stomach,I hope you know what I mean. My definition (it don’t has to be the right one!), of the top of the pubic bone is the point, when standing upright, who has no curve.
I will provide a graphic after you have drawn the green box in my other three graphics, I promise.

Originally Posted by remek
Also, about the palpation test, do you feel your inner penis at all?

Meaning, when you are palpating, you should feel your inner penis twice.

1) You should feel it running down your pubic bone.
2) You should feel it in your perineum.

Do you feel this at all?

I think so.

Originally Posted by remek
When you are feeling undneath your penis, and right above your testes, you should feel the spongy tissue of the inner penis. To clarify this, when you are feeling it, pull your penis outward and you should feel it stretch too.

I do not know what that means.

Remek, please drew the green box in my other 3 graphics (skeleton), remember that I asked you for this in my last posting, so we can continue with our plan.

Hi remek, one more thing. I read all your postings again and I found something I think we can discuss now, so we don’t have to do it later.

Originally Posted by remek
I first look in the mirror, and see what I can see. How far is my penis down from the abdomen? How close is it to the bottom of my perineum? How is it in line with these “groinal grooves” (where the legs intersect with the body)? I pay close attention to everything and then I begin to feel. I feel (palpate) around, above, and below my penis. By this time I have a basic idea of where my penis is along the pubic bone. I’m not certain, but I know some things:

Thanks again for your link to the wikipedia homepage.
Please can you draw the bottom point of the perineum and also the whole surface of the perineum into my graphic?
Is it oK to say, that the perineum is under the green boxes in our graphics, so basically it’s under the end/bottom of the pubic bone?
Hope you can work on this beside my questions to draw the green box into my other skeleton graphics, so we can move on faster.
Thanks a lot.

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Originally Posted by SimonClass
I think we talked at cross purposes again. I will explain it to you later, may be with an graphic.
Sure the ligaments are attached at the top of the pubic bone, may be even higher, don’t want to argue about this, but the penis can not exit at the very top of the pubic bone in my opinion, the penis hangs a little bit lower. It also depends on how you are defining the to top of the pubic bone!It curves inside the body, when you palpating the area when coming from your stomach, you can feel this curve. I don’t think that this curve is relevant, because the penis can not follow this curve,may be the ligs are connected to this part of the pubic bone, but the penis can not sit there, this would mean that the penis exits from the stomach,I hope you know what I mean. My definition (it don’t has to be the right one!), of the top of the pubic bone is the point, when standing upright, who has no curve.
I will provide a graphic after you have drawn the green box in my other three graphics, I promise.

Why can’t it exit from the very top (or, in my argument, VERY close to the top of the pubic bone)? We already know that there are a few guys with VERY high exit points (nearly up to their abdomen).

Originally Posted by SimonClass
I think so… .
I do not know what that means.

In other words, while feeling your “inner penis,” try stretching your penis as your normally would. See if the “inner penis” stretches with it. If it does, than that is your IP (inner penis.)

With the IP stretched and semi out of the way, you should be able to palpate better.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Remek, please drew the green box in my other 3 graphics (skeleton), remember that I asked you for this in my last posting, so we can continue with our plan.

Simon did you see the graphic that I attached? I drew the green box on the last skeleton picture you listed. I didn’t draw the green box on the other three because they are the same view, the same angle, etc, and I don’t understand the necessity. However, if you want me to draw the green box on all three, I will, for you.


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Originally Posted by SimonClass
Thanks again for your link to the wikipedia homepage.
Please can you draw the bottom point of the perineum and also the whole surface of the perineum into my graphic?
Is it oK to say, that the perineum is under the green boxes in our graphics, so basically it’s under the end/bottom of the pubic bone?
Hope you can work on this beside my questions to draw the green box into my other skeleton graphics, so we can move on faster.
Thanks a lot.

You’re welcome.

I don’t need to draw a green box on this one. The perineum is very easy to see. On the graphic your provided it there is a region called “The deep layer of superficial fascia.” The epidermis (skin), covering this region, and everything below it, is called the “perineum” (aka the sweet spot, the million dollar spot, etc.. for its great pleasure that it can provide men when touched during sex.)

The entire region between your scrotum and anus is the perineum. Again, this region happens to be the “deep layer of superficial fascia” on your graphic.

If you still need me to draw a green box, let me know.


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And to answer your question,

Yes the perineum is under the pubic bone. It is actually perpendicular to it.


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Originally Posted by remek
In other words, while feeling your “inner penis,” try stretching your penis as your normally would. See if the “inner penis” stretches with it. If it does, than that is your IP (inner penis.)

With the IP stretched and semi out of the way, you should be able to palpate better.


Ok, is “inner penis” the part of the penis who travels up the pubic bone and can be released by lig stretching and hanging?

Originally Posted by remek
However, if you want me to draw the green box on all three, I will, for you.

This would be very nice if you can do this.

Originally Posted by remek
The entire region between your scrotum and anus is the perineum. Again, this region happens to be the “deep layer of superficial fascia” on your graphic.

If you still need me to draw a green box, let me know.

Yes, this would be very nice. Please can you do it?

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Ok, is “inner penis” the part of the penis who travels up the pubic bone and can be released by lig stretching and hanging?

Yes, that is the inner penis. It can be seen better from a side angle here: IRcruraAP.JPG

Whether the inner penis can be released through lig stretching and hanging is debatable. Conventional wisdom that has been passed down from Bib and otehres say yes. Furthermore, they say the ligas are the easiest area to stretch. I tend to agree that it is likely that the ligaments can be stretched, but whether they are the easiest of the two (the penis or the ligaments) to stretch is what I’m not sure of.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
This would be very nice if you can do this.

Sure, here they are, attached.

Originally Posted by SimonClass
Yes, this would be very nice. Please can you do it?

This too is attached.

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Now I want to ask you the final question like I mentioned in one of my last postings and also in my pm to you. After this we can discuss the shape and distance of the pubic bone.

Please have a look at the first 2 pages of this thread. I brought an x-ray from a pubic bone. I draw an arrow in this graphic and we both were arguing where the end/bottom of the pubic bone is in this graphic. Please, can you have a look at these graphics again and reread the stuff we were arguing about this. Do you find any mistakes in our discussion and our drawings?
I think we did a mistake and we assessed the area/flat of the pubic bone wrong, may be because of the different angle compared to the other graphics we used and have discussed. When looking at your last green boxes you have drawn into my graphics, I think we did it wrong at the beginning.
Please draw also the green box in the x-ray graphic.

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Thank you again for all your efforts.

Work, work, work, Remek! *cracking whip*…please?

Seems to me like Simon has a little trouble with visualizing three-dimensional objects. Seriously, this is quite easy, Simon, and based on the graphics Remek has provided thus far, you have MORE than enough material. Try using your imagination a little.

The pelvic attachment is sloped down and away from the abdomen. There are ligaments attaching the penile shaft all along the length of pelvic bone.
a) IF the penis exits the body at a higher point (closer to the navel) then the ligaments attached to the pelvis at the highest point with release first and allow more of the inner shaft to become outer penis.
b) If the penis exits the body at a lower point, then there is not as much penis to expose (in theory) regardless of how much the ligaments are stretched.

If you can’t get it, draw yourself a picture and leave poor Remek alone. Better yet, why don’t you come up with a theory of your own? Reading through the two pages of “tennis” you two were playing makes me wonder why you bother. I am all for arguing nuance if the definitions are well understood, but (personally) I would have given up on this exercise long ago. Some get it, some don’t.


"Debate the idea..."

Here is a picture that I think will help.

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Here is the picture.

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