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To ADS or not to ADS

The way I look at it, if there is so much controversy over ADS, and their benefits/shortfalls are so hard to differentiate between, or their is no real evidence to suggest they really work- Fuck them.

There’s enough to this PE stuff without having to wear something on your cock all the time! Come on!


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Originally Posted by shintaro
Keraunophile, judging by your avatar, it would seem your dental brace was, um, somwehat unsuccessful (?)


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Originally Posted by godzila
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Originally Posted by Monty530

My question would be to that statement, what if we are not going for lig lengthening? we all try and focus on fatigue of the ligs, why? As I have mentioned before I think small gains this way is the only gains from ligs.(same gains as from surgery) What if we didn’t’t focus on the ligs but the complete opposite! trying not to hit the ligs putting all the strain on the rest of the shaft, if you stop those ligs getting a GOOD workout then surely there is more strain on the part we want to grow? IMO this is where the real gains possible from PE are. Those tribes men don’t get a 17 inch flaccid by stretching their ligs for example, 10 inches! it just doesn’t make sense, you only have to look at the penis anatomy to see the suspensory ligaments potential, this make sense, to me anyway.


I have a hard time conceptualizing stretching 10inches and not lengthening the ligs. ???

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That is in fact exactly what happens. Why do people continue to suffer sprained ankles , or crutia ligament damage while playing football for example? They heal weaker, never stronger. Hands up those who know someone who have retired from a sport due to a stretched ligament? I know someone who had to stop football and have an op on his knee due to the ligament not holding his knee and connecting bones, (Tibia, Fibulas and the Femur) in place. My friend continues to sprain his ankle at the slightest things.


No one retires from a sport with a stretched ligament. Torn, yes. Stretched No. There are therapeutic treatments for stretched ligaments such prolotherapy where an injection can restart the healing process of a damaged ligament. I have published that artical here on Thunder’s

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I hang heavier than any ADS so this would not be the case for me and many others I feel, and even if I did wear an ADS its not directly hitting the ligs with that kind of weight or angle. I can see the point after surgery because it has been cut and wants to heal, regardless of where it reconnects.


If you were to load up 2 pounds of Rings on your penis and feel the ligs I would dare you to tell me that the ligs are not in the equation. They will be straight and tight.

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This is my routine and I agree with this, this is why I would ultimately wear an ADS.


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I’m not sure if this is the case IMO either. Do you train chest and biceps on Monday and then again on Tuesday and then again on Wednesday etc etc..? NO. My thoughts on this, if your going for initial lig length then I think it would be beneficial to keep it under strain as much as possible, if any ADS do this I would use it. (not sure if they do myself) If your going for the slower process of gaining more penis through the healing of micro tears then shouldn’t we let them heal? If we train it hard then let it rest for a short while, the body starts to heal, before you know it we are tearing apart the new bridges the body has made? You all with me so far? How can this be beneficial? Remember I don’t believe that ligs give that much length if any. I hang every day up til now but I am considering this everyday, with the possible chance of me cutting down to hanging three times weekly, with good nutrition in between. (I’m talking trying to promote growth (protein, vitamins) not a low fat fad diet keeping the weight down nutrition)


Trying to equate muscles and penile tissues is an apples and oranges argument. They heal differently and don’t stretch the same either. If you think that healing is not a factor in ligament strength then you don’t need an ADS.

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Bottom line I’m not convinced ADS are of any benefit but I’m not here to change your beliefs but to play devils advocate.


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Originally Posted by d_sut

The way I look at it, if there is so much controversy over ADS, and their benefits/shortfalls are so hard to differentiate between, or their is no real evidence to suggest they really work- Fuck them.

There’s enough to this PE stuff without having to wear something on your cock all the time! Come on!

I love this post. I’m not sure you’re right, but I love the attitude.

My feeling is, if an ADS fits into your lifesyle, then, great. Wear one. Otherwise, see whether you can gain without one and save yourself the trouble.


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Originally Posted by godzila
Question time:

Q: Do you use an ADS?
Q: If yes which one?
Q: If yes for how long?
Q: If yes what is your routine?
Q: If yes what are your results?
Q: Do you think the ADS helped with gains

Q: If no why not?
Q: If no have you ever?
Q: If no what is your routine?
Q: If no what are your results?
Q: If no would you consider an ADS?

Two sets of questions for the wearers and the non wearers.

Please help me and the others interested determine if ADS are worth using.

Look forward to your replies, I expect a slating from some, but I know there are people who don’t use them. Myself I am undecided for now….

Anyone care to answer the above?

I use a suckxtender - a homemade stretcher with vacuum attachment. Apart from a few 10 mins jelq/stretch a week it is my only PE. The results in hours worn and BPFSL are in the attachment below. BPEL will next be measured in Feb although I’m sure any increase will not be as great as the BPFSL increase.

39 week suckx progress.PDF


Feb 2004 BPEL 6.7" NBPEL ???? BPFSL ???? EG 5.65" Feb 2005 BPEL 7.1" NBPEL 5.8" BPFSL 6.9" EG 5.8" Feb 2006 BPEL 7.3" NBPEL 5.8" BPFSL 7.6" EG 5.85" Feb 2007 BPEL 7.3" NBPEL 5.8" BPFSL 7.5" EG 5.9"

Mbuc, your graph is great nice work, I have a few comments. Your results are either by the total hours of ADS, or due to the stretch a few times a week or a combination of both. I assume you added the last part jelq/stretch a few time a week to show you do some but nothing much, I am coming to the conclusion that less is more. Are you doing what is needed to grow whilst stretching/jelqing then leaving it enough time to heal and grow, or does the extender do all the work, or a combination of the both? Its a shame for the purpose of this thread that you do both because there is no conclusive experience to what has triggered your growth, but of course we all do almost everything we can in the effort to gain, so no one serious of gaining in a shortest period of time (unless experimental) would do this.

These traction devices sold on the net, even though very cheesy do sound like they can do what they say, but as you know it is very slow but supposedly continual progress, but is it necessary if your hanging a somewhat heavier weight than any traction/ADS device for maybe an hour plus a day?, I don’t know. Unlike the traction devices hanging has no medical studies what so ever (as far as I know) so we are all in new territory here. Knowledge/experience and gains to back it up are the only way we can get anywhere near knowing what is truly needed to gain.

Thanks for all your comments so far, although more ADS wearers have answered so far does that mean they are right? maybe…

If you haven’t yet and are interested in putting across your opinion, please do, the more the merrier.


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"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

Originally Posted by Monty530
I have a hard time conceptualizing stretching 10inches and not lengthening the ligs. ???

So you agree that there is other growth to be had other than ligament stretch? I’m sure the suspensory ligament and other supporting ligaments have stretched, but only a very small amount in comparison to the example of 10 inches I used on those tribes men, I don’t mean to sound argumentative but have you seen the suspensory ligament shape and how it attaches to the pubic bone and penis? Surely there is a limit it can be stretched. (why is it the surgery can only get at best 1” out of cutting it completely and that’s according to web sites only in the flaccid state, is this the only gains from lig stretching?)

Originally Posted by Monty530
No one retires from a sport with a stretched ligament. Torn, yes. Stretched No. There are therapeutic treatments for stretched ligaments such prolotherapy where an injection can restart the healing process of a damaged ligament. I have published that artical here on Thunder’s

I’m sure there are ways of helping the healing of ligaments in all areas of the body, but once they become loose these people effected have to retire from the sport (at least for the operation or treatment, which can take how long?) Lots of people retire from their sport this way (I’m not talking about millionaire sports players, but they are out of action for some great deal of time and even if they return they wont take off where they left, which may result in them retiring anyway) especially average Joe Sunday league football player.

Originally Posted by Monty530
If you were to load up 2 pounds of Rings on your penis and feel the ligs I would dare you to tell me that the ligs are not in the equation. They will be straight and tight.

I’m sure they do come into play, but if you think like I do that ligaments have limited growth (normally gained if at all very early on in the PE career, newbie gains) and also believe that the main growth is through the breaking down of the penis soft tissue and then repairing them, then hitting ligs has nothing to do with anything anymore, as I said before this is just taking the strain off the penis and putting it onto the ligaments, where IMO I feel it is being wasted.

Originally Posted by Monty530
Trying to equate muscles and penile tissues is an apples and oranges argument. They heal differently and don’t stretch the same either.

Says who? Apples and oranges are both fruit, in that way they are similar, everyone knows they are not the same but the human body wants to repair damage, that is what it will continue to do should it sustain damage in any form.

Originally Posted by Monty530
Why? Facts are facts For those who have plateau’d, sa la gare

Let me rephrase the comment I made which lead you to reply as above.
Bottom line I’m not convinced ADS are of any significant benefit, especially if you hang with a decent weight, however there is research out there on small weight traction which seems to work for the majority of participants with dedication and most importantly all the time in the world, under doctor supervision. Apart from dedication I for one don’t have those luxuries, and even if I did would I?

If anyone else would like to comment on the ADS topic or the above, please post, every little helps.


"If your not growing your dying"

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

Originally Posted by godzila
Q: Do you use an ADS?
Q: If yes which one?
Q: If yes for how long?
Q: If yes what is your routine?
Q: If yes what are your results?
Q: Do you think the ADS helped with gains

Q: Do you use an ADS?
Yes

Q: If yes which one?
Homemade. Noose/bungee style attached below knee and above ankle. I know that the noose style has a bad rep but mine does not cause the problems most people associate with this style of ADS.

Q: If yes for how long?
3 sets. Total 4-5 hrs per day.

Q: If yes what is your routine?
Wear the ADS as long and often as possible. I do not use much tension. Only enough to put a mild strain on the ligs and tunica. I wear it in a straight down orientation.

Q: If yes what are your results?
It is impossible for me to say because I hang, stretch, jelq, and pump. I am a very slow gainer. I am lucky to gain 1/2” BPEL in a year. I have also learned that I can lose length if I stress my tissues too much so I am in the camp that believes using the lightest weight that produces fatigue for the longest time is the most efficient way for me to gain.

Q: Do you think the ADS helped with gains
Yes. Especially my flaccid gains. I have read a lot about how ligaments heal. I have studied micrographs of ligaments which have been strained at different amounts. I think that overly stressed tissues react differently than mildly stressed tissues. Overly stressed tissues retract in a “survival mode”. They will heal that retracted and become stronger quicker. I believe that this inhibits gains over the long run. If you have not experienced retraction then maybe you have a different physiology than I do. I share the same opinion as ModestoMan that keeping tension on the ligaments during the remodeling phase will provide the best oportunity for the ligaments to heal in a lengthened state.

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OK I’m outa here. When for the sake of argumentation silly logic and obviously false conclusions are used, I’m done. Carry on but lets not lead people astray from reality


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Here’s my tired as shit contribution: IPR Theory. Injury, Proliferation, Remodeling. Hang to injure. ADS to proliferate (i.e. grow). Leave it alone to remodel.

I could elaborate, but I’m tired as shit. Here’s a link to read instead. I will point out that the R phase is long, 6-8 weeks to several months. One can use use micro IPR Theory, on the order of a day to several days, but in accordance with IPR Theory proper (macro IPR), after something like 10-14 days of whatever PE work (read:injury) we do, type III collagen is beginning to be replaced with type I collagen, and type I collagen is tough. Too tough to strain by PE methods, ask me I know. When one attempts PE after this point, more type I collagen is secreted as a result, causing tissue strengthening beyond which the body would normally produce. Not good. However, an ADS used at low-moderate tension may allow extended proliferation to occur, i.e. type III collagen stress regimes to exist, within which extended proliferation (i.e. distraction histogenesis) can occur. That’s the hypothesis I’ve tested, my results are consistent with the hypothesis.

Anyhoo, yea, I like ADS for both micro and macro P phase work. But its effective use is predicated on the use of strategic injury, appropriate stress levels and much rest after its use. Basically, in accordance with IPR Theory, and IMO, as PE practitioners, we should be PD (Penis Deconditioning) practitioners for most of any year that we’re seeking gains in. This is not a popular idea around here.

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Godzila,

I completely agree with you that the ligs present very limited growth potential. I think that a strong focus on the ligs misses the fact that the penis’ primary attachment to the body is not the suspensory ligament but where the crura attach to the ischiopubic rami.

However, I was kicking around an idea for a while that lig stretching actually causes the shaft to grow in a region directly under the pubic bone. About a year ago, I found a scientific paper that explained that the fibers of the suspensory ligament run parallel to and actually blend into the fibers of the tunica. The two structures are essentially fused together over about a 1” length. I think it’s possible, then, that the focus on the ligs may not be totally misplaced, because stretching the ligs may also stretch the shaft, since they are essentially the same structure—at least over part of their length.

Moreover, the strongest part of the tunica is the “dorsal thickening.” A length of this structure is what fuses with the susp. lig under the pubic bone. Thus, stretching the susp. lig. may focus stress on this strongest part of the tunica. Not a bad thing.


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[QUOTE=godzila]
Question time:

Q: Do you use an ADS?
I have.
Q: If yes which one?
Jes Extender
Q: If yes for how long?
On Off since FEB 2005
Q: If yes what is your routine?
Was about 2hrs a day
Q: If yes what are your results?
About a half inch
Q: Do you think the ADS helped with gains
Yeah.

I could have been a lot more consistant with it if I could have stood the pain and didn’t have a vesectomy. The noose on my extender was very uncomfortable. I plan on buying Monkeybars’ modified head for my Extender. I just got my auto ADS today and will start wearing it tonight when I go to work. I’ll keep results posted.


If you stretch it, it will grow. If you clamp it, she will know.

Originally Posted by xenolith
[…] However, an ADS used at low-moderate tension may allow extended proliferation to occur, i.e. type III collagen stress regimes to exist, within which extended proliferation (i.e. distraction histogenesis) can occur. That’s the hypothesis I’ve tested, my results are consistent with the hypothesis.

I like the idea of riding out the proliferation phase. What kind of program do you suggest? One week heavy, six weeks ADS, two months nothing, then repeat?


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I walked right into that didn’t I? I really don’t know what’s optimal. My best guess is that about 10 days of morning heavy hanging, followed by ADS use for the remainder of the day and rest at night, followed by about 4-6 weeks of all day ADS use, followed by about 2-3 months of decon would be the most reasonably achievable configuration for a length gains campaign.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

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